Gtx 460?

[taltamir]

So, any rumors on a date for when we can expect a version with a few less shaders, slower clock, and better thermals, price, and power consumption? (I invented the 460 moniker, it just seemed to fit, if there is a name known, please share it)

 

[faxon]

there is both a 460 and a 465 product planned for launch. keep an eye on computex. one of them is a GF100 derivative with more parts disabled, but the other is a GF104 based part that should have better power usage and higher clocks vs GF100

 

[taltamir]

thank you, I guess my naming guess was right on the money ...
what is known about the GF104 so far?
and how would I keep an eye on computex?

 

[Scali]

Computex is a big computer show. It is expected that nVidia introduces these cards there on the 2nd of June.
I've already seen them available for pre-order with various webshops.

 

[edplayer]

(I invented the 460 moniker, it just seemed to fit, if there is a name known, please share it)

I invented the word "pwn"

 

[v8envy]

Latest news on the 465:

352 Cuda cores
48 TMUs
32 ROPs
607 mhz GPU clock
801 mhz DDR5, 256 bit

Which in theory would put it exactly at 5830 performance, plus or minus a few % depending on the game. Pricing has been rumored at $259.

No reliable rumors on the 460, but estimated to be a 512 core fermi chopped exactly in half (just like the 5770 is 1/2 of a 5870) and expected to perform much like a 5770. Pricing rumored to come in at $200.

 

[edplayer]

No reliable rumors on the 460, but estimated to be a 512 core fermi chopped exactly in half (just like the 5770 is 1/2 of a 5870) and expected to perform much like a 5770. Pricing rumored to come in at $200.

if that is close to accurate it will still suck because you can find the 5770 for $160 everyday and if you check deal forums, for as low as $135 or so (for the 1GB version).

 

[v8envy]

if that is close to accurate it will still suck because you can find the 5770 for $160 everyday and if you check deal forums, for as low as $135 or so (for the 1GB version).

A $40 MSRP premium for a slightly faster card with all the other value-add of Fermi architecture. And Linux support. Street prices may be more competitive.

I'm with you though, I won't be buying one of those either. I've resigned myself to "enjoying" my overclocked 8800GT for yet another product cycle. The performance of the 5770 and 460 isn't/won't be better than our last midrange (read: 4870 and GTX260), and if I didn't find those a compelling enough reason to upgrade through all of 2009 I sure as hell won't be doing it mid way through 2010.

Here's hoping black friday 2010 won't suck anywhere nearly as bad as 2009.

 

[taltamir]

I invented the word "pwn"

I misspoke, I meant to say I just guessed that the next card from nvidia would be called GTX460 based on their previous naming schemes, but that I have no actual data on the naming, only my own intuition.

if that is close to accurate it will still suck because you can find the 5770 for $160 everyday and if you check deal forums, for as low as $135 or so (for the 1GB version).

my bet is that its due to the nvidia "MSRP" scam... they are giving a kickback to OEMs by setting MSRP well above market value (to allow them to charge the clueless more) and then FORBID anyone who wants to sell those from ADVERTISING a lower price... this is why you need to "click to see price in card" in newegg and amazon for nvidia cards sold below MSRP (which will be all of them).

Anyways, I wonder at the temps on those... and would they be a worthwhile upgrade from a GTX260

 

[toyota]

Latest news on the 465:

352 Cuda cores
48 TMUs
32 ROPs
607 mhz GPU clock
801 mhz DDR5, 256 bit

Which in theory would put it exactly at 5830 performance, plus or minus a few % depending on the game. Pricing has been rumored at $259.

No reliable rumors on the 460, but estimated to be a 512 core fermi chopped exactly in half (just like the 5770 is 1/2 of a 5870) and expected to perform much like a 5770. Pricing rumored to come in at $200.

shouldnt that be 44 TMUs?

 

[kimball2002]

Looks good on paper

 

[toyota]

Looks good on paper

the 465? actually that looks pretty bad and will probably be no better than a 5830 in most cases. the gtx470 barely beats the 5850 and the gtx465 will give up an additional 96sp,12tmu and 8rop so I dont see what looks good about it. heck this $250+ card is barley going to be faster than my 18 month old gtx260 that I paid way less than $200 for back then.

 

[happy medium]

Latest news on the 465:

352 Cuda cores
48 TMUs
32 ROPs
607 mhz GPU clock
801 mhz DDR5, 256 bit

Which in theory would put it exactly at 5830 performance, plus or minus a few % depending on the game. Pricing has been rumored at $259.

No reliable rumors on the 460, but estimated to be a 512 core fermi chopped exactly in half (just like the 5770 is 1/2 of a 5870) and expected to perform much like a 5770. Pricing rumored to come in at $200.

your statement makes no sense!

So you are saying a 256 shader part is going to be half the gtx 480 but = a 5770? Well if the gtx 480 is faster then the 5870,how would that be possible?

The gts 460 will be faster then the 5770.

The 5830 is only 10% faster then a 5770, so how will a part with 100 more shaders (gtx465) then the gts 460 be only equal to a 5830.

In short you are saying .....

A gts 460 with 256 shaders = 5770 which is only 10% slower then a 5830 but somehow a gtx 465 part with 100 more shaders then a gts 460 is only going to be 10% faster?

Good Luck.

Edit:
half of a gtx 480= gts 460 (225$)= 5830 220$
A gtx 465 (270$)= gtx 285, which is in between a 5830 and 5850.
Thats my best guess from the rumers I've read.
Nvidia is positioning themselves right in between ATI's lineup for a higher price.

 

[MentalIlness]

And as much as I like Nvidia myself, I have a feeling these new cards will be punted about 54 yds.

I'm still deciding between a 460 and a 5770 myself.

I have been wanting to upgrade for almost a year now. I originally wanted a GTX 470, so I waited for months after the ATI cards shipped. And to "me"....not sure if I should keep on waiting for the 460 or not, or just jump now on a ATI part.

Need some more info on the NV 460 soon. By the end of the month, I will be upgrading though.

 

[Attic]

I run 5770 for 1920x1080, great card, great for media centre and gaming. I'd gladly take a bit more performance though. Hope your waiting pays off.

 

[MentalIlness]

I will be playing on a 40" Samsung 1920x1080. However, I do have a Crossfire motherboard. But if the 460 outperforms the 5770 at that res, then it will def be a possibility. Need some reviews now. After Computex, how long does it usually take to be available in e-tail ?

I have a new case being designed out of plexi, and the new hardware will be going with it.

I hate making decisions on PC hardware.

 

[happy medium]

I will be playing on a 40" Samsung 1920x1080. However, I do have a Crossfire motherboard. But if the 460 outperforms the 5770 at that res, then it will def be a possibility. Need some reviews now. After Computex, how long does it usually take to be available in e-tail ?

I have a new case being designed out of plexi, and the new hardware will be going with it.

I hate making decisions on PC hardware.

I'm in the same boat with crossfire so I just bought a used 5750 for 85$ to hold me till I make a upgrade decision.

Well you will see leaked reviews around web soon and the gtx 465 is releasing June 2. At least thats what they say. The lower end gts 460 after the gtx 465 later in June.

 

[nenforcer]

Here's hoping black friday 2010 won't suck anywhere nearly as bad as 2009.

Black Friday, don't you mean Cyber Monday? No wonder you had such a bad year.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

your statement makes no sense!

So you are saying a 256 shader part is going to be half the gtx 480 but = a 5770? Well if the gtx 480 is faster then the 5870,how would that be possible?

The 5770 is faster than 50% of the 5870's performance, and is why two of them in CF are often hands down faster.

The 5830 is only 10% faster then a 5770, so how will a part with 100 more shaders (gtx465) then the gts 460 be only equal to a 5830.

For the same exact reason why the 5830 with 320 more shaders than the 5770 is only 10% faster.

You really do have your head stuck up nV's ass.

 

[taltamir]

the 465? actually that looks pretty bad and will probably be no better than a 5830 in most cases. the gtx470 barely beats the 5850 and the gtx465 will give up an additional 96sp,12tmu and 8rop so I dont see what looks good about it. heck this $250+ card is barley going to be faster than my 18 month old gtx260 that I paid way less than $200 for back then.

This is a real concern... Prices don't always go down. SSDs went up in price for quite a while, ram prices are a lot higher then they were 1-2 years ago (I miss the 30$ 2x2GB sticks with 20$ MIR), and video cards with performance equivalent to 2 years ago for the same price as 2 years ago looks to be coming next.
Meanwhile both TSMC and Global foundry fail epicly to develop a new process, canceling two proposed processes already in favor of "skipping a process". Intel is producing chips that consume less power but are not actually (significantly) faster but are significantly more expensive...

damn. It feels like I will be stuck with my current rig for freaking ever! RIP moore, it was fun while it lasted.

EDIT: this ofcourse depends on which of the GTX460 or the GTX465 is the the GF104 and which is the GF100 with more missing hardware
I have heard rumors that claim either way.

 

[v8envy]

your statement makes no sense!

So you are saying a 256 shader part is going to be half the gtx 480 but = a 5770? Well if the gtx 480 is faster then the 5870,how would that be possible?

We don't know the clocks on the 460 but they're widely expected to be higher than the 465. 725 mhz is within the realm of likely. There isn't a huge performance gulf between the 5770 and 5830 so it's very possible NV is shooting for the same small performance delta between the 460 and 465 (until the 465 goes away).

Since we don't know the full details on these cards you could very well be right. They could be positioned to fill the holes between the 5770 and 5850 in ATI's lineup. But they could just as easily be competing with the ATI SKUs. The midrange is a huge market, and competing for the lion's share of that pie makes sense.