GTX 580 Soft Launched ? - Out of Stock at all Major E-tailors...

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Lonyo

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this^^^
I am continually amazed at the trolling that goes on here! The only thing that this thread proves is that there are many more AMD "focus group" members here at the AT forums than NV one ;)
Folks, NV is a popular brand, performs and sells well and has been/will be in in business a long time. All the negativity you post day to day won't change that fact :biggrin:
Please stop the BS

Yes, clearly it's the AMD focus group members ignoring the Nvidia statements that there may be tight supply of the GTX580 for the first few weeks (we're on week ~5 now I think?) and that there was apparently no stockpile before launch.
And it's not NV people saying "oh the stock levels are fine" despite NV suggesting otherwise.

You are right, so many AMD focus group members trying to make NV look bad while NV focus group members spread the truth of there probably being limited stocks.
Oh, wait. NV focus group members apparently don't know what their own company is saying, while other people apparently can find this information, link it in the thread, and then have it ignored by "NV" people who want to press the idea that there are absolutely no supply issues despite cards regularly being out of stock and being sold for above MSRP.


Does that mean they are impossible to get?
No.
They are also more in stock and reasonably priced (on Newegg at least) than AMD's "competitor" the HD5970, which is currently OOS for the only decent value version of that card available, so AMD is not doing any better when it comes to competing at that price point, but that doesn't mean NV is having zero issues in terms of supply.
 
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Jacky60

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I am continually amazed at the trolling that goes on here! The only thing that this thread proves is that there are many more AMD "focus group" members here at the AT forums than NV one ;)
Folks, NV is a popular brand, performs and sells well and has been/will be in in business a long time. All the negativity you post day to day won't change that fact :biggrin:
Please stop the BS

It's quite clear despite all the puerile spinning and bs that BOTH AMD and Nvidia are good brands making good products. If the people continually arguing the toss weren't doing it here they would be elsewhere arguing that oranges are better than apples. Oops is it apples that are better?
 

Keysplayr

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Yes, clearly it's the AMD focus group members ignoring the Nvidia statements that there may be tight supply of the GTX580 for the first few weeks (we're on week ~5 now I think?) and that there was apparently no stockpile before launch.
And it's not NV people saying "oh the stock levels are fine" despite NV suggesting otherwise.

You are right, so many AMD focus group members trying to make NV look bad while NV focus group members spread the truth of there probably being limited stocks.
Oh, wait. NV focus group members apparently don't know what their own company is saying, while other people apparently can find this information, link it in the thread, and then have it ignored by "NV" people who want to press the idea that there are absolutely no supply issues despite cards regularly being out of stock and being sold for above MSRP.

Lonyo, what in the heck are you talking about. Almost need a Rune Stone to decipher your meanings here.
 
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Aristotelian

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Wow....there are no words for this. The cards have been in stock everywhere up until last week after the 69xx launch when people finally pulled the trigger because they knew what all the options were for the holiday season. They ran out at some places and have been getting new stock all the time. If someone wants one they can get one no problem. There really is no EVIDENCE to support this thread's title.

And again...all the soft launch talk....how long is a launch? 5 weeks? If they were out of stock a couple days after launch until now then I would say that would be a soft launch. This has been nothing of the sort.

There are no words for your rage-aholic response to what was a calm post.


It simply means to you what you want it to. That's fine. What I see, is quite possibly a demand for the 580 that maybe Nvidia underestimated. They'll refill the channels soon enough. Always works that way. Aristoleian, be patient and wait for what you want for the price you want.

I can't help but want to rant. When the 5970 was in short supply at release, certain members of a certain video forum began chanting the same mantra that is now being SUGGESTED (see, I can do that too!) with respect to the 580.

And somehow this is an indication of AMD support groups? How about an indication of consistency? The very same arguments used in the 5970 release are being used in the 580 release but this time apparently they are grounded purely in bias. This is the misdirection element that is laden in so many posts around here that it is trivially absurd.

Furthermore, Kees, I don't need a lesson in patience from you. My post does not correlate with my purchasing power. Rather, I'm inferring that because retailers are jacking up the price to such an extent that THEY ARE IN NO HURRY TO SELL THEM, they know that they will sell them at that price at some point and/or (and here's the suggestion!) it's not likely that they will be receiving shipments of large orders any time soon.

In summary, take a chill pill n0x1ous and add a little bit of reading comprehension to your methodology before you ridiculously sensationalise a post. And well, Kees, go figure that you don't respond (this is the 20th response in a row from you that absolutely misses the point of my post) to the content of my post. At least you're consistent in that.
 

n0x1ous

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There are no words for your rage-aholic response to what was a calm post.......In summary, take a chill pill n0x1ous and add a little bit of reading comprehension to your methodology before you ridiculously sensationalise a post.

Yes explaining why I thought what I thought with logic vs your character attacks. I think you are the one who needs the pill.

I read exactly what you wrote and highlighted what was a pretty absurd statement. Please enlighten me as to how cards being in stock and then running out of stock and then getting stock back in every other day means there are supply problems?
 

Keysplayr

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Furthermore, Kees, I don't need a lesson in patience from you.

Perhaps not. Perhaps people skills is where you would benefit from a lesson.
You don't want to be congenial toward me after I offer a sensible suggestion and a peaceable one, that's fine. Shows where you and I stand and on different islands.
 

Lonyo

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Lonyo, what in the heck are you talking about. Almost need a Rune Stone to decipher your meanings here.

NV fan: There are no GTX580 stock issues.
Me: Here are some links to NV apparently saying there will be limited supplies of the GTX580 and that there's no stockpile.
Various people: Links to sites with GTX580s out of stock.
Various other people: Links to sites with some cards being in stock, but many models not in stock, and quite a number at above MSRP.
NV fan: There are no stock issues it's all fine stop trying to discredit NV.
ginfest: I'm amazed at all these AMD trolls! God guys, stop the BS!


Summary:
There clearly ARE stock issues, but it's not an eternal struggle to get cards and they aren't totally major "OMG there are no cards anywhere" issues. There are a number of cards, but not enough to ensure plentiful supply, especially in many countries outside the US, based on the stock levels which appear at various online websites.
 
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Keysplayr

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It's abundantly clear to me. Is English not your native language?

It's "abundantly" clear to you? Not just clear? Something is either clear, or not. Lonyo's post was dripping with sarcasm like over syruped pancakes. My point was, instead of all the sarcasm, just say what you mean. Simple.

And please, stop being nasty. Yes, to me, you are being nasty. I'm asking you to stop.
 

Keysplayr

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NV fan: There are no GTX580 stock issues.
Me: Here are some links to NV apparently saying there will be limited supplies of the GTX580 and that there's no stockpile.
Various people: Links to sites with GTX580s out of stock.
Various other people: Links to sites with some cards being in stock, but many models not in stock, and quite a number at above MSRP.
NV fan: There are no stock issues it's all fine stop trying to discredit NV.
ginfest: I'm amazed at all these AMD trolls! God guys, stop the BS!


Summary:
There clearly ARE stock issues, but it's not an eternal struggle to get cards and they aren't totally major "OMG there are no cards anywhere" issues. There are a number of cards, but not enough to ensure plentiful supply, especially in many countries outside the US, based on the stock levels which appear at various online websites.

Not very mature dude. Rethink you're approach to this "issue". Someone might take you seriously.
 

Aristotelian

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Yes explaining why I thought what I thought with logic vs your character attacks. I think you are the one who needs the pill.

I read exactly what you wrote and highlighted what was a pretty absurd statement. Please enlighten me as to how cards being in stock and then running out of stock and then getting stock back in every other day means there are supply problems?

Supply is only a problem if Nvidia are losing money by not supplying enough cards to the market to meet the demand for those cards. We don't know how much of the demand for 580s isn't being met. If you were being logical with respect to my post you would have understood the substantive point, which is (here, I'll break it down for you):

a) Since Nvidia themselves suggested that supply would be tight for a while (as proven by Lonyo a number of times) and
b) Since a number of major retailers either do not have the cards in good supply and/or are jacking up the price on the cards significantly, then
c i) Perhaps Nvidia is exactly meeting the demand for the cards, and the retailers are jacking up the price a bit because the price increase isn't enough to drive people away from the 580.

However, c i) fails because a number of sites in Europe have not had stock of the cards for almost a week now, and those that have had cards in stock have them listed for a very high premium over the American price (and yes, I'm well aware that in Europe these items are typically more expensive, but 50% from a major retailer? Please).

Consider c ii) Perhaps Nvidia isn't meeting the demand in terms of the supply, and because of the low (lower than demand) supply, those who end up buying a 580 are those who are willing to pay the premium for early adoption.

C ii) seems quite realistic to me. This is what happened when the 68XX cards were released, remember? This also happened at the 5970 release. This also happens at any top tier card release that I can remember. I remember it taking weeks to get my Geforce DDR. I remember it taking weeks to get my TNT2 Ultra. I found an x1800 on a shelf in Toronto at the time but it was for an outrageous price: I paid it.

The characterization of what is happening here is not grounded in bias, but rather the common occurrence of what happens for ultra-high end graphics cards. Not that many are made, and at times they sell out (because demand for them isn't that easy to predict). What's the big deal?

Also the fanboy claims irk me because:

In the very same posts where I suggest I have considered spending about 700 USD on a videocard you Americans can get for ~520, I get called out for being a fanboy?

And you didn't even address my post. If you're familiar with 'logic', do you know what a necessary entailment is? To support a 'soft launch' you don't have to prove that there are no cards available, you need to a) define what a soft launch is (I said that in the post you quoted) and b) discuss the criteria for what a soft launch consists of (which you tried to do, and is what I suggested in my post). I think one such criterion is 'paying a large premium over and above msrp'. Now, we can either discuss that rationally or go back to bold/caps/increasing text size to try to sensationalize things. Your call.
 
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Aristotelian

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It's "abundantly" clear to you? Not just clear? Something is either clear, or not. Lonyo's post was dripping with sarcasm like over syruped pancakes. My point was, instead of all the sarcasm, just say what you mean. Simple.

And please, stop being nasty. Yes, to me, you are being nasty. I'm asking you to stop.

I'm not trying to be nasty, and I didn't see sarcasm in the initial post of Lonyo's that you refer to. I characterized my take on it in the post above this one. I apologize for the tone of my previous posts.

Edit: You think clarity is simply boolean and does not permit of degrees? Ever bought a diamond? :)
 

n0x1ous

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NV fan: There are no GTX580 stock issues.
Me: Here are some links to NV apparently saying there will be limited supplies of the GTX580 and that there's no stockpile.
Various people: Links to sites with GTX580s out of stock.
Various other people: Links to sites with some cards being in stock, but many models not in stock, and quite a number at above MSRP.
NV fan: There are no stock issues it's all fine stop trying to discredit NV.
ginfest: I'm amazed at all these AMD trolls! God guys, stop the BS!


Summary:
There clearly ARE stock issues, but it's not an eternal struggle to get cards and they aren't totally major "OMG there are no cards anywhere" issues. There are a number of cards, but not enough to ensure plentiful supply, especially in many countries outside the US, based on the stock levels which appear at various online websites.

Lon, can you repost the links where Nv says they will have low supply? or point me to the post where they were first posted?
 

Lonyo

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Lon, can you repost the links where Nv says they will have low supply? or point me to the post where they were first posted?

I could, but I'm not going to, because this whole thread is utterly retarded shit, and while I will get an infraction for this post because of the language, it will at least tell me a moderator has looked at it, and then I can be sure they have seen this:

Why hasn't this thread been locked yet due to all the thread crapping?
 

n0x1ous

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Supply is only a problem if Nvidia are losing money by not supplying enough cards to the market to meet the demand for those cards. We don't know how much of the demand for 580s isn't being met. If you were being logical with respect to my post you would have understood the substantive point, which is (here, I'll break it down for you):

a) Since Nvidia themselves suggested that supply would be tight for a while (as proven by Lonyo a number of times) and
b) Since a number of major retailers either do not have the cards in good supply and/or are jacking up the price on the cards significantly, then
c i) Perhaps Nvidia is exactly meeting the demand for the cards, and the retailers are jacking up the price a bit because the price increase isn't enough to drive people away from the 580.

However, c i) fails because a number of sites in Europe have not had stock of the cards for almost a week now, and those that have had cards in stock have them listed for a very high premium over the American price (and yes, I'm well aware that in Europe these items are typically more expensive, but 50% from a major retailer? Please).

Consider c ii) Perhaps Nvidia isn't meeting the demand in terms of the supply, and because of the low (lower than demand) supply, those who end up buying a 580 are those who are willing to pay the premium for early adoption.

C ii) seems quite realistic to me. This is what happened when the 68XX cards were released, remember? This also happened at the 5970 release. This also happens at any top tier card release that I can remember. I remember it taking weeks to get my Geforce DDR. I remember it taking weeks to get my TNT2 Ultra. I found an x1800 on a shelf in Toronto at the time but it was for an outrageous price: I paid it.

The characterization of what is happening here is not grounded in bias, but rather the common occurrence of what happens for ultra-high end graphics cards. Not that many are made, and at times they sell out (because demand for them isn't that easy to predict). What's the big deal?

Also the fanboy claims irk me because:

In the very same posts where I suggest I have considered spending about 700 USD on a videocard you Americans can get for ~520, I get called out for being a fanboy?

And you didn't even address my post. If you're familiar with 'logic', do you know what a necessary entailment is? To support a 'soft launch' you don't have to prove that there are no cards available, you need to a) define what a soft launch is (I said that in the post you quoted) and b) discuss the criteria for what a soft launch consists of (which you tried to do, and is what I suggested in my post). I think one such criterion is 'paying a large premium over and above msrp'. Now, we can either discuss that rationally or go back to bold/caps/increasing text size to try to sensationalize things. Your call.

You suggest "paying a large premium over msrp" is criteria of a soft launch, and I wouldn't necessarily disagree with that for a lot of market spots such as sub $300, but at the high end......what I mean is lets pretend that there are 10,000,000 GTX 580's available (hypothetical we both know that is not true) I think they may have charged the extra 30 bux over msrp anyway because its a halo part. I havent seen "jacking up prices significantly" but I am in the US and what i have seen is anywhere from 30-50 over msrp which might be worse in Europe no doubt. So while that could indicate a supply issue, the fact that its a halo part makes me think otherwise.

Anyway, thank you for the explanation as I see what you are saying. I guess from my viewpoint in the US, while there are certainly models sold out, cards are available to purchase for prices that they were available for at launch when most models were in stock. In Europe or other parts of the world that might not be the case.

I did notice Lonyo say he had links to articles where NV said they had low quantity, and asked him to repost or point me to the post where they were originally posted, but he has declined.

Also, i know you said jacking up prices significantly as one of your possible reasons, not that you were claiming that as fact.....If you are in Europe than you have my apologies as far as the unfair prices those buyers must pay compared to the US market.

I apologize if my previous posts seemed aggressive or out of line. Nothing personal against you or Lonyo.
 
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Attic

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EVGA and Gigabyte are back in stock at newegg. The soft launch just keeps getting softer.


Given they have been out of stock quite frequently is bigger news than them being in stock for a limited amount of time at the moment, furthermore the EVGA 1580 model at newegg has a limit of 2 cards per customer but I can't add more than 1 to my cart due to "Insufficient Quantities Available"

Limited supply argument looks secure and keeps getting more secure.
 
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stupidhatmatt

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When I purchased my 2x580's EVGAs at Fry's on Saturday it showed that many other stores had them within 50 miles. Has anyone tried running a local check at Fry's.com? I show 6 stores with them in a 75 mile radius and that's EVGA.
 
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