GTX 560 reviews tomorrow

[tviceman]

Since the gtx570 had a different bit and memory configuration than the gtx480, we have never gotten a true apples-to-apples comparison of the same spec'd first gen fermi chips and current gen fermi chips. So while it won't be an "exciting" launch, and at $199, it's almost exactly the same current price as similarly clocked gtx460's, but I'm looking forward to seeing clock-for-clock comparisons between the gtx560 and gtx460, to see if and how much performance per mhz AND TDP has improved.

 

[Lonyo]

The GTX570/GTX580 had architectural changes over 470/480.
The 560 has had no architectural changes over the 460, only transistor level changes. The change will be only in TDP, and there should be absolutely zero change in performance per MHz.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4135/nvidias-geforce-gtx-560-ti-upsetting-the-250-market/2

As we touched on in our introduction, NVIDIA is putting their gains here in to performance rather than power consumption. The official TDP is going up 10W, while performance is going up anywhere between 10% and 40%. This is the only difference compared to GF104, as GF114 does not contain any architectural changes (GF110’s changes were backported from GF104). Everything we see today will be a result of a better built chip.

Assuming Anand is correct of course.

 

[RussianSensation]

Since the gtx570 had a different bit and memory configuration than the gtx480, we have never gotten a true apples-to-apples comparison of the same spec'd first gen fermi chips and current gen fermi chips. ....but I'm looking forward to seeing clock-for-clock comparisons between the gtx560 and gtx460, to see if and how much performance per mhz AND TDP has improved.

GF104 and GF100 do not have the same clock-for-clock performance. Therefore, even if you compare GTX560 to the 460, you won't be able to extrapolate anything from that comparison to the GTX570 vs. 480 scenario.

Consider GTX460 launched July 11, 2010, GTX560 being released almost 1 year later is just a yawn (i.e., basically a 460 with a "factory" overclock courtesy of NV 10 months later).

EDIT: Looks like Lonyo beat me to the punch with a much more informative post! :thumbsup:

 

[notty22]

I expect the 560 at its stock clocks to blow past the 6850's and equal most of the 6870's. Where its priced.
Gtx 560ti', carried a extra 100mhz in memory clocks, hopefully the 560 does as well.

 

[RussianSensation]

I expect the 560 at its stock clocks to blow past the 6850's and equal most of the 6870's. Where its priced.
Gtx 560ti', carried a extra 100mhz in memory clocks, hopefully the 560 does as well.

That's pretty much a given. Most HD6850s hover at $155-160, HD6870s at $180-200. Therefore, on the AMD side the primary competitor to the GTX560 will be the HD6870.

Still when GTX460 1GB can be picked up for $140 and an 850mhz version for $170 (funny how fanboys complained that Anandtech included the 850mhz GTX460 during the launch of HD6870 and that card is still available 7 months later!), a $199 GTX560 would be way overpriced. $179 seems more reasonable.

 

[notty22]

That's pretty much a given. Most HD6850s hover at $155-160, HD6870s at $180-200. Therefore, the primary competitor to the GTX560 will be the HD6870.

Still when GTX460 1GB can be picked up for $140 and an 850mhz version for $170, a $199 GTX560 would be way overpriced. $179 seems more reasonable.

Wait a minute with all these super low prices, didn't you tell us in a post, someone gave you 200-210 for your old gtx 470 ? How did you manage that ?
I don't think every prospective buyer hangs on only for newegg shell shocker deals.

edit: Which is why AMD and Nvidia are filling up these price segments with more of the same old, same old.

 

[RussianSensation]

Wait a minute with all these super low prices, didn't you tell us in a post, someone gave you 200-210 for your old gtx 470 ? How did you manage that ?

I purchase my parts in US (when I get a chance to visit family) but I sell them in Canada, since that's where I live. We have 13% taxes on products and services in my province. When I sold the 470, the retail prices in Canada were higher since the CDN dollar wasn't as strong against the US dollar as it is now. Used 470s were going for $260-280 online (before tax). Also, the buyer specifically wanted an EVGA version with a high flow bracket, since that's what his other card was. So he was willing to pay a small premium to have 2 matching SLI cards. Not sure if you remember but my 470 ran much cooler than the average 470. So that helped with the sale

edit: Which is why AMD and Nvidia are filling up these price segments with more of the same old, same old.

HD670 and HD7870 should be the cards to buy @ $199 if 28nm cards launch this year. That's why it's a bit hard to get excited about a "overclocked GTX460 = 560". Also, there have been a bunch of deals on the Ti version for $199.

 

[notty22]

That evga 460 1gb is actually a very good deal.

Here is one of the new 560's that popped up the other day.
It does have 1000mhz memory clock.
But at 200 dollars is 30 dollars over-priced compared to the 460 you linked to.


I noticed this the other day, under its features it lists this


Perfect Upgrade for 1080p Gaming
- 15% better than GTX460 Sonic 1GB in DX10
- 24% better than GTX460 1GB in DX10

The Best Gaming Experience for the Price
- 10% faster in DX10 than HD6870
- 20% faster in DX11 than HD6870


I think thats over-optimistic

 

[Lonyo]

Wait a minute with all these super low prices, didn't you tell us in a post, someone gave you 200-210 for your old gtx 470 ? How did you manage that ?
I don't think every prospective buyer hangs on only for newegg shell shocker deals.

edit: Which is why AMD and Nvidia are filling up these price segments with more of the same old, same old.

I'm sure those prospective buyers who don't check Newegg every day will be warned by someone making a thread informing them that the GTX560 is little more than an overclocked GTX460, and that you can have a faster card for less if you buy an even more overclocked GTX460 at $170.

 

[happy medium]

I saw a factory overclocked gtx560 yesterday @ 870 core. I'm sure these chips will overclock beyond 950+, just like the gtx560 ti. Thats another plus.
At 810 core the gtx 560 non ti will have a 10 watt lower tdp then a stock gtx460 @ 675 core. This is a rumer I have been hearing.

Memory bandwith is the same as the gtx560 ti version also, a good bit more than a gtx460. Thats another plus.

Worth 199$? Naaa , more like 179$, but it is a new launch, so prices tend to be higher for a few weeks.

 

[tviceman]

I saw a factory overclocked gtx560 yesterday @ 870 core. I'm sure these chips will overclock beyond 950+, just like the gtx560 ti. Thats another plus.
At 810 core the gtx 560 non ti will have a 10 watt lower tdp then a stock gtx460 @ 675 core. This is a rumer I have been hearing.

Memory bandwith is the same as the gtx560 ti version also, a good bit more than a gtx460. Thats another plus.

Worth 199$? Naaa , more like 179$, but it is a new launch, so prices tend to be higher for a few weeks.

810mhz with a lower TPD than the 675mhz gtx460 is quite an improvement in and of itself. But yes, it's $20 too expensive like most of these new releases lately have been.

 

[Spikesoldier]

Worth 199$? Naaa , more like 179$, but it is a new launch, so prices tend to be higher for a few weeks.

im so glad that you learned something from your 6770 attack thread. :thumbsup:

 

[happy medium]

im so glad that you learned something from your 6770 attack thread. :thumbsup:

5770 to a higher priced, equal performing 6770 with hdmi 1.4a sucks.

gtx460 to a higher performing, cooler running, quieter running, lower power drawing , higher overclocking, more exspensive gtx560 is ok.

Yea , I learned alot.

 

[Spikesoldier]

5770 to a higher priced, equal performing 6770 with hdmi 1.4a sucks.

gtx460 to a higher performing, cooler running, quieter running, lower power drawing , higher overclocking, more exspensive gtx560 is ok.

Yea , I learned alot.

what i wanted you to get out of this is for you to acknowledge that cards are artificially overpriced when they are released.

you know this but you turned a blind eye to this fact in that thread, and again in this one.

i had high hopes for you, yet you disappoint.

come on man you are like now neck and neck with tweakboy on the bottom rung of the logic ladder.

 

[RobertPters77]

My guess; GTX560 is just a GTX460 1gb rebadge. Same 336 cuda cores, Same reference clock, etc. Maybe better power draw. Surely the prices on gtx460 will drop and I can get another card to sli.

 

[RussianSensation]

what i wanted you to get out of this is for you to acknowledge that cards are artificially overpriced when they are released.

Lately this has been the case. But you can't say that HD4850/4870/4890 were overpriced when they were released (and neither were the HD5850 or 5870). All 5 of those cards undercut the competition for equal or better performance upon release! So I would say HD6790, 6670, GTS 450, 550, GT430 have been the biggest offenders recently.

 

[notty22]

My guess; GTX560 is just a GTX460 1gb rebadge. Same 336 cuda cores, Same reference clock, etc. Maybe better power draw. Surely the prices on gtx460 will drop and I can get another card to sli.

Ahm no, the cards are definitely getting 560ti , type clocks.
http://www.fudzilla.com/graphics/item/22735-nvidias-geforce-gtx-560-shows-up-early
810/1000 Palit
870 / ??? MSI

I would not wait much longer if you are wanting a 'new' gtx 460, they are going to dry up, and with it the deals, imo.

 

[happy medium]

what i wanted you to get out of this is for you to acknowledge that cards are artificially overpriced when they are released.

If you are asking for my opinion, I would say sometimes they are. For example,
the 5770/5800 series had lower prices at release and slowly the prices went up. .

 

[edplayer]

If these cards release at $199 and begin at 810MHz, I would say that is not a good deal.

I assume they would have the same performance as an equally clocked 460 1GB. happy says they are cooler running, quieter, more power efficient and have a higher overclocking potential. Don't see any evidence of that but it seems very possible as there could/should have been revision since the 460 first launched.

If its better (apart from stock clocks) in the single digit range, big deal. Useful info for nerd jeopardy maybe. If it has double digit gains, thats good.

 

[happy medium]

happy says they are cooler running, quieter, more power efficient and have a higher overclocking potential. Don't see any evidence of that but it seems very possible as there could/should have been revision since the 460 first launched.

Overclocking potential seems to be around 950/1000 core.
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...366-nvidia-geforce-gtx-560-1gb-review-16.html

 

[96Firebird]

Looks like the GTX 460 1GB gets a suitable replacement, it was great while it lasted. Great card that seemingly saved Nvidia from the rest of the Fermi series.

 

[notty22]

These models, especially a custom one do offer some good value.
Even at launch prices.
Lets say, you like the Asus direc cu cooler, for its o/c potential /cooling.
ASUS ENGTX560 DCII


ASUS EAH6950 DCII/2DI4S/1GD5 Radeon HD 6950 1GB


196.00 vs 270.00 If you o/c them both, the 6950 is definitely faster, in some games, but its 70.00 dollars more.
I'm seeing o/c's up to 975 without voltage ! So, that means 975 is almost definite.

Maximum stable clocks of our card are 975 MHz core (5% overclock) and 1100 MHz Memory (5% overclock).

 

[Arkadrel]

196.00 vs 270.00 If you o/c them both, the 6950 is definitely faster, in some games, but its 70.00 dollars more.
I'm seeing o/c's up to 975 without voltage ! So, that means 975 is almost definite.

You can find a 6950 1gb for 223$ after mail in rebate, on newegg.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-921-_-Product

70$ more expensive?
Are you saying that there are factory overclocked 560's for ~153$ or so?
( 223$ - 70$ = 153$ )


*** Asus 560 DCII:
It uses about 30-40watts more power than the 6950, while being like 10% or more slower (a stock 6950 with plenty of oc headroom).

Still this seems like a pretty good card from nvidia, its bound to be popular.

 

[96Firebird]

You can find a 6950 1gb for 223$ after mail in rebate, on newegg.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-921-_-Product

70$ more expensive?
Are you saying that there are factory overclocked 560's for ~153$ or so?
( 223$ - 70$ = 153$ )


*** Asus 560 DCII:
It uses about 30-40watts more power than the 6950, while being like 10% or more slower (a stock 6950 with plenty of oc headroom).

Still this seems like a pretty good card from nvidia, its bound to be popular.

Its not that hard to see which two cards he is comparing, he links to them right in his post...

 

[Jionix]

These models, especially a custom one do offer some good value.
Even at launch prices.
Lets say, you like the Asus direc cu cooler, for its o/c potential /cooling.
ASUS ENGTX560 DCII


ASUS EAH6950 DCII/2DI4S/1GD5 Radeon HD 6950 1GB


196.00 vs 270.00 If you o/c them both, the 6950 is definitely faster, in some games, but its 70.00 dollars more.
I'm seeing o/c's up to 975 without voltage ! So, that means 975 is almost definite.

Umm, seeing as that only the 560 is overclocked kinda of makes the graph skewered.

An overclocked 560 is only 5% faster than a 6870, which is ~$20 or so cheaper than the 560. As soon as you overclock the 6870, the 6870 once again becomes the faster card for less money.