gtx 480 @ 857 core is really impressive!

[happy medium]

I was reading this review with the gtx 480 with a dash of extra voltage ,and I was impressed.

This chip seems to have so much more potential.
It looks like at 900 core it will overtake the 5970.
Mabe it needs some driver tweaks also?

http://www.guru3d.com/article/overclocking-geforce-gtx-480-with-extra-gpu-voltage/1

 

[Madcatatlas]

At 900 core, it will also need a heck of alot cooling, resulting in more noise and higher power consumption. And unless you watercool that thing, i kinda expect a gtx8xxx series 2 year to meltdown scenario happening again.

Compare it to an overclocked 5970 at 900 or 1000 core (do they go as far as 1000 on the core?) and it will still trail behind. Amirite?

 

[happy medium]

The gtx 470 was also benched with some extra voltage. Just wow! Beating the 5870 90% of the time and totally and completely beating the shit out of the 5850.

http://www.guru3d.com/article/overclocking-geforce-gtx-470-with-extra-gpu-voltage/2

It's really ashame these chips run so warm.
I guess if you allready have water cooling this is the way to go.
Mabe some aftermarket cooling will help.

Edit : I'm really just impressed how well they scale with extra mhz and a small amount of voltage..

 

[Lonyo]

It does seem to scale really nicely with increased core/shader clocks, memory not so much.

I did laugh at this line:

Bare in mind that we breached the 250W TDP now and we are hovering at roughly 300 Watt power consumption on the GTX 480.

They broke the 250w TDP before they touched anything.

 

[happy medium]

It does seem to scale really nicely with increased core/shader clocks, memory not so much.

I did laugh at this line:


They broke the 250w TDP before they touched anything.

Yea, It seems with a 20% overclock you get 19% more fps.
Made me go over and look at the new Danger Dan gtx 480 water blocks. :sneaky:

 

[Soccerman06]

The gtx 470 was also benched with some extra voltage. Just wow! Beating the 5850 consistantly.

http://www.guru3d.com/article/overclocking-geforce-gtx-470-with-extra-gpu-voltage/2

It's really ashame these chips run so warm.
I guess if you allready have water cooling this is the way to go.
Mabe some aftermarket cooling will help.

Edit : I'm really just impressed how well they scale with extra mhz and a small amount of voltage..

hm too bad its only testing 1900x1200 in the graphs.

 

[happy medium]

The gtx 470 was also benched with some extra voltage. Just wow! Beating the 5870 90% of the time and totally and completely beating the shit out of the 5850.

http://www.guru3d.com/article/overclocking-geforce-gtx-470-with-extra-gpu-voltage/2

It's really ashame these chips run so warm.
I guess if you allready have water cooling this is the way to go.
Mabe some aftermarket cooling will help.

Edit : I'm really just impressed how well they scale with extra mhz and a small amount of voltage..

Fixed. dont worry . I'm not knocking your company.

 

[happy medium]

hm too bad its only testing 1900x1200 in the graphs.

Yea If I was one of the 3% of the world gaming at 2500x1600 i'd worry.

Back on topic .....


How bout that scaling!

 

[SHAQ]

The worst it did was 10% slower than the 5970. It ties or beats it in almost evey case. $200 less and AFAIK the 5970 is 300 watts also right? And Nvidia's drivers are new.

 

[Madcatatlas]

lol, shameless fermi praise is what this is happy medium. Do carry on

 

[happy medium]

The worst it did was 10% slower than the 5970. It ties or beats it in almost evey case. $200 less and AFAIK the 5970 is 300 watts also right? And Nvidia's drivers are new.

Yea it's really a shame the 40nm process screwed these chips up.
Could have been another 8800gtx.
The refresh should be sweet.

 

[Arkaign]

Promising. If Nvidia can do a refresh on this architecture, it's going to be a real winner, depending on what is coming next from ATI. The heat/power scare me away, so I'm happy for now with 5770.

 

[happy medium]

lol, shameless fermi praise is what this is happy medium. Do carry on

No shame in my game bro.

Really though, I was really surprized.

It's a shame these chips are so hot and power hungry.

Edit: I'm thinking what if the gtx 460 scales like this?

 

[Lonyo]

The worst it did was 10% slower than the 5970. It ties or beats it in almost evey case. $200 less and AFAIK the 5970 is 300 watts also right? And Nvidia's drivers are new.

Better to compare it to 2xHD5850 since that gives equal performance to an HD5970, while being $100 cheaper and 100000x more available.

HD5970 is junk, especially at the price it's listing for.

 

[SHAQ]

They may not allow overvolting on the 460. We'll see. Well, 5850 XFire is dual slot. The 480 and 5970 fit in one slot. And with the 480 you don't have to worry about Xfire and scaling issues, microstutter etc.

 

[thilanliyan]

The scaling is not surprising I think. If the shaders are more efficient than ATI's shaders then a corresponding increase in frequency should result in higher gains for nV's shaders relative to ATI's.

 

[nitromullet]

lol, shameless fermi praise is what this is happy medium. Do carry on

The fact of the matter is that while Fermi does run a little hot, it isn't the failure most of the red team were hoping it would be. It's late, hot, and a little hard to come by right now; but that aside it's a solid chip that performs well.

 

[RussianSensation]

The gtx 470 was also benched with some extra voltage. Just wow! Beating the 5870 90% of the time and totally and completely beating the shit out of the 5850.

An overclocked GTX470 does scale well, but please don't spin the numbers the way you want to see them. Here are actual results:

1. 5870 was faster than an OCed GTX470 in 3 out of 8 games: BF:BC2 (53 vs. 52 fps = +2%), Dirt 2 (76 vs. 69 fps = +10%), and Anno: 1404 (75 vs. 66 fps = +14%). So that means a GTX470 OC at most won 5 out of 8 games, or 63%. How did you get 90%?

2. Examining the games in which GTX470 OCed was faster, the performance difference was less than when 5870 won and hardly noticeable to any gamer. These included: CoD : MW2 (121 fp vs. 127 = +5%), RE5 (109 vs. 114 fps = +5%), and Crysis: Warhead (45 vs. 48 fp = +7%).

So more or less in 6 out of 8 games tested, the performance between 5870 and a 27% overclocked GTX470 was rather similar, with GTX470 OCed never exceeding the 5870 by more than 5%, and 5870 never exceeding GTX470 OCed by more than 14%.

3. This means a 27% overclocked GTX470 only convingly provided better framerate in Far Cry 2 (+32%) and Just Cause 2 (+22%). This is not surprising of course because even a GTX285 is faster than 5850 in both of those games. Of course if the reviewer chose STALKER: CoP: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/geforce-gtx-480_9.html#sect1 or Stormrise: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/geforce-gtx-480_7.html#sect3, then the conclusion would have been reversed.

The point is some games run faster on NV and some games run faster on ATI. Choose a videocard which performs best in the games you want to play.

Having said that, it is hard to recommend 5850s at anything above $320+ considering how poorly 5xxx series performs in any title with tessallation (Metro 2033, Alien vs. Predator, etc.). At $280-$290, 5850 is easier to recommend vs. a $350 GTX470.

 

[Grooveriding]

Yeah what's not to like about the comparison of overclocked cards to ones that are not overclocked. Give us a break.

And no 2560x1600 ? Why ? We're at the point now where all the new cards are starting to be overkill at 1920x1200.

Nice cherry picked benches :thumbsup:

If you'd like I can show you some of my own of 5870 CF absolutely crushing gtx 480 at 2560x1600 or link you to some of the 5970 doing the same. No wait, you just want to see these ones.

 

[Lonyo]

So, all the things they missed... and you people complain about only overclocking one card per set of tests?

I would say the bigger flaws are the lack of temperature figures (both stock and water), the lack of power figures, and the lack of investigation into how the cards react to overclocking. They didn't look at how memory vs core overclocks affect things.
They didn't do anything to look at minimum frame rates.

 

[happy medium]

An overclocked GTX470 does scale well, but please don't spin the numbers the way you want to see them. Here are actual results:

1. 5870 was faster than an OCed GTX470 in 3 out of 8 games: BF:BC2 (53 vs. 52 fps = +2%), Dirt 2 (76 vs. 69 fps = +10%), and Anno: 1404 (75 vs. 66 fps = +14%). So that means a GTX470 OC at most won 5 out of 8 games, or 63%. How did you get 90%?

2. Examining the games in which GTX470 OCed was faster, the performance difference was less than when 5870 won and hardly noticeable to any gamer. These included: CoD : MW2 (121 fp vs. 127 = +5%), RE5 (109 vs. 114 fps = +5%), and Crysis: Warhead (45 vs. 48 fp = +7%).

So more or less in 6 out of 8 games tested, the performance between 5870 and a 27% overclocked GTX470 was rather similar, with GTX470 OCed never exceeding the 5870 by more than 5%, and 5870 never exceeding GTX470 OCed by more than 14%.

3. This means a 27% overclocked GTX470 only convingly provided better framerate in Far Cry 2 (+32%) and Just Cause 2 (+22%). This is not surprising of course because even a GTX285 is faster than 5850 in both of those games. Of course if the reviewer chose STALKER: CoP: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/geforce-gtx-480_9.html#sect1 or Stormrise: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/geforce-gtx-480_7.html#sect3, then the conclusion would have been reversed.

The point is some games run faster on NV and some games run faster on ATI. Choose a videocard which performs best in the games you want to play.

Having said that, it is hard to recommend 5850s at anything above $320+ considering how poorly 5xxx series performs in any title with tessallation (Metro 2033, Alien vs. Predator, etc.). At $280-$290, 5850 is easier to recommend vs. a $350 GTX470.

I wasn't spinning I was more or less joking.

 

[RussianSensation]

I wasn't spinning I was more or less joking.

hehe my bad, time to turn on my joke meter :awe:

While an OCed GTX470is about as fast as a 5870 give or take +10%, an OCed TX480 is a beast. Fermi II refresh should be a formidable videocard - one I actually look forward to!

 

[happy medium]

Yeah what's not to like about the comparison of overclocked cards to ones that are not overclocked. Give us a break.

And no 2560x1600 ? Why ? We're at the point now where all the new cards are starting to be overkill at 1920x1200.

Nice cherry picked benches :thumbsup:

If you'd like I can show you some of my own of 5870 CF absolutely crushing gtx 480 at 2560x1600 or link you to some of the 5970 doing the same. No wait, you just want to see these ones.

The purpose of my post was how well the gtx scaled when overvolted and overclocked.

I compared a overclocked gtx 480 to a 5970.
It's the only thing it compares to, right?

98% of us use 1900x1080 or lower, so stop blowing smoke.

I could show you bechies of overclocked sli gtx 480's beating crossfired 5970's, so what's your point?

This is not a ATI vs gtx thread. We all know the gtx is faster.

 

[yh125d]

Yeah what's not to like about the comparison of overclocked cards to ones that are not overclocked.

It's a talking point, nothing more. You can't really use the logic of "I can OC a GTX470 and be faster than a 5870 for $70 less" to make purchasing decisions, because you could similarly OC a 5870 and be faster than a GTX480 for $80 less. They're fun to talk about on the forums but noone should base purchases off of benchmarks where one card is OCd and the other isn't.


(not saying you are, just stating that it seems like some people do this)

 

[pmv]

It's good news for everyone, surely, as it increases the probability that something genuinely impressive might come from Fermi a little further down the line, with a die shrink, no?

Can anyone explain to this neophyte, though, why a gpu might _not_ 'scale' with increasing clock speed?

What are the factors that prevent you simply increasing a gpu's performance by x% by simply increasing the clock speed x% (assuming its not memory limited, or assuming you can increase the memory x% also)?

Are there parts of the GPU's pipeline that are fixed speed and don't simply increase with clock speed then?