GTX 670 or GTX 660TI For BF3 ?????

[bunnyfubbles]

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if i can choose ... why not ^^ ?


and one more thing .... i think that will be better if they don't touch bit rate and just cut 1 more smx ....



i mean gtx 660 Ti is 1344 shaders and 192 bit .....

1152 shders with 256 bit will be better i think

While it has been pretty obvious that the shaders really aren't that important as evident by 670 vs 680, I'd wager the lack of ROPs hurts just as much if not more than lack of bandwidth; people tend to forget we're looking at 24 vs. 32 ROPs with the 660Ti vs 670/680, not just 192bit vs 256bit.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Gigabyte Windforce 3x GTX670 for $374 after $15 OFF coupon code TECH101. No BL2 though.

good deal, although I ended up grabbing the windforce3x off of newegg ($399 shipped free) because of BL2 bundle (game is definitely worth more than this $25 difference IMO, although if one already preordered it... )

what sold me most was the 670's stock performance plus the windforce's very low idle noise should go well in my gaming oriented HTPC

 

[poohbear]

poohbear

but can it own AA well ? hm idk ... even 192 GT/s was not so impressive for me and now isee 144 GT/s meh .. idk ...


it's hard to choose cause i have 1080P resolution .... cause if i have had 1600P i will go for 670 for sure

an overclocked 660ti performs on par with a GTX 670. Its a no brainer, go with a 660ti, overclock it, and save yourself the money!

 

[poohbear]

Battlefield 3
DX11
Ultra mode
4x MSAA enabled
16x AF enabled
HBAO enabled
Level: Operation Swordbreaker

Just remember that this is single player. In multiplayer with a crowded server these FPS numbers will be much lower and the FPS impacted by your CPU quite a bit.

dude u keep harping about this CPU limitation in BF3 MP all the time, but i'm sorry when i upgraded i did NOT notice any difference in performance in CPUs going from a 3.8ghz PhenomII x1100t to a 4.4ghz 2500k. NOT, ONE, SINGLE, FPS, DIFFERENCE, IN, MULTIPLAYER. the CPUs performed exactly the same. Its all about the graphics card and i could careless what the benchies say i experienced it firsthand and made sure i tested both with FRAPS on the same server with 64 players. Once all the eye candy is turned on (AA, AF, & HBAO) @ 1080p, the cpu is NO longer a factor.

 

[hokies83]

an overclocked 660ti performs on par with a GTX 670. Its a no brainer, go with a 660ti, overclock it, and save yourself the money!

Gtx 580 is a better buy then a 660ti.. For what it does it is a pretty Crappy Gpu... And all the reviews show it overclocking like crap..
The 670 and 680 both overclock much much better.
they should not have even released this card.

I woulden't suggest it to anyone unless i hated them.

 

[RussianSensation]

dude u keep harping about this CPU limitation in BF3 MP all the time, but i'm sorry when i upgraded i did NOT notice any difference in performance in CPUs going from a 3.8ghz PhenomII x1100t to a 4.4ghz 2500k. NOT, ONE, SINGLE, FPS, DIFFERENCE, IN, MULTIPLAYER. the CPUs performed exactly the same. Its all about the graphics card and i could careless what the benchies say i experienced it firsthand and made sure i tested both with FRAPS on the same server with 64 players. Once all the eye candy is turned on (AA, AF, & HBAO) @ 1080p, the cpu is NO longer a factor.

I am pretty sure someone was passing real world testing with X6 1100T or similar vs. 2500K stock and Phenom II was faster. It took something like a 4.5ghz overclock on the 2500K to match a Phenom II 3.8ghz X6 in MP of BF3. So that isactually in-line with your results. I can't remember who has those graphs but maybe cmdrdredd can find them again for you. He isn't necessarily incorrect that there is a CPU bottleneck in BF3, however it isn't as prevalent with single GPUs which are more of a bottleneck. That's not to say that with 2 670s for instance a CPU bottleneck won't be exposed. But it's probably true that with a single GPU, the game would be almost 95% GPU limited with 4xMSAA.

 

[brandon888]

poohbear

totally agree about cpu i mean cpu have to be decent ,but now most of games are gpu intensive same story with RAM no point to have 16 gig or 12 8 GB is already enough



skipsneeky2


so you got 60+ fps and sometimes 40 fps dips ya ? but i how i will not notice them


even on gtx 680 i will see 40 or 45 fps dips .... there is no single card to keep 60 minimum fps ..... expect gtx 690 , witch is dual gpu

 

[smiley22432]

an overclocked 660ti performs on par with a GTX 670. Its a no brainer, go with a 660ti, overclock it, and save yourself the money!

By this logic, why not get a 670 and overclock it to be on par with a GTX 680?

 

[hokies83]

poohbear

totally agree about cpu i mean cpu have to be decent ,but now most of games are gpu intensive same story with RAM no point to have 16 gig or 12 8 GB is already enough



skipsneeky2


so you got 60+ fps and sometimes 40 fps dips ya ? but i how i will not notice them


even on gtx 680 i will see 40 or 45 fps dips .... there is no single card to keep 60 minimum fps ..... expect gtx 690 , witch is dual gpu

2 660tis = 1 7970 give or take a frame

I run Bf3 @ 2560x1440 Maxxed out 4x msaa it peaks it 1800 Vram use. this is with 2 Gtx 680s.
It will also spike to 80% gpu usage at times.
This is with a Vsync at 60fps.

There for id say get a 670.. over clock it.. then add another when you can and should should be golden.

 

[cmdrdredd]

dude u keep harping about this CPU limitation in BF3 MP all the time, but i'm sorry when i upgraded i did NOT notice any difference in performance in CPUs going from a 3.8ghz PhenomII x1100t to a 4.4ghz 2500k. NOT, ONE, SINGLE, FPS, DIFFERENCE, IN, MULTIPLAYER. the CPUs performed exactly the same. Its all about the graphics card and i could careless what the benchies say i experienced it firsthand and made sure i tested both with FRAPS on the same server with 64 players. Once all the eye candy is turned on (AA, AF, & HBAO) @ 1080p, the cpu is NO longer a factor.

The cpu is doing a lot of work on a 64player server. Believe whatever you want.

Btw: typing in caps (i.e. yelling) doesn't make your argument better.

 

[skipsneeky2]

There for id say get a 670.. over clock it.. then add another when you can and should should be golden.

The best plan,i went this route and am 110% happy and its my first sli set up and haven't ran into any crashs or instabilities of any kind either.:thumbsup:

 

[Sherlockwing]

I am debating between 3 options for a new computer:
1. MSI N670 PE/OC at 404.99 on newegg after rebate(I have shoprunner so all shipping free)

2.Gigabyte Windforce 3X at 399.99[on newegg

3. Downgrade Ram(16G) to 8G(-40) and downgrade case from Corsair 500R(114.99) to a $100 level Midtower(400R/Phantom 410) to fund a 7970 Ghz variant in the $425-460 range

What gives me the best performance in BF3 on a 120hz monitor(will have fund to SLI next month).

Option 3 isn't very appealing to me right now since I am considering the ASUS 27" VG278H 120Hz and it works best with Nvidia, but I could grab the Samsung950D at the same price.

 

[notty22]

I am debating between 3 options for a new computer:
1. MSI N670 PE/OC at 404.99 on newegg after rebate(I have shoprunner so all shipping free)

2.Gigabyte Windforce 3X at 399.99[on newegg

3. Downgrade Ram(16G) to 8G(-40) and downgrade case from Corsair 500R(114.99) to a $100 level Midtower(400R/Phantom 410) to fund a 7970 Ghz variant in the $425-460 range

What gives me the best performance in BF3 on a 120hz monitor(will have fund to SLI next month).

Option 3 isn't very appealing to me right now since I am considering the ASUS 27" VG278H 120Hz and it works best with Nvidia.

#1

Gets good reviews, also it's shiny

 

[RussianSensation]

Seconded the MSI PE card. Great overclocker for added headroom. Although the Windforce is an excellent choice for a quiet rig in SLI. I think the PE card has some form of voltage control, or has a tendency to hit pretty high memory overclocks. Since you mainly play BF3, no need to spend more $ on the 7970 for a 120hz monitor. SLI will work best in this case.

 

[sze5003]

#1

Gets good reviews, also it's shiny

I like MSI but dont forget to do the rebate because I did when I bought a 560Ti lol. Its more than the Gigabyte but MSI is a decent selection.

I'm thinking of getting the Gigabyte. Also looking at the 7970 but its all confusing after a while I just get tired and will need to pick one.

 

[alexruiz]

The cpu is doing a lot of work on a 64player server. Believe whatever you want.

Btw: typing in caps (i.e. yelling) doesn't make your argument better.

To play on medium no AA I'll use one of my lowly HD7770.

Whatever that graph shows is purely academic. Nobody buys a HD6990 to play on medium no AA at 1080p. When he mentioned no framerate change, he is obviously referring to real life settings, not experiment specific settings. There is a similar graph by those same guys at high-ultra that shows no difference

 

[moonbogg]

dude u keep harping about this CPU limitation in BF3 MP all the time, but i'm sorry when i upgraded i did NOT notice any difference in performance in CPUs going from a 3.8ghz PhenomII x1100t to a 4.4ghz 2500k. NOT, ONE, SINGLE, FPS, DIFFERENCE, IN, MULTIPLAYER. the CPUs performed exactly the same. Its all about the graphics card and i could careless what the benchies say i experienced it firsthand and made sure i tested both with FRAPS on the same server with 64 players. Once all the eye candy is turned on (AA, AF, & HBAO) @ 1080p, the cpu is NO longer a factor.

Any single card will get hammered hard by this game in multiplayer. A good quad core will do for a single card. SLI 670's get limited hard by any cpu with any overclock. You need an uber CPU for highend multiple card rigs and NO aMd cpu will get you even close.

 

[cmdrdredd]

To play on medium no AA I'll use one of my lowly HD7770.

Whatever that graph shows is purely academic. Nobody buys a HD6990 to play on medium no AA at 1080p. When he mentioned no framerate change, he is obviously referring to real life settings, not experiment specific settings. There is a similar graph by those same guys at high-ultra that shows no difference

Have you even tried playing on some maps with everything on ultra?

Even still, 60fps averages is not good enough for me. Look at the jump in minimums. That's the main thing.

 

[brandon888]

cmdrdredd


true ..... OC ed 680 can hold high 50-55 s as i saw .. i mean minimum fps .....


i saw also 660ti benchmarks ... well it has lower dips then even my gtx 480 but better average

 

[skipsneeky2]

cmdrdredd


true ..... OC ed 680 can hold high 50-55 s as i saw .. i mean minimum fps .....


i saw also 660ti benchmarks ... well it has lower dips then even my gtx 480 but better average

Yup,you mentioned the gtx660ti in one video apparently was dipping to 18fps in your gtx660 ti video thread which isn't that fantastic.

I tend to like these setup videos on youtube over most reviews so link us if you could to this video

I think the gtx660ti still needs a couple driver updates as its the first card to really have me like ,gtx670/7950/7970 are really the cards to consider if you wanna max out BF3 but i am eagerly awaiting how this card may perform at 1680x1050 and lower resolutions with ultra settings as it could still be ideal for those at that resolution if they want to max such resolutions.