gtx 475 released after they sell off gtx470 chips. FUdzilla

Genx87

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Wouldnt surprise me. They have a core that is more gamer friendly from their accounting perspective. Moving supply. I was surprised after the 460 was released that the 470s were going sub 300.
 

scooterlibby

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I would love it if they managed to get two 384 shader GF104 chips on single PCB and make a GTX495.
 

SHAQ

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Much less shaders yet faster. hmmm How much VRAM will it have though? Still 1280mb?
 

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It never ends!!!!! My 470 is obsolete!!! Must upgrade!!!

There have been several moments where I nearly pulled the trigger on some $250-275 gtx470 deals that have been appearing regularly. But I've held strong and I think when a fully unlocked GF104 makes it out I'll be glad I waited. It'll be interesting to see what Nvidia prices the new gt475/gtx475 (whatever it'll eventually be denominated). I'm guessing $275-280...
 

edplayer

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is it likely that they will have less overclocking potential than the 460s?
 

Dribble

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Not convinced a 384 core GF 104 chip is fast enough to be a GTX 475. If you just took todays GTX 460 and added the cores you'd get a GTX 465. The only way it would ever beat a GTX 470 is with extreme overclocking.

Seems more likely they are going to replace the GTX 465.
 

toyota

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Not convinced a 384 core GF 104 chip is fast enough to be a GTX 475. If you just took todays GTX 460 and added the cores you'd get a GTX 465. The only way it would ever beat a GTX 470 is with extreme overclocking.

Seems more likely they are going to replace the GTX 465.
even the gtx460 already matches or beats the gtx465 so what you are saying makes little sense. really its just simple math. with 384sp it would only take a shader speed of 1400 to match 448sp at 1200. the gtx475 will likely be clocked at 725 to 750 core which means 1450-1500 for the shaders. the gtx475 will have more tmus than a gtx470 and they will be clocked higher. next even with only 32rops it would only take a speed of 750 to match the 40rops at 600 that the gtx470 currently has. next the memory would only have to be at 4200 on the 256bit card to match the 3350 on the 320bit gtx470. depending on the final clocks its likely that the rop and especially memory bandwidth could be slightly lower than a gt470 but the gtx475 will still match or beat it in overall performance.
 
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Or they could just keep the clocks the same as the 460, add ever so slightly faster memory, call it a GTX 465 and keep them cheap. Then like the 460 enthusiasts could o/c them to 470 speeds if they wished. That sounds more likely imo.

I think it's very likely there will be a GTX 475 and 485 but they will have the 448/512sp using a new core based on the GF104 architecture.
 

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Or they could just keep the clocks the same as the 460, add ever so slightly faster memory, call it a GTX 465 and keep them cheap. Then like the 460 enthusiasts could o/c them to 470 speeds if they wished. That sounds more likely imo.

I think it's very likely there will be a GTX 475 and 485 but they will have the 448/512sp using a new core based on the GF104 architecture.

The new card will be what the gtx480 is to the gtx470 - more stream processors and a faster core clock. They're binning cards right now that can run all 384 shaders at high clock rates with low voltages so the TDP doesn't get out of control. 13% more shaders, with all available shaders working 10-15% faster will make the chip compare favorably to a gtx470.
 

toyota

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Or they could just keep the clocks the same as the 460, add ever so slightly faster memory, call it a GTX 465 and keep them cheap. Then like the 460 enthusiasts could o/c them to 470 speeds if they wished. That sounds more likely imo.

I think it's very likely there will be a GTX 475 and 485 but they will have the 448/512sp using a new core based on the GF104 architecture.
that doesn't make much sense at all and will likely not be the case. considering there has not even been a rumor of another higher end new chip, the second part of your comment isn't happening either. a gtx475 based off the full 384sp version of the gf104 is pretty much a no brainer.
 

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The new card will be what the gtx480 is to the gtx470 - more stream processors and a faster core clock. They're binning cards right now that can run all 384 shaders at high clock rates with low voltages so the TDP doesn't get out of control. 13% more shaders, with all available shaders working 10-15% faster will make the chip compare favorably to a gtx470.
Only for shader limited situations. The GTX 460 already has all of its ROPs enabled, so you won't benefit in situations where you're ROP limited or where you're memory bandwidth limited (since NVIDIA can't push their memory controller much faster anyhow). Plus you have to take in to consideration that GF104 is Superscalar while GF100 is not - GF104 has a harder time reaching its peak theoretical FLOPs than GF100 does.
 

happy medium

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even the gtx460 already matches or beats the gtx465 so what you are saying makes little sense. really its just simple math. with 384sp it would only take a shader speed of 1400 to match 448sp at 1200. the gtx475 will likely be clocked at 725 to 750 core which means 1450-1500 for the shaders. the gtx475 will have more tmus than a gtx470 and they will be clocked higher. next even with only 32rops it would only take a speed of 750 to match the 40rops at 600 that the gtx470 currently has. next the memory would only have to be at 4200 on the 256bit card to match the 3350 on the 320bit gtx470. depending on the final clocks its likely that the rop and especially memory bandwidth could be slightly lower than a gt470 but the gtx475 will still match or beat it in overall performance.

I would also take into account that the gf104 chip seems to do 800 core with ease, with low voltage. By clocking the chips higher it should beat the gtx470 and provide a cheaper solution to compete with the 5870. It also leaves less overclocking headroom for the gtx 475 which leaves the gtx 480 the top dog.
 

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Does the steup program require you buy from the website? Or are all EVGA products covered regardless of where you buy them?


All evgas. When you register your product the option is in your profile under step-up
 

edplayer

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Or they could just keep the clocks the same as the 460, add ever so slightly faster memory, call it a GTX 465 and keep them cheap. Then like the 460 enthusiasts could o/c them to 470 speeds if they wished. That sounds more likely imo.


They can't be cheap. The current cards already have msrp of $199 and $229, so they are already pushing the envelope for mid-range cards. Adding anything and it should be more expensive.

I think they should try to put out as good a card as they can and price it at $299 or so. It will be faster than the 5850 and hopefully get a price war going
 

Capt Caveman

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Does the steup program require you buy from the website? Or are all EVGA products covered regardless of where you buy them?

As Petey mentioned, it can be from any vendor. You register the card and have 90 days to request a step-up. You are usually limited to the vanilla model of any faster card.

You have to mail in your card and a copy of your sales invoice. Then they send you the card you stepped-up to.
 

faxon

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They can't be cheap. The current cards already have msrp of $199 and $229, so they are already pushing the envelope for mid-range cards. Adding anything and it should be more expensive.

I think they should try to put out as good a card as they can and price it at $299 or so. It will be faster than the 5850 and hopefully get a price war going
yea this is exactly what im expecting as well. given how well GF104 clocks, with some good binning they could get 5870 level performance out of GF104 if they wanted to, but more likely they will use those GPUs to put together a dual gpu board to take the 5970 down a notch and leave that price point to the remaining GF100 GPUs, since they will still keep producing them for quadro and tesla cards anyway. all this stuff about ceasing production of GF100 makes no sense at all when you consider it's the GPU they're using for tesla and quadro. my prediction is as follows: GTX475 will come out, faster than the 5850 but slower than the 5870, just like the 470 was, but with lower power draw and heat output, and much higher GM, making it more profitable. GTX480 will stick around most likely until southern islands launch as the nv single GPU halo part, and they will release a dual 460 selective binned part (with higher clocks) to beat the 5970 and take back the single card performance crown depending on which one does the job while making them the most money. when southern islands comes out, depending on what kind of performance boost it brings, we will probably see nvidia release a 485 finally (if needed and if they can) which will be a fully enabled GF100 core, and if AMD refreshes their dual GPU part then a dual GTX475 part along the same lines as the dual 460 to counter that as well. this of course is assuming all goes according to plan for both parties, but whatever happens, the final outcome will no doubt be a price war. there is also the possibility that southern islands will just be a midrange refresh to fill the gap between the 5770 and 460 (since the 5830 will probably be discontinued eventually), and if they do release a new high end part it will be at a later date. so far there's enough info floating around to back this up as a possibility, but if ATI doesnt refresh the high end and nvidia executes the way im predicting with GF104 parts, it will put a pretty big dent in ATI sales unless ATI can ramp it up enough on the marketing side of things.

this is all just speculation of course, but if it happens, remember, you heard it here first! given nvidia's luck recently i could end up being completely off base and everything could go horribly wrong, but its entirely possible anyway. another possibility is that nvidia goes straight for the crown with a dual 475 part (the way they did with the 275/295), and leaves it to their partners to release a dual 460 part on their own dime a la the sapphire 4850x2 from last gen