GTX 470 vs GTX 460

[KevinH]

I've looked at the reviews but in real world useage, how close or far apart are they? The only reason why I even bring this up because there is a user here that claims it's nearly twice as fast:

http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2271569&page=4

 

[blastingcap]

I've looked at the reviews but in real world useage, how close or far apart are they? The only reason why I even bring this up because there is a user here that claims it's nearly twice as fast:

http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2271569&page=4

A GTX470 is NOT twice as fast. Look up your preferred resolution here to compare. Although this is for the GTX460-768MB, it has bar charts for 1GB version as well as GTX470:

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Axle/GeForce_GTX_460_768_MB/31.html

For instance, at 1920x1200, the GTX470 is about 33 percent faster than a GTX460-768MB, and 23 percent faster than the GTX460-1GB (133 divided by 108).

 

[Destiny]

:'(That was an awsome deal and I just picked it up. I was shopping around for an ATI 5850 till I saw this deal...

http://www.amazon.com/Geforce-Graphi...6014065&sr=8-3

Just hope it fits my build... I think my case is only 18.5 inches long.

I also only have a 550 watt powersupply that I just bought... I'm praying that I won't need a new CASE and PSU...D:

 

[bunnyfubbles]

are you sure that's the right link? $316.99 isn't a good deal for the GTX470.

Maybe you meant to post this link: http://www.amazon.com/ gp/product/B003FP09JO/

*edit* wow, looks like the AT forums refuse to allow posting the deal for the $230 GTX470...copy+paste+remove space

 

[Destiny]

are you sure that's the right link? $316.99 isn't a good deal for the GTX470.

Maybe you meant to post this link: http://www.amazon.com/ gp/product/B003FP09JO/

*edit* wow, looks like the AT forums refuse to allow posting the deal for the $230 GTX470...copy+paste+remove space

Yeah... I posted the same link on a deal website and the link worked and linked directly to the deal. But I guess AT doesn't allow that here.

I got the ASUS GTX 470 1280MB for 229 + 9.95 Shipping on AMAZON

Plus this $20 MIR
$20 MIR http://www.overstock.com/downloads/pdf/Asusvga.pdf

Which Made it $219... I just completed my build Last month anticpating a price drop for an ATI 5850... but I saw this deal and my order went through on AMAZON...I couldn't pass it up.

 

[Attic]

I paid that much for my 460, nice deal.

To OP 460 doesn't have the heat or noise issues the 470 has been labled with by some users. The 460 when overclocked performs close to 470 levels.

 

[RussianSensation]

The same poster said that 470 is slower than the 480 by 8%. What a joke. GTX480 is around 25-30% faster than the GTX470. Even overclocked to 800mhz (i.e., 32%), the GTX470 is still barely as fast as the GTX480.

GTX470 is about 20% faster than GTX460 1GB (stock reference clocks). However, GTX460 has higher texture fill-rate. Depending on the game, this difference may shrink (Civilization 5) or increase (Metro 2033 with Tessellation). At $220 I'd pick the 470 myself over the 5850, but some GTX460 1GBs can be found for $170, still making them a better price/performance mid-range card at this time.

I think there is confusion here. You can't measure things linearly when it comes to SLI/CF. For example, if you take an HD5770 and double its theoretical performance, it will be faster than a GTX470. However, CF doesn't scale 100%. We know that a single GTX470 is about as fast as dual HD5770s in the real world. But can you claim that a single GTX470 is 2x faster than a single HD5770? Not entirely correct imo. (That's the flaw in the argument which assumes when you CF 2x 5770s, they have perfect scalability).

Similarly, if one considers an overclocked GTX470 @ 800mhz, it will come pretty close to GTX480 in speeds. Well a GTX480 is often as fast as a GTX460 768/1GB in SLI (again due to less than 100% efficiency of SLI), but generally loses by 20% to SLi 460 1GB. Someone may be able to make claims such as "an overclocked 800mhz GTX470 is 80% of the stock GTX460 SLI setup". This is what that poster really wanted to say I believe (which is not the same as saying a stock GTX470 is 2x faster than a single GTX460).

Of course a GTX460 can also be overclocked, and beat a GTX470 (check out the latest Xbitlabs article on Palit overclocking). Thus, comparing a GTX470 overclocked to GTX480 speed to a stock GTX460 SLI setup is also misleading

 

[3DVagabond]

As far as 5770 crossfire scaling goes, I guess it depends on how you look at it. For example, a 5770 is 1/2 of a 5870 and 5770 crossfire matches performance of the 5870. From that point of view it scales perfectly. I think it's more to how the ATI architecture scales than crossfire. Of course that presents us with the cup is half full or empty scenario. Is a single 5770 faster than it should be, because it's not 1/2 the performance of a 5870? Or, are 2x 5770 slower than they should be, because they aren't 2x as fast as a single card?

 

[iGas]

Real world frame rate from what I gather around the web (not mhz), pending game/overclock ability of card/resolution :

OC gtx 460 1GB is 13~20% in crease over that of reference speed.

OC gtx 470 is 4~11% in crease over that of reference speed.

GTX 470 in frame rate is 12~44%, average at 15~30% faster than gtx 460 1GB reference.

Therefore at best the gtx 460 1GB OC to the hilt would be as fast as the gtx 470.


See here for GTX 460 vs. 470 comparison


PS. That is an awesome deal.

add:

GTX 460 SLI vs. 470 is -3%~44%, average 20% +/-5%.

 

[Destiny]

The deal is dead... but I hope my order goes through and its not another ASUS Video Card pricing error fiasco... D::'(

 

[RussianSensation]

OC gtx 460 1GB is 13~20% in crease over that of reference speed.

I disagree. :hmm: I have no idea where you found these numbers. Unlike HD5000 series, Fermi has nearly perfect performance scaling with GPU frequency growth.

"Overclocking a GeForce GTX 460 1GB from its reference frequencies to 900/1800 MHz [33% GPU overclock] resulted in average:

28% faster performance at 1600x900
30% faster performance at 1920x1200
33% faster at 2560x1600.

At 2560x1600 GTX460 @ 900mhz was 9% faster than the GTX470.

Average performance gain between 3 resolutions: 30%

OC gtx 470 is 4~11% in crease over that of reference speed.

What? A GTX470 @ 800 mhz is about as fast as a GTX480, that's a 25-30% increase...and it scales just as well as a GTX460. The problem is GTX470s run too hot @ 800mhz on stock air cooling and far few even get to that overclock. Scaling on the 470 is no worse than the GF104 since essentially it's the same architecture.

 

[muskie32]

Would this not be a better deal? $306 - $30 MIR + Free game = $276 (with free shipping&Free game) ?

 

[tweakboy]

Real world I would say a little OC to the 460 and there would be no difference between it and 470. 460 OCes well for benchmarks but real world honestly,, 460 or 470 your not gonna tell a difference, these GPU's are ahead of their time. Well speaking of which get used to these cards cuz its gonna be another 1 year before nvidia releases new gen cards. Following their 2 year plan. Soo essentially two years after the 480 they introduce or will introduce the 5xx series. Their gonna ride the 480 all way out and say SLI pownz with 480's and gimmicks and publicitiy stunts etc.

AMD is 1 year ahead of nVidia , how sad.

 

[tweakboy]

hey muskie 276 with free game sounds better. You will enjoy it.