Gtx 780 lightning (HWC)

[wand3r3r]

A sweet card but seems overpriced (well the 780 itself is too). This and the classified are the two finest cards atm IMO.

I'd love ramping up the clocks on this card.

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...views/63200-msi-gtx-780-lightning-review.html

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Jesus, 50% faster than GHz in Crysis 3 with the OC... I know it's not a far comparison, but thats like a 1600MHz 7970.

 

[RadiclDreamer]

Very overpriced indeed!

 

[blackened23]

I think it's a great card. I don't think it's 70$ better than the classified, however. If I were buying a brand new 780 now it wouldn't be the Lightning - and that pains me because i'm a longtime fan of the Lightning series. The price is just too high this time around.

 

[YBS1]

It's not even that the price is higher as I'm guessing the lightning is still probably a better "built" card than the Classified (Cooling solution, etc.). It's just that it doesn't seem to be materializing into any tangible benefit. The Classifieds are clocking as good or better, and you at least have a chance with the Classified to get the Samsung memory, not so with the Lightning.

 

[RussianSensation]

Jesus, 50% faster than GHz in Crysis 3 with the OC... I know it's not a far comparison, but thats like a 1600MHz 7970.

You realize you are comparing a max overclocked 780 to a stock 7970Ghz? The performance advantage once 780 is overclocked is good but once you overclock the 7970Ghz, you still end up near 35-40%, not 50% on average. Looking at TR in the same review, a max overclocked 780 is 37% faster than a stock 7970GE. For that 35% increase OC vs. OC you pay $770 USD and 7970 1Ghz cards are going for $280. In summary you pay 2.75x more for a 35% performance increase. This is the worst pricing disparity between AMD and NV in ages. I can't blame NV for their pricing though since people keep buying their cards. Market ultimate determines pricing I suppose.

P.S. I wouldn't pay extra for this Lightning over the Galaxy HOF/Classified.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Yes I know RS.

Phased out slower cards better value than king of the hill, this is history in the making.


Still playable vs unplayable has to be worth something, I need two 7950s to play it at Ultra+SMAA2 on 1080p.

 

[brandonmatic]

You realize you are comparing a max overclocked 780 to a stock 7970Ghz? The performance advantage once 780 is overclocked is good but once you overclock the 7970Ghz, you still end up near 35-40%, not 50% on average. Looking at TR in the same review, a max overclocked 780 is 37% faster than a stock 7970GE. For that 35% increase OC vs. OC you pay $770 USD and 7970 1Ghz cards are going for $280. In summary you pay 2.75x more for a 35% performance increase. This is the worst pricing disparity between AMD and NV in ages. I can't blame NV for their pricing though since people keep buying their cards. Market ultimate determines pricing I suppose.

P.S. I wouldn't pay extra for this Lightning over the Galaxy HOF/Classified.

To be fair, shouldn't we compare a Lightning 780 to a Lightning 7970ghz? The latter currently retails for $450.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814127736

I understand that your point stands when comparing a non-premium 780 to a non-premium 7970, but the higher-priced "premium" cards should probably be compared to each other. If anything, the more compelling point here may be how expensive the premium cards can be within any given card line - and how particularly overpriced they are on older card lines.

 

[SolMiester]

Most cars can do 200km/h, but to get the another 100km/h, you pay more than double the price of the first car..../silly comparison, but same sales pitch eh?..LOL

 

[RussianSensation]

Still playable vs unplayable has to be worth something, I need two 7950s to play it at Ultra+SMAA2 on 1080p.

7950s were going for $280-300 10 months before 780 launched. There is no point in comparing 7950s at $600 that you probably paid for them vs. 780 when now you can get 7970s for less than $600.

Most cars can do 200km/h, but to get the another 100km/h, you pay more than double the price of the first car..../silly comparison, but same sales pitch eh?..LOL

Worst analogy ever. Driving at 200km/h vs. 100km/h saves you half of your time. Time is money. Time is the most valuable thing in life. In this case if you overclock 7970, your 780 might net you 1-2 extra settings in Crysis 3 and you pay $490 extra for that. Also, this is the most overpriced an NV's flagship card has been vs. AMDs in the last 6 years I remember.

Let's put this in perspective, 5870 destroyed 285 by 45% at 1920x1200 8AA and by 35% at 1600P with no overclocking. For that, AMD asked a $20 premium. Now NV is asking $490 premium for the same performance increase in Crysis 3. Thanks for the flawed comparison of premium part pricing though. I guess when NV launches a card that beats AMD's, they are free to charge $400-500 more because "premium products can be priced at anything". I guess I shouldn't expect anything different from you always singing the NV tune regardless how awful their pricing gets.

 

[3DVagabond]

Most cars can do 200km/h, but to get the another 100km/h, you pay more than double the price of the first car..../silly comparison, but same sales pitch eh?..LOL

The car that's 100KM/H faster actually costs disproportionately more to build. It's not just simply paying more because it's faster.

 

[Jaydip]

@ RS "Let's put this in perspective, 5870 destroyed 285 by 45% at 1920x1200 8AA and by 35% at 1600P with no overclocking" you can't really compare node jumps.NV did a very good job with 780 compared to what they did with 580.580 was ~15% faster than 480 while 780 is ~30% faster than 680.I agree with the price point though.

 

[wand3r3r]

@ RS "Let's put this in perspective, 5870 destroyed 285 by 45% at 1920x1200 8AA and by 35% at 1600P with no overclocking" you can't really compare node jumps.NV did a very good job with 780 compared to what they did with 580.580 was ~15% faster than 480 while 780 is ~30% faster than 680.I agree with the price point though.

780's successor is the 580 and its an impressive leap from that. The 680 isn't the "designed" successor, only the marketed one.

 

[SolMiester]

The car that's 100KM/H faster actually costs disproportionately more to build. It's not just simply paying more because it's faster.

Thats right, its the R&D, the cutting edge!....best components, manufacture, testing...the ceiling in any performance metric is always expensive!...the real question is do all of us need it?...

 

[3DVagabond]

Thats right, its the R&D, the cutting edge!....best components, manufacture, testing...the ceiling in any performance metric is always expensive!...the real question is do all of us need it?...

Designing it aside, the BoP is probably 2x or more higher. Everything from tires to suspension, brakes, chassis, transmission, strength and size of engine and drivetrain components, and so forth has to be better/stronger, ie more expensive. Plus there's this thing called aerodynamics that comes into play. Drag doesn't increase linearly. To go from 200KPH to 300KPH takes more than 50% more power.

 

[SolMiester]

Designing it aside, the BoP is probably 2x or more higher. Everything from tires to suspension, brakes, chassis, transmission, strength and size of engine and drivetrain components, and so forth has to be better/stronger, ie more expensive. Plus there's this thing called aerodynamics that comes into play. Drag doesn't increase linearly. To go from 200KPH to 300KPH takes more than 50% more power.

Yes, I am aware of all of that and the reason I bough it up...the pinnacle of now at the ceiling, be it automotive or node will always be disproportionate to the price, especially when there is no equal.
Well, anyway, that's the way I see it....AMDs impending release will surely remove the later and I expect the premium will reduce until the next.

 

[Erenhardt]

Yes, I am aware of all of that and the reason I bough it up...the pinnacle of now at the ceiling, be it automotive or node will always be disproportionate to the price, especially when there is no equal.
Well, anyway, that's the way I see it....AMDs impending release will surely remove the later and I expect the premium will reduce until the next.

Can you please stop off-topic about HD7990. This is nvidia thread!