GTX 560 reviews tomorrow

[Keysplayr]

What is the point in reading a rainbow?

The point is, if you don't make an effort to read the "rainbow" then it's going to be pretty obvious that all you intend to do is troll here. You have no interest in anything but retaliation for Happy Mediums 6450 or whatever it was rebadge thread. It's quite petty you know.

 

[notty22]

4008MHz for the highest memory clock on a 560 with lower core clock vs 3900MHz for the 460.
So 2.7% memory deficit vs minimum of 2.4% core clock increase comparing cards as they ship.
So a maximum of 2.7% on the RAM is going to overcome a minimum of 2.4% on the core?

Yes, the 560 will overclock better and probably use less power, but an 850MHz GTX460 with 3900MHz RAM is going to be faster than an 810MHz GTX560 with 4000MHz RAM.
Do you really really really really think the 560 will be faster? Really?

I have no idea's where your getting these numbers, so I will expound on my faster memory clocks across the board comment. Its based on them being at least 10% faster.
The reference memory clock was 900mhz on the 460 and its now 1000 on the gtx 560.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4344/nvidias-geforce-gtx-560-top-to-bottom-overclock

 

[Lonyo]

I have no idea's where your getting these numbers, so I will expound on my faster memory clocks across the board comment. Its based on them being at least 10% faster.

Step 1) Read the posts that are relevant to the train of discussion (difficult without deeply nested quotes, blame the forum)
Step 2) Understand the conversation.
Step 3) Realise where you made the mistake (hint: it's comparing reference to reference).

The discussion was about SPECIFIC cards on Newegg at the given prices that Newegg is selling them for. That's where I got my numbers from. Actual cards being sold by Newegg.
The SPECIFIC cards under discussion were a GTX460 clocked at 850/3900 selling for $190 ($170 AR) against SPECIFIC GTX560 models which were clocked at under 850MHz core, which were mostly at 4000~4008MHz on the RAM.

It doesn't matter in the slightest what the reference clocks are for GTX460 or GTX560 cards if you aren't buying a reference card.
I was talking about THOSE specific cards as posted by another member of the forum. You're bringing in things which bear no relevance to the discussion.
The $170 AR GTX460 on Newegg is FASTER than many of the various GTX560s linked in the earlier post in this thread which cost MORE money.
That's the end of the story.
An 850MHz/3900MHz GTX460 can be had for cheaper than 810~830MHz GTX460s with 4000~4008MHz RAM. It will be faster. It is also cheaper. END OF. REFERENCE CLOCKS DON'T MATTER WHEN REFERENCE CARDS AREN'T BEING DISCUSSED.

 

[Keysplayr]

Sorry Lonyo, but after looking at those graphs there, you're going to have your work cut out for you if you wish to convince us the 560 is a rebadge. Is that what you intend?
Same technical specs, with the exception of power consumption. But Far higher clocks all around. Means much higher default performance so it should command a bit of a price premium. Do you disagree?

 

[Lonyo]

Sorry Lonyo, but after looking at those graphs there, you're going to have your work cut out for you if you wish to convince us the 560 is a rebadge. Is that what you intend?
Same technical specs, with the exception of power consumption. But Far higher clocks all around. Means much higher default performance so it should command a bit of a price premium. Do you disagree?

That wasn't what I said at all. Did you even follow the train of the conversation?

A GTX460 at $170 AR is better value if you are running stock than a $30+ more GTX560 with lower clocks. No?

 

[Keysplayr]

But you are talking about extremes at both ends of the spectrum. The very fastest 460 against the slowest 560? Amiright?
It might behoove you to look at the whole picture and even indulge others a little bit and look at the default base clocks of both 460 and 560 rather than look at the much rarer exception than the much more common rule.
Up to you though.

 

[Lonyo]

But you are talking about extremes at both ends of the spectrum. The very fastest 460 against the slowest 560? Amiright?
It might behoove you to look at the whole picture and even indulge others a little bit and look at the default base clocks of both 460 and 560 rather than look at the much rarer exception than the much more common rule.
Up to you though.

So the cheapest GTX560s are not good value because they are more expensive than an equally performing GTX460.
And the more expensive ones aren't really worth it either, because they are about the same as the GTX560 Ti.

$170 (AR) GTX460 850MHz
$200 GTX560 850MHz
$210 AR GTX560 Ti 850MHz
$220 GTX560 (non-Ti) 925MHz

Why would I look at the expensive 560's when they are the same more more than Ti's?

 

[Keysplayr]

Interesting question. Even more so is why would you be looking into an Nvidia GPU at all? So in plain English, why do you care?

 

[notty22]

All I know is there are over 11 6850's priced over 175.00 not counting rebates on newegg. Many of them over 180.00. Thats within spitting distance of a much faster, higher clocked, custom cooled gtx 560.
I don't see how anyone would consider one now.
Deal with rebates to save another 20 dollars or get the Nvidia card and start enjoying physX !

 

[Jionix]

Interesting question. Even more so is why would you be looking into an Nvidia GPU at all? So in plain English, why do you care?

(insert comment about how this is a discussion forum and how everyone can discuss the topic)

 

[Jionix]

Deal with rebates to save another 20 dollars or get the Nvidia card and start enjoying physX !

Enjoy PhysX on what? What games?

 

[AtenRa]

We could say that GTX560 is a refresh, it has lower power consumption at the same performance than GTX460. Architecturally (Cuda Cores, ROPs etc) they are the same and when GTX460 will be EOL (i guess very soon) GTX560 could be at bellow $190 price.

 

[Lonyo]

Interesting question. Even more so is why would you be looking into an Nvidia GPU at all? So in plain English, why do you care?

Why do you care? You already have a GTX590, so what does a comparatively slow little 560 mean to you?
If you're going for personal attacks questioning the motivation of people, then you shouldn't because that's against the rules, which you have been around long enough to know.

Is arguing that two other NV products are better options than a brand new NV product a problem?
My suggestion was buy a GTX460 or GTX560 Ti over a GTX560 because they offer better value.
You're not going to buy any of them, so why do you care?

 

[Vette73]

Seems nvidia is messing up the pricing like they did with the 550's.

Most 560's are in the 19x range. Yet AR you can get the 560ti in the 19x range.

 

[cusideabelincoln]

In what? You just proved my point.

gtx460 ftw @ 850 core = 311 watts
gtx560 "base" = 850 core = 294 watts ( they did not test reference models)
17 watts difference


Asus gtx560 TOP @ 925 core = 310 watts.
Evga gtx460 ftw @ 850 core = 311 watts
Less power and more clock speed for the gtx560.

reference gtx460 1gb @ 675 core = 291 watts vs gtx560 @ 810+ core @ 294 watts.
3 watts more for 135 more core speed.

Thats no difference?

Base is the 810 MHz clock. Mid grade is the 850 MHz clock. And 11W is hardly any difference, 11W and these cards are grouped into the same tier. You'll see 11W difference from one card to another of the same exact model. The power consumption range overlaps greatly. According to AT, you have the GTX 460 going from 291W to 311W and the GTX 560 going from 294W to 320W. That kind of overlap puts these cards at pretty much the same power consumption.

So I misspoke with one of my words. I meant to say "hardly any difference" instead of "really any difference." And by my own definition, there is hardly any difference because I don't consider 11W a difference maker on these cards.

And it's also funny how you'll highlight this minisiscule power consumption difference for the 560 but you wouldn't do the same for... [fill in the blank]. If you want to proclaim power efficiency, look at the HD 6870, which brings roughly the same performance as the 560 but at 25 fewer watts.

The point is, if you don't make an effort to read the "rainbow" then it's going to be pretty obvious that all you intend to do is troll here.

(Thank you.) You can't bring an argument against the facts I presented so you resort to ad hominem attacks, because if you would have paid attention there is nothing in happy's thread which counters what I said. Report my post if you feel violated, because you are off topic here and that is pretty much all you ever do. Oh wait, there's a double standard on these forums, so you're allowed to say this kind of bull while we can't.

You have no interest in anything but retaliation for Happy Mediums 6450 or whatever it was rebadge thread. It's quite petty you know.

And yet again, you show your love of being wrong in trying to understand my nature and engage in libel.

But you are talking about extremes at both ends of the spectrum. The very fastest 460 against the slowest 560? Amiright?
It might behoove you to look at the whole picture and even indulge others a little bit and look at the default base clocks of both 460 and 560 rather than look at the much rarer exception than the much more common rule.
Up to you though.

The majority of GTX 560s I see available right now are clocked at 850MHz and below. So we aren't going from extreme to extreme. Regardless of this little nugget that makes you wrong, yet again, we were specifically talking about the context at hand. Specifically. Specifically. Specifically. So don't straw man your argument like you love to do.

Interesting question. Even more so is why would you be looking into an Nvidia GPU at all? So in plain English, why do you care?

ROFLMAOWTFBBQ.

The classic red herring.

 

[happy medium]

Base is the 810 MHz clock. Mid grade is the 850 MHz clock. And 11W is hardly any difference, 11W and these cards are grouped into the same tier. You'll see 11W difference from one card to another of the same exact model. The power consumption range overlaps greatly. According to AT, you have the GTX 460 going from 291W to 311W and the GTX 560 going from 294W to 320W. That kind of overlap puts these cards at pretty much the same power consumption.

So I misspoke with one of my words. I meant to say "hardly any difference" instead of "really any difference." And by my own definition, there is hardly any difference because I don't consider 11W a difference maker on these cards.

And it's also funny how you'll highlight this minisiscule power consumption difference for the 560 but you wouldn't do the same for... [fill in the blank]. If you want to proclaim power efficiency, look at the HD 6870, which brings roughly the same performance as the 560 but at 25 fewer watts.



(Thank you.) You can't bring an argument against the facts I presented so you resort to ad hominem attacks, because if you would have paid attention there is nothing in happy's thread which counters what I said. Report my post if you feel violated, because you are off topic here and that is pretty much all you ever do. Oh wait, there's a double standard on these forums, so you're allowed to say this kind of bull while we can't.



And yet again, you show your love of being wrong in trying to understand my nature and engage in libel.


The majority of GTX 560s I see available right now are clocked at 850MHz and below. So we aren't going from extreme to extreme. Regardless of this little nugget that makes you wrong, yet again, we were specifically talking about the context at hand. Specifically. Specifically. Specifically. So don't straw man your argument like you love to do.


ROFLMAOWTFBBQ.

The classic red herring.

yea that explains it......:\ put up or shut up.
you sound like your definition of a strawman.:thumbsup:

A straw man" is a component of an argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.[1] To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by substituting it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.[1][2]"

argue the facts or stay out of the argument, plain n simple.

edit: Now I see why they don't let you post over at ABT anymore. What a joke!

Edit 2: your posting history is nothing more than stawman crap mixied in with "wanting to allways to be right. A REAL MAN ADMITS WHEN HE'S WRONG, TRY IT SOMETIME YOUR GIRLFREIND DOES, BELIEVE ME SHE DOES.

 

[Bearach]

yea that explains it......:\ put up or shut up.
you sound like your definition of a strawman.:thumbsup:

A straw man" is a component of an argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.[1] To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by substituting it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.[1][2]"

argue the facts or stay out of the argument, plain n simple.

edit: Now I see why they don't let you post over at ABT anymore. What a joke!

Edit 2: your posting history is nothing more than stawman crap mixied in with "wanting to allways to be right. A REAL MAN ADMITS WHEN HE'S WRONG, TRY IT SOMETIME YOUR GIRLFREIND DOES, BELIEVE ME SHE DOES.

Ouch, that is totally uncalled for. You've resulted to insulting. He has his opinion, be respectful and agree to disagree.

 

[SirPauly]

Enjoy PhysX on what? What games?

There hasn't been many but Alice: Madness Returns is going to offer GPU physic effects and may be the most impressive to date.

 

[happy medium]

Ouch, that is totally uncalled for. You've resulted to insulting. He has his opinion, be respectful and agree to disagree.

Insulting? Now I challenge him to argue the facts, so before you jump in bed with him , I suggest you save your rep. and sit back and watch.

Never mind you have no rep., carry on.

 

[SirPauly]

Seems nvidia is messing up the pricing like they did with the 550's.

Most 560's are in the 19x range. Yet AR you can get the 560ti in the 19x range.

It's pretty tough to get an idealistic pricing structure when product sku's are launched -- sometimes there is over-lap and sku's need to be price adjusted over time.

 

[Bearach]

Insulting? Now I challenge him to argue the facts, so before you jump in bed with him , I suggest you save your rep. and sit back and watch.

Never mind you have no rep., carry on.

Okay, carry on.

 

[Keysplayr]

Why do you care?
You mean why am I giving you a hard time? I didn't think I was. Sorry.

You already have a GTX590, so what does a comparatively slow little 560 mean to you?
I have a few GTX 560 Ti. One in my sons rig and two in SLI in another rig.
If you're going for personal attacks questioning the motivation of people, then you shouldn't because that's against the rules, which you have been around long enough to know.
I absolutely do not question your motivation. Not at all. I know perfectly well what motivates you. We go way back remember? . Which is kind of why I was rather curious as to why you're diggin in on this one. You have every right to, just wondering why so intense today. So again, sorry.

Is arguing that two other NV products are better options than a brand new NV product a problem?
No, but you're getting awful testy about it though.
My suggestion was buy a GTX460 or GTX560 Ti over a GTX560 because they offer better value.
I read that. So, stock for stock, you'd buy (in an alternate universe of course) the 460 for 170 over a 560 at 200. Yes? Congrats. I only agree if all you have to spend is 170
You're not going to buy any of them, so why do you care?
I already bought two 560Ti. And 2 GTX460 1GB as a gift for my friend for his B-day. Should I buy more?

What else.

 

[cusideabelincoln]

yea that explains it...... put up or shut up.
you sound like your definition of a strawman.

A straw man" is a component of an argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.[1] To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by substituting it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.[1][2]"

argue the facts or stay out of the argument, plain n simple.

edit: Now I see why they don't let you post over at ABT anymore. What a joke!

Edit 2: your posting history is nothing more than stawman crap mixied in with "wanting to allways to be right. A REAL MAN ADMITS WHEN HE'S WRONG, TRY IT SOMETIME YOUR GIRLFREIND DOES, BELIEVE ME SHE DOES.

You quoted the definition of it, but your usage of the term straw man demonstrates you don't really know what it means. This entire post doesn't make any sense at all. You should really be specific when addressing a post of mine which covers more than one area.

"argue the facts or stay out of the argument, plain n simple."

I've stated my fax several times: The EVGA GTX 460 is cheaper and as fast as the majority of the GTX 560s available at this time. Its power consumption is within 15W, which is marginal for these cards. It's even possibles newer cards have lower power as the 40nm prosess has been refined, but this is not something I expect to be proven oar disproven because no review site is going to buy a new 850MHz GTX 460 when they already have an older one.

edit: Who says they don't let me post at ABT? I haven't posted there in some time by my own free volition. Again you demonstrate you have no idea what you're talking about.

edit 2: There's no wanting. I'm always right unless I'm wrong.

 

[Madcatatlas]

Why do you care?
You mean why am I giving you a hard time? I didn't think I was. Sorry.

You already have a GTX590, so what does a comparatively slow little 560 mean to you?
I have a few GTX 560 Ti. One in my sons rig and two in SLI in another rig.
If you're going for personal attacks questioning the motivation of people, then you shouldn't because that's against the rules, which you have been around long enough to know.
I absolutely do not question your motivation. Not at all. I know perfectly well what motivates you. We go way back remember? . Which is kind of why I was rather curious as to why you're diggin in on this one. You have every right to, just wondering why so intense today. So again, sorry.

Is arguing that two other NV products are better options than a brand new NV product a problem?
No, but you're getting awful testy about it though.
My suggestion was buy a GTX460 or GTX560 Ti over a GTX560 because they offer better value.
I read that. So, stock for stock, you'd buy (in an alternate universe of course) the 460 for 170 over a 560 at 200. Yes? Congrats. I only agree if all you have to spend is 170
You're not going to buy any of them, so why do you care?
I already bought two 560Ti. And 2 GTX460 1GB as a gift for my friend for his B-day. Should I buy more?


What else.

Ye and when did we start writing our answer within a quote? Isnt that against the rules on this forum? confuses the hell out of me and can twist my words, and your words in and out.

Your calling him out on being personal and your being personal yourself? Character assasinations.. (spelling?)

 

[Keysplayr]

Your calling him out on being personal and your being personal yourself? Character assasinations.. (spelling?)

So somebody's preferences publicly noted is taboo now? I guess we just make this stuff up as we go along. So be it.