GTX 690 or GTX Titan?

[Thebrave246]

I currently own an EVGA GTX 690 and with the release of the Titan, I am intrigued to say the least. A very powerful single GPU solution that's almost the performance of my dual-gpu card. Would it be worth it to switch to a titan? They overclock well? Maybe wait for a factory overclocked version from ASUS, MSI or EVGA?

 

[VulgarDisplay]

Stick to the 690.

 

[aaksheytalwar]

If you face ms then go titan else it is a degrade.

 

[SirPauly]

Depends what your preferences are based on both have different strengths!

 

[blackened23]

If you face ms then go titan else it is a degrade.

Nope, SLI has better frametime latency than single card, haven't you heard? Just view the benchmarks of Titan at tomshardware. SLI is what you get when you want to AVOID microstutter. 690 is better than Titan, period.

Titan has worse 95 percentile frametime latency than 690. Terrible. SLI = no microstutter. Everything you've been told or is even logical is wrong, frametimes are the ultimate metric of performance and SLI wins bigtime. Oh, please don't question frametimes, we've read a gabillion posts from the undercover nvidia PR crew about how great and perfect it is. Therefore, we have learned that there is absolutely no reason to get Titan over SLI.

So even Titan has worse latency than 690. The reasons for getting Titan at the same price as a 690 or 680 SLI are as follows:











.

 

[BrightCandle]

Those Toms results are garbage. As I explained when they first appeared here those summary graphs don't say what Toms thinks they do, they are misleading at best and just downright wrong. Yet again Tom's proves they don't know anything about graphic cards or frame times.

PcPerspective and techreport both have decent reviews with well thought through results that are helpful in painting these cards in comparison without the epic failure graphs of Toms.

I think this is a really tough question, the 690 regularly does have better performance without a doubt, but the titan is more consistent and in some games that makes a big difference, whereas in others it makes none at all and the card is just slower. With 2x680's I am in a similar position, not entirely sure if one or even two titan's is a worthwhile upgrade/downgrade to get smoother more consistent frames.

 

[jacktesterson]

Nope, SLI has better frametime latency than single card, haven't you heard? Just view the benchmarks of Titan at tomshardware. SLI is what you get when you want to AVOID microstutter. 690 is better than Titan, period.

Titan has worse 95 percentile frametime latency than 690. Terrible. SLI = no microstutter. Everything you've been told or is even logical is wrong, frametimes are the ultimate metric of performance and SLI wins bigtime. Oh, please don't question frametimes, we've read a gabillion posts from the undercover nvidia PR crew about how great and perfect it is. Therefore, we have learned that there is absolutely no reason to get Titan over SLI.

So even Titan has worse latency than 690. The reasons for getting Titan at the same price as a 690 or 680 SLI are as follows:











.

As much as I'd love to believe this, I have my doubts, especially with the source being Tom's too.

That being said, If you already have a 690, stick with what you have.

 

[fixbsod]

690

 

[blackened23]

Those Toms results are garbage. As I explained when they first appeared here those summary graphs don't say what Toms thinks they do, they are misleading at best and just downright wrong. Yet again Tom's proves they don't know anything about graphic cards or frame times.

PcPerspective and techreport both have decent reviews with well thought through results that are helpful in painting these cards in comparison without the epic failure graphs of Toms.

I think this is a really tough question, the 690 regularly does have better performance without a doubt, but the titan is more consistent and in some games that makes a big difference, whereas in others it makes none at all and the card is just slower. With 2x680's I am in a similar position, not entirely sure if one or even two titan's is a worthwhile upgrade/downgrade to get smoother more consistent frames.

Nice attempt at a super vague explanation as to why Toms charts are "garbage" without even explaining a valid reason. But since you mention PCPer, we'll go with it:

Since frame time are the ultimate metric for card comparisons, here we see without exception that SLI is better than single card and provides a superior experience with less microstutter. Titan has more microstutter than both 680 sli and GTX 690.

Thanks for proving my point BC. Even PCPerspective agrees that SLI has less microstutter than single card, single card sucks. Ironically enough, their results agree with the results at tomshardware: good luck trying to explain that one. Are PCperspective garbage now?

I'll let you stumble over trying to explain how SLI has less microstutter than single card. Go for it.

 

[blackened23]

PcPerspective and techreport both have decent reviews with well thought through results that are helpful in painting these cards in comparison without the epic failure graphs of Toms.

Quoting this :whiste: Now, lets look at how the GTX 690 *and* GTX 680 clobber the Titan in both framerates *and* both have less microstutter than the Titan:

Remember, this is the performance metric that you and the PR crew shoved down our throats. Now you're stumbling for an explanation.

Remember, you're the one shoving this nonsense down our throats about how frametimes are the ultimate performance metric. Well guess what. You've just proven that Titan is inferior to the 690 in every way - including microstutter (690 has less) and framerates. Thank you.

680 SLI owners rejoice that you can enjoy less microstutter than a single Titan provides. Without spending a grand on a ripoff card.

 

[moonbogg]

Either I am blind or my sli cards don't have microstutter. Which is it? Games appear crystal clear and smooth almost always, and when they aren't its not a bunch of little stutters that I see. Its usually good old fashioned driver issues or LAG

 

[blackened23]

Either I am blind or my sli cards don't have microstutter. Which is it? Games appear crystal clear and smooth almost always, and when they aren't its not a bunch of little stutters that I see. Its usually good old fashioned driver issues or LAG

Moonbogg, the PR crew shoved frame time down our throats. Therefore, we must go along with it. Also I agree with you: I don't have any games on my lightning 680s that ever stutter.

680 SLI is just superior to Titan in every way. We made the right choice brother. Don't get a Titan for more microstutter.

 

[SirPauly]

nVidia admits that more work needs to be done --- they desire to smooth out the CPU spikes!

 

[f1sherman]

@blackened23

Dial down irony a bit, because it's getting mixed with the point you're trying to make.
If you don't see that Titan provides more consistent frametimes, thats too bad.
It's right under your nose

Furthermore it's impossible to tell much about (micro)stuttering from those charts, because MS is local phenomena, and these charts are overall aggregates.

Not to mention some of them are plain wrong

 

[moonbogg]

Moonbogg, the PR crew shoved frame time down our throats. Therefore, we must go along with it. Also I agree with you: I don't have any games on my lightning 680s that ever stutter.

680 SLI is just superior to Titan in every way. We made the right choice brother. Don't get a Titan for more microstutter.

I believe you, but I almost sense sarcasm. I am starting to think that due to all of this talk about microstutter that I must suffer from it even if I don't notice it. So, that said, how can I solve my newfound microstter problem? I'm sure if I could detect it that it would really bother me, so help please.

 

[blackened23]

I believe you, but I almost sense sarcasm. I am starting to think that due to all of this talk about microstutter that I must suffer from it even if I don't notice it. So, that said, how can I solve my newfound microstter problem? I'm sure if I could detect it that it would really bother me, so help please.

In all seriousness - I don't get microstutter either. Others are telling us that we should be getting MS from SLI and a single card solution is "superior". (their words, not ours!)

It has been smooth sailing, literally and figuratively using SLI on my end. However, that being said i've read pages upon pages of people suggesting Titan over the GTX 690 and 680 sli because Titan has less microstutter. Apparently, that isn't the case according to frametime graphs?::shrug:: So this just makes one question any justification for Titan over 690 or 680 sli - there's no justification in terms of microstutter, price, or framerates; 680 sli and 690 are better in all three areas.

 

[moonbogg]

In all seriousness - I agree with you moonbogg. I don't get microstutter either.

It has been smooth sailing, literally and figuratively. However, that being said i've read pages upon pages of people suggesting Titan over the GTX 690 and 680 sli because Titan has less microstutter. Apparently, that isn't the case according to frametime graphs?::shrug:: So this just makes one question any justification for Titan over 690 or 680 sli - there's no justification in terms of microstutter, price, or framerates; 680 sli and 690 are better in all three areas.

Ah, I got ya. IMO there is no justification for the price no matter what. That video card is a throw away product that will start sucking in 18-24 months. When I spend $800-$1000 on a graphics setup, it is to get much higher performance than is possible from any single card. Titan makes doing this absolutely insane at $2000. Cards get replaced too often for that kind of price IMO of course.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

It's funny to see people talking about things they don't understand.

 

[hjalti8]

pretty rare cases i guess, but it looks like the 690 isnt guarenteed to deliver better frame times(if fraps record what you actually see):

source

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Nope, it's all about drivers. And sometimes it could be other things, like at triple screen resolutions 2GB in some more intensive titles could be texture trashing.

 

[notty22]

pretty rare cases i guess, but it looks like the 690 isnt guarenteed to deliver better frame times(if fraps record what you actually see):



source

That is usually the case, within the same manufacturer, Nvidia in this case. A single gpu will almost always have better frame times than multi-gpu. Even if there is no noticeable stutter to the end user in either case. I think there is some incorrect sarcasm being spread around. There are always outlier cases that show different than normal.

 

[wand3r3r]

This is hilarious to follow. Cat got your tongue BC?

Let's see what the team can come up with next.

 

[Jacky60]

Neither my 6990's piss all over them!

 

[DooKey]

The only reason you should switch would be to go Titan SLI. Sell your 690 to offset the cost. If you want to try your hand at quad SLI then spend the same money and buy another 690.

 

[lavaheadache]

those frame time charts aren't about showing microstutter. You would have to have a frame by frame comparison, not just the average. A graph showing averages might as well just give you fps because they are nearly one in the same.