GTX 512 non-availability

[Polish3d]

Is it me or are these cards utter vaporware after the first initial supply? Newegg has been out since the day after release...this was the biggest letdown from nvidia since I've been buying videocards in the last year.


Also, look at this from ZZFly, reg 256mb GTX 1.6ns ram for 650.00??

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=324569

 

[Corporate Thug]

yeah, asus always overcharges

 

[Exsomnis]

GTX 512's have been plenty available here in the UK since launch, a little pricey, but not unreasonably so since all these new cards cost a kidney.

 

[mrkun]

It's been rumored that NVIDIA intentionally made only a small quantity of these cards.

 

[edplayer]

the inquirer is reporting that 2 shipments have been made and it appears that there is one shipment coming per week

 

[otispunkmeyer]

the reason for the availability is not nvidias fault per se.....they can make as many gpus for this card as you like, but with picking some recently put into production ram, (samsungs new 1.1ns ram) they are finding that there isnt enough ram to go around.

apparently in a few weeks when production of these ram chips begins to increase all should be well

 

[TecHNooB]

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
the reason for the availability is not nvidias fault per se.....they can make as many gpus for this card as you like, but with picking some recently put into production ram, (samsungs new 1.1ns ram) they are finding that there isnt enough ram to go around.

apparently in a few weeks when production of these ram chips begins to increase all should be well

absolutely right

 

[GOREGRINDER]

yeah those suckers went fast no doubt,..i was sittin at the newegg 512mb 7800gtx page with my cursur on the MSI,..starin at it for about a half an hour bouncin my knee debateing clickin the add to cart button,....then i caved and clicked it and it suddenly said " product unavailable",..refreshed the page and it was sold out,...i took that as a sign and closed the window.....lol wasnt ment to be

 

[theMan]

yeah, now you are stuck with those 2 crappy gtx 256mb

 

[Tanclearas]

As I've said in other posts, I'm most dissappointed with the hardware review sites that referred to the 7800GTX 512MB as a "hard launch", including AT. Having a handful of product on the shelves that sell out in the first day without stock being replenished for at least two weeks is not exactly what I would call a hard launch. At least one vendor has indicated they are expecting more by 12/20. That's over a month after the supposed hard launch.

 

[Exsomnis]

Tanclearas, put it this way... At least you could buy one on launch day, you'll never be able to say that about the X1800XT.

 

[nippyjun]

I just read this about the 512 gtx's

 

[Tanclearas]

And what's your point? You are presenting facts that are irrelevant to my comment.

The X1800XT was a paper launch. ATI (and review sites) never claimed it to be otherwise. Although not quite a "paper launch", the 7800GTX 512MB is far from what I would call a hard launch.

I am leaning towards Nvidia having been underhanded and deceptive with respect to the 7800GTX 512MB. It is likely that Nvidia simply told review sites that the 7800GTX 512MB would be available for purchase on launch day. While true, it is only enough truth to make Nvidia look successful. On the heals of the incredibly successful hard launch of the 7800GTX and 7800GT, review sites had no reason to believe that the 7800GTX 512MB wouldn't be available in decent quantities.

What the situation seems like more and more now is a desperate Nvidia launching their own version of a Phantom Edition card just so they can have the bragging rights to having the fastest card. I find it ironic that you can buy the X1800XT pretty much anywhere, and you have been able to pretty much since ATI's official availability date, but Nvidia's new flagship product is in tight supply, and back-orders that state it could be several weeks before they get filled.

I am dissappointed that Nvidia would follow such incredible product launches (7800GTX/GT) with something so incredibly weak. I am also somewhat dissappointed that reputable review sites simply took Nvidia at their word about product availability without investigating thoroughly.

Nvidia set the bar high for the way a product launch should be done, then ran smack into that bar without even trying to jump.

 

[RampantAndroid]

EVGA apparantly has some reserved for their Step-up participants....which I assume means they have them, they just aren't opening them to just anyone.

 

[Cheesetogo]

Originally posted by: RampantAndroid
EVGA apparantly has some reserved for their Step-up participants....which I assume means they have them, they just aren't opening them to just anyone.

hmm... maybe I should buy an mx4000 or somthing and step-up. Do they actually have them right now?

 

[Keysplayr]

Well Tanclearas, I think you should read nippyjun's link posted right above your post to let you know whats really going on instead of what the situation "seems like". It's always good to have at least some source of information before commenting about something.
GeFore 7800GTX 512's are not what is in short supply. It's the 1.1ns 144-pin memory modules that are trickling out from Samsung. Nvidia reported excellent yields of the respun G70 core and that it rivaled the 7800GTX in production. Not going to get into an argument over this with you as nippyjun's link is pretty much self explanatory.
Of course, you can choose not to believe that Samsungs 1.1 production is pitiful right now. You should not be disappointed in Nvidia at all. After all, you have one of there monsters in your rig don't you? And besides, if you were bouncing your knee deciding whether or not to hit the "Nuke" button to buy a new GTX512 and getting that troubled over it, chances are it was a sign and you really didn't need to spend that crazy money on one. /what the hell did I say?

 

[GOREGRINDER]

Originally posted by: theman
yeah, now you are stuck with those 2 crappy gtx 256mb

lol..yeah ok that sounded a little wack i know

but my reasoning was to for one do something i havnt seen anyone review or even mention,...if a 256mb 7800gtx and a 512mb 7800gtx can be SLi'd and have a greater gain than 2x256 7800gtx,..until the second 256 is replaced(in which case one of my other systems would get upgraded to 7800gtx sli 256)

because any 2 of the same chipset can be sli'd, it can have dif mem size,dif bios,dif clocks,dif manufacturer and be sli'd so why not this as well?

however i would like to see someone else do it first,..lol,..but im tempted,...so if anyone went from a 256mb 7800gtx to a 512mb 7800gtx i hope they slap em together and try it and give thier thoughts on it,...its not a big deal either way i obviously could use a new cpu before that(hopefully i can keep myself occupied until M2,but i doubt it,..the dfi sli-dr expert looks all lucious and sexy,..lol)

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Tanclearas
And what's your point? You are presenting facts that are irrelevant to my comment.

How is an article about weekly shipments OT? While having products available on launch day and every week thereafter may not constitute a "hard launch" to you, to most of us it does. Last weekend newegg had two brands in stock for a while. The problem is demand is very high.

The X1800XT was a paper launch. ATI (and review sites) never claimed it to be otherwise. Although not quite a "paper launch", the 7800GTX 512MB is far from what I would call a hard launch.

:roll:

I am leaning towards Nvidia having been underhanded and deceptive with respect to the 7800GTX 512MB.

I am leaning toward saying you are pointlessly trolling.

It is likely that Nvidia simply told review sites that the 7800GTX 512MB would be available for purchase on launch day. While true, it is only enough truth to make Nvidia look successful. On the heals of the incredibly successful hard launch of the 7800GTX and 7800GT, review sites had no reason to believe that the 7800GTX 512MB wouldn't be available in decent quantities.

:roll: What BS they were available from several vendors on launch day, and before, for that matter. If you had your way nVidia would have kept them secret till they reached some level of production you declared sufficient, and a bunch of people would have bought $600-$700 X1800XTs only to find out how totally owned that card is a few weeks later.

What the situation seems like more and more now is a desperate Nvidia launching their own version of a Phantom Edition card just so they can have the bragging rights to having the fastest card. I find it ironic that you can buy the X1800XT pretty much anywhere, and you have been able to pretty much since ATI's official availability date, but Nvidia's new flagship product is in tight supply, and back-orders that state it could be several weeks before they get filled.

No demand = high supply Tanclearas. Why don't you sell your GTX and get one of those "great" X1800XTs?

I am dissappointed that Nvidia would follow such incredible product launches (7800GTX/GT) with something so incredibly weak. I am also somewhat dissappointed that reputable review sites simply took Nvidia at their word about product availability without investigating thoroughly.

Oh noes- oh yeah- who cares? LOL Tanclearas is miffed! nVidia should make a public apology to Tanclearas on worldwide tv, because only Tanclearas is allowed to define "hard launch"! :roll:

Nvidia set the bar high for the way a product launch should be done, then ran smack into that bar without even trying to jump.

Well this was a worthwhile post. not

 

[lopri]

Honestly the situation isn't too terrible for me. I bought 2 GTX 512s on launch day, and thanks to its less-than-stellar availability the regular GTX price hasn't really come down much. I still have one more GTX (256) and hope the price of GTX 512s doesn't come down until I sell it.

 

[Marcdaddy]

They have been in stock at the brick and mortar Tigerdirect down the street from my house since i bought my 2 before they were officially launched. Sometimes a phone call never hurts sometimes the inventory online is different from there stock depending on the site.

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Well Tanclearas, I think you should read nippyjun's link posted right above your post to let you know whats really going on instead of what the situation "seems like". It's always good to have at least some source of information before commenting about something.
GeFore 7800GTX 512's are not what is in short supply. It's the 1.1ns 144-pin memory modules that are trickling out from Samsung. Nvidia reported excellent yields of the respun G70 core and that it rivaled the 7800GTX in production. Not going to get into an argument over this with you as nippyjun's link is pretty much self explanatory.
Of course, you can choose not to believe that Samsungs 1.1 production is pitiful right now. You should not be disappointed in Nvidia at all. After all, you have one of there monsters in your rig don't you? And besides, if you were bouncing your knee deciding whether or not to hit the "Nuke" button to buy a new GTX512 and getting that troubled over it, chances are it was a sign and you really didn't need to spend that crazy money on one. /what the hell did I say?

Nvidia decided to use that memory KNOWING that it was in short supply. I remember people saying that ATI's GPU problems were not ATI's fault, becuase of a 3rd party error, but the Nvidia fanboys still attacked ATI based on that.

The fact is that your trying to make up excuses for Nvidia. Nvidia needs no excuses. It chose that type of memory to run. Without the new memory, the benchmarks would not have been as favorable, as the next memory was 1.2, which I assume will run at 1500 based on ATI's experience clock of their 1.2ns memory.

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Well Tanclearas, I think you should read nippyjun's link posted right above your post to let you know whats really going on instead of what the situation "seems like". It's always good to have at least some source of information before commenting about something.
GeFore 7800GTX 512's are not what is in short supply. It's the 1.1ns 144-pin memory modules that are trickling out from Samsung. Nvidia reported excellent yields of the respun G70 core and that it rivaled the 7800GTX in production. Not going to get into an argument over this with you as nippyjun's link is pretty much self explanatory.
Of course, you can choose not to believe that Samsungs 1.1 production is pitiful right now. You should not be disappointed in Nvidia at all. After all, you have one of there monsters in your rig don't you? And besides, if you were bouncing your knee deciding whether or not to hit the "Nuke" button to buy a new GTX512 and getting that troubled over it, chances are it was a sign and you really didn't need to spend that crazy money on one. /what the hell did I say?

Nvidia decided to use that memory KNOWING that it was in short supply. I remember people saying that ATI's GPU problems were not ATI's fault, becuase of a 3rd party error, but the Nvidia fanboys still attacked ATI based on that.

The fact is that your trying to make up excuses for Nvidia. Nvidia needs no excuses. It chose that type of memory to run. Without the new memory, the benchmarks would not have been as favorable, as the next memory was 1.2, which I assume will run at 1500 based on ATI's experience clock of their 1.2ns memory.

but that wasn't nvidias fault

OMG nvidia are perfect, i love nvidia

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Hacp
Nvidia decided to use that memory KNOWING that it was in short supply. I remember people saying that ATI's GPU problems were not ATI's fault, becuase of a 3rd party error, but the Nvidia fanboys still attacked ATI based on that.

The fact is that your trying to make up excuses for Nvidia. Nvidia needs no excuses. It chose that type of memory to run. Without the new memory, the benchmarks would not have been as favorable, as the next memory was 1.2, which I assume will run at 1500 based on ATI's experience clock of their 1.2ns memory.

LOL- yeah- they should have used the slower memory and made a slower card. Makes sense to me- curse them!

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: dug777
but that wasn't nvidias fault

OMG nvidia are perfect, i love nvidia

As well you should Dug777.

 

[fierydemise]

Rollo no one here is saying nVidia should have used slower memory, they're just saying that the lack of availability of the 512 MB GTX can't be blamed on Samsung because nVidia chose to use the fast memory to make the card faster.