GTX 460 (factory OCed @ 815/1630) vs HD 6870 (stock speed)

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Arkadrel

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I like [H]OCP its one of the very fiew non biased review sites.

most other review sites have a preferance towards one or the other, and sometimes it reflect in their reviews.

People that say the 6850 is a slower card than a 460 1gb are lying or in denial.


2 out of 6 of the 460 cards can reach 850mhz stable... EVGA 460 FTW is a cherry picked chip... and it costs what a 6870 does and when thats overclocked its equally strong or better than the 460 @850mhz.
 
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I do to but but he is such an ass. But he does appear to be up front . Right or wrong I respect that.
 

Arkadrel

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Hot damn that is a sexy XFX 6850!
Gpu 820-->1025 mhz core, mem 1100->1175.

GPU oc by 25% ^-^

In vantage it scores about 20% extra from that OC.
Its beating the 460@810 mhz by a good bit.

And vantage usually favors nvidia cards a tiny bit, so results in games would be bigger.

XFX make nice cards it seems, nvidias loss that they lost them.

from kitguru:
"Have to hand it to XFX< they are showing their worth as a partner for AMD. nvidia must be crying into their cornflakes."

that had me lmao.
 
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Why in some reviews the 6800s are faster than the GTX460/470 but in others are slower...I just don't get it, even on similar hardware those GPUs reviews are just too disparate...

I think i'll wait and see in the nest weeks what is coming (mostly custom coolers like the Vapor-X 6850/6870).

Well here ware I and most others in this forum differ. You want to believe its honest mistake . I see it for what it is . Bias and or money exchange or both. The next review will tell the tail . If they include AMDS O/C parts comparred to NV referance design . It all good . If it does not than I think most here will be sickened by the truth that can't be denied. In the case of the 580 by NV . The review sight have to include any Factory O/C 6950 or 6970s . That would be exactly the same thing that just occurred except at the high end. I would perferr seeing factory O/C 6950s going against NV 580. I pick the O/C 6950 for the win.
 
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Arkadrel

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if this happends (which it looks like it will):

6990>6970>580>6950>570...

and you test OC 6950 vs a 580, you might see the 6950 win over the stock clocked 580 in reviews at launch date.

I hope they show a factory overclocked 6950 vs a stock 580 on nvidias launch day!
It would be payback for unfair play by nvidia and I would love to see it.
 

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Hot damn that is a sexy XFX 6850!
Gpu 820-->1025 mhz core, mem 1100->1175.

GPU oc by 25% ^-^

In vantage it scores about 20% extra from that OC.
Its beating the 460@810 mhz by a good bit.

And vantage usually favors nvidia cards a tiny bit, so results in games would be bigger.

XFX make nice cards it seems, nvidias loss that they lost them.

from kitguru:
"Have to hand it to XFX< they are showing their worth as a partner for AMD. nvidia must be crying into their cornflakes."

that had me lmao.

Makes me glad i went with the xfx 6850 from newegg last night. I was still a bit on the fence about the purchase. A part of me wanted to go for the 6870 instead, and not roll the dice with being able to OC the 6850. but did some checking and it seems the 68XX series has some really good oc potential.
 

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Well here ware I and most others in this forum differ. You want to believe its honest mistake . I see it for what it is . Bias and or money exchange or both. The next review will tell the tail . If they include AMDS O/C parts comparred to NV referance design . It all good . If it does not than I think most here will be sickened by the truth that can't be denied. In the case of the 580 by NV . The review sight have to include any Factory O/C 6950 or 6970s . That would be exactly the same thing that just occurred except at the high end. I would perferr seeing factory O/C 6950s going against NV 580. I pick the O/C 6950 for the win.

if this happends (which it looks like it will):

6990>6970>580>6950>570...

and you test OC 6950 vs a 580, you might see the 6950 win over the stock clocked 580 in reviews at launch date.

I hope they show a factory overclocked 6950 vs a stock 580 on nvidias launch day!
It would be payback for unfair play by nvidia and I would love to see it.


See, I differ. I too think it was a really crappy idea to include O/C cards (especially a massively O/C card that had just had a price reduction that same day and was sent in by the competing company... Never mind, I digress) in a reference card review that I would rather it never happens again. I don't even want a make up review. I think it was bad and 2 wrongs aren't ever going to make a right (Of course, 3 lefts will :)). I'd rather nip it in the bud than watch it snowball out of control.
 

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Ya its a nice O/C but 1 problem I am seeing from differant sites is were they choose to bottlenick. Its easy enough to do . The site you just linked . Boost that intel 950 up to 3.8 ghz and watch the rest of the results change in a big way. Lost planet was pourly done in that review . AT more or less skipped threw that one so It caught my att. right away . As I said almost 2 years ago . In 2010 reviews will become a joke. They have in fact been exactly that . the Cpu side were not going core against core anymore its dollar for dollar or even worse its thread for thread . What happened to intigrety. I can change the results to look anyway I want by knowing were a system bottlenicks GPU or CPU . and which cards benefit from each. Just think of the people who read ATs 6800 review thinking they can get same results as AT got using a stock AMD cpu. LOL. Not happening. Just run the stock stuff guys . Many people read these reviews and don't know any better . 90% to be exact or close enough.
 

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5770x2 CF(stock core/mem) vs 460@1,000mhz core.
149$x2 = 298 vs 215$

Most tests the 2x5770 beat the 460 MSI card.
However its by a tiny amount, and doesnt justify the price differnce.

overall 1x460 MSI super overclocked version better value than 5770x2 stock speeds.


I still think that 6580x2 is the single best value of ANY grafics card(s) you can get. If you have CF and the money for it, getting a pair of them will make sure your set for a good 2years or so.
 

Arkadrel

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See, I differ. I too think it was a really crappy idea to include O/C cards (especially a massively O/C card that had just had a price reduction that same day and was sent in by the competing company... Never mind, I digress) in a reference card review that I would rather it never happens again. I don't even want a make up review. I think it was bad and 2 wrongs aren't ever going to make a right (Of course, 3 lefts will :)). I'd rather nip it in the bud than watch it snowball out of control.


your takeing the high road?
What if Nvidia starts pulling dirty stunts like that every launch then?
As if they dont have enough bullsh*t with them doing stuff to games so they run bad on amd cards, on purpose.

then theirs the small things like:
If you use 2nd card in your pc as a physx card, fine. It works.... BUT if the software detects your primary is a amd card, Sorry software disables physx for no reason.
 

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See, I differ. I too think it was a really crappy idea to include O/C cards (especially a massively O/C card that had just had a price reduction that same day and was sent in by the competing company... Never mind, I digress) in a reference card review that I would rather it never happens again. I don't even want a make up review. I think it was bad and 2 wrongs aren't ever going to make a right (Of course, 3 lefts will :)). I'd rather nip it in the bud than watch it snowball out of control.

In this case 2 wrongs will make a right . But I knew someone would say what your saying . Thats exactly what will occur. The review sites will say they goofed on the last one so they will stop . Its a masterful buy off. But it is what it was . dishonest and will likely not be repeated which is even more dishonest . It has to go full circle or it won't be completed. SO than who does it come back at . Not NV they the winner in this offensive release. So were does it come back to, in order to go full circle? Family member, job health were does it come full circle . We reap what we sow. Undeniable truth.
 

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your takeing the high road?
What if Nvidia starts pulling dirty stunts like that every launch then?
As if they dont have enough bullsh*t with them doing stuff to games so they run bad on amd cards, on purpose.

then theirs the small things like:
If you use 2nd card in your pc as a physx card, fine. It works.... BUT if the software detects your primary is a amd card, Sorry software disables physx for no reason.

None of that is any good for the consumer. It's all designed to stifle competition and unfairly tilt the playing field. Plus, it adds another layer of complexity to the review. Reviewers seem to be hard pressed enough to get comprehensive reviews done on time. It's also another way unethical reviewers/manufacturers can manipulate reviews. More of it is not a good thing. No matter who's doing it.
 

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Lifer
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your takeing the high road?
What if Nvidia starts pulling dirty stunts like that every launch then?
As if they dont have enough bullsh*t with them doing stuff to games so they run bad on amd cards, on purpose.

then theirs the small things like:
If you use 2nd card in your pc as a physx card, fine. It works.... BUT if the software detects your primary is a amd card, Sorry software disables physx for no reason.[/QUOT

Don't worry much about that one As NV will soon be in court over this. If you buy a NV card for Physx . It refusses to do it because ATI is main card . NV is toast on this . Were just holding off for time reason more cards sold and more people angry about it . We had 4 law firms wanting this one . All said its open and shut case.
 

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In this case 2 wrongs will make a right . But I knew someone would say what your saying . Thats exactly what will occur. The review sites will say they goofed on the last one so they will stop . Its a masterful buy off. But it is what it was . dishonest and will likely not be repeated which is even more dishonest . It has to go full circle or it won't be completed. SO than who does it come back at . Not NV they the winner in this offensive release. So were does it come back to, in order to go full circle? Family member, job health were does it come full circle . We reap what we sow. Undeniable truth.

I don't think it accomplished as much as some people are concerned about. I think AMD is going to sell butt loads of 6800 cards, because in the end, they are an excellent card.

By pushing this O/C thing and dropping pricing, nVidia has effectively nailed the coffin shut on the GF100 cards. Not even nVidia fanboys can recommend the GTX-480 any more. The real hard core ones can still find some value in the 470 to push. They'll just hop on the tessellation/gpgpu/OC bandwagon and schlep a few more of them off. The GTX-480 though is dead. The 470 is on life support. This is what this marketing move has done for nVidia.

It did get us $20 bucks off of some shiny new AMD cards though. I guess it's not all bad. :p
 

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Don't worry much about that one As NV will soon be in court over this. If you buy a NV card for Physx . It refusses to do it because ATI is main card . NV is toast on this . Were just holding off for time reason more cards sold and more people angry about it . We had 4 law firms wanting this one . All said its open and shut case.

Im all for this happening but who is "WE"?
 

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Ok boys and men, let's settle this debate another way.

The linked GTX460 is $225.
The linked HD6870 is $245.

You can get a Sapphire HD6850 for $185. The HD6870 is suddenly a whooping 32% more expensive. At 900mhz overclock on the HD6850 vs. 1000mhz overclock on the HD6870, the performance difference ~ 15%. The stock cooler on HD6870 is also louder than an aftermarket cooler of the HD6850. So HD6850 easily wins this price/performance battle.

Next, GTX460. If we assume that most GTX460s will overclock from 810mhz (linked card) to 850mhz with ease, that OC on the 460 puts us at HD6870 performance level on average (+/-5% w/e). Of course 900mhz HD6850 is also near HD6870's performance level. This basically means that HD6850 @ 900mhz will be within 5% of the GTX460 @ 850mhz. Therefore, why would be pay an extra 22% more ($225 vs. $185) for similar performance? The only answer is to get a potentially higher overclock on the GTX460 from 850mhz. That doesn't make any sense once you consider that you can't get much more than another 5%-9% from here vs. 22% price increase. HD6850 also has lower power consumption. Therefore, HD6850 wins again.

HD6850 @ $185 is the winner!!! ding ding ding. :thumbsup:
 
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Arkadrel

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Ok boys and men, let's settle this debate another way.

The linked GTX460 is $225.
The linked HD6870 is $245.

You can get a Sapphire HD6850 for $185. The HD6870 is suddenly a whooping 32% more expensive. At 900mhz overclock on the HD6850 vs. 1000mhz overclock on the HD6870, the performance difference ~ 15%. The stock cooler on HD6870 is also louder than an aftermarket cooler of the HD6850. So HD6850 easily wins this price/performance battle.

Next, GTX460. If we assume that most GTX460s will overclock from 810mhz (linked card) to 850mhz with ease, that OC on the 460 puts us at HD6870 performance level on average (+/-5% w/e). Of course 900mhz HD6850 is also near HD6870's performance level. This basically means that HD6850 @ 900mhz will be within 5% of the GTX460 @ 850mhz. Therefore, why would be pay an extra 22% more ($225 vs. $185) for similar performance? The only answer is to get a potentially higher overclock on the GTX460 from 850mhz. That doesn't make any sense once you consider that you can't get much more than another 5%-9% from here vs. 22% price increase. HD6850 also has lower power consumption. Therefore, HD6850 wins again.

HD6850 @ $185 is the winner!!! ding ding ding. :thumbsup:


^ very much agree on that.... 6850 is the best bang of the buck of any card you can buy on the market right now.

Whats crazy is 2 of them (in CF) is even more bang/buck.
 

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I know this is a bit OT but. Rememberthe Fcc lawsuite against intel . Out of all the BS rules intel agreed to only 1 stuck in my mind. Only one that has impact. Intewl has to furnish 1 pci-e connection for the next 5 years. Why did this even come up? Heres what we know . Intel did infact agree to this. But it doesn't have to be pci-e 3 or even 2 it can be a pci-e 1. FCC goofed up here.

So whats this all about . Its easy its about Haswell. Haswell will have a vector engine on die like larrabee. To help out in many areas from open cl, AVX , graphics.

Knights corner we might see on Pci-e. But my bet would go on a socket. Not pci-e. If that happens look for intel to cut pci-e down to the 1 version so as to bottlenick NV in the high end server market . Intel only has to supply 1 pci-e slot. I looking for AMD to do what MS did on the 360 on the first fusion parts if MS lets them. I forget the proper name for that buffer but soon enough both AMD and intel will be using this sort of thing to get needed bandwidth ,NV has pushed everybody away and played badly . Its going to come back at them .
 

Arkadrel

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I know this is a bit OT but. Rememberthe Fcc lawsuite against intel . Out of all the BS rules intel agreed to only 1 stuck in my mind. Only one that has impact. Intewl has to furnish 1 pci-e connection for the next 5 years. Why did this even come up? Heres what we know . Intel did infact agree to this. But it doesn't have to be pci-e 3 or even 2 it can be a pci-e 1. FCC goofed up here.

So whats this all about . Its easy its about Haswell. Haswell will have a vector engine on die like larrabee. To help out in many areas from open cl, AVX , graphics.

Knights corner we might see on Pci-e. But my bet would go on a socket. Not pci-e. If that happens look for intel to cut pci-e down to the 1 version so as to bottlenick NV in the high end server market . Intel only has to supply 1 pci-e slot. I looking for AMD to do what MS did on the 360 on the first fusion parts if MS lets them. I forget the proper name for that buffer but soon enough both AMD and intel will be using this sort of thing to get needed bandwidth ,NV has pushed everybody away and played badly . Its going to come back at them .



LMAO that is some fun reading... can Intel do that and not get in trouble for horrassing nvidia? purposefully bottleneck them with slow PCIe 1.0's. Wont this hurt intel themselfs though? They might sell less motherboards/cpus if true. Unless by then, most people are useing APU's from either Intel or AMD.

So that ll mean nvidia card buyers would need to sell to amd motherboards? That might cost them a few cards sales, as people usually go amd cpu + gfx card (ppl that buy amd cpus). Also if Intel did a move like that, would AMD follow suit so it worked?


Intel and AMD APUs, Intel going PCIe 1.00 so they dont lose server market to GPGPU from nvidia. ^-^ Where does nvidia go?
 
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Relooking at the benchs, the HD 6850, for it's price and OC room, is MUCH more appealing now...In most games the 6850 is slower but not that much compared to the 6870 and would be even less after some Ocing.

It's failry faster than the HD 5770, has a little more features, better tesselation, same temps, heat and noise and it's HD 6000 series!

Are the 960 Stream processing units on the 6850 compared to the 1120s on the 6870 can be bad in the long run?

sorry, all of our posters seem to be arguing with each other instead of trying to actually help you out.

go with 6870 if you don't want to OC. go with 6850 if you want to oc.
 

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LMAO that is some fun reading... can Intel do that and not get in trouble for horrassing nvidia? purposefully bottleneck them with slow PCIe 1.0's. Wont this hurt intel themselfs though? They might sell less motherboards/cpus if true. Unless by then, most people are useing APU's from either Intel or AMD.

So that ll mean nvidia card buyers would need to sell to amd motherboards? That might cost them a few cards sales, as people usually go amd cpu + gfx card (ppl that buy amd cpus). Also if Intel did a move like that, would AMD follow suit so it worked?


Intel and AMD APUs, Intel going PCIe 1.00 so they dont lose server market to GPGPU from nvidia. ^-^ Where does nvidia go?

Sure they can if intel pushies the knights corner onto a socket intel for economics reasons can cut all those pci-e traces off the M/B which saves both space and cost . Intel needs to supply 1 pci-e slot of there choice . Intel simply has to say it was for cost and space they did this . Of course they can't say we did this just to screw NV over. Hay its going to happen on amd M/Bs befor it does on intel . Amd is heading to sockets also and they don't have to wait 5 years they can do it when there ready. Amd is big on these co processor sockets . Recall all the hopla a couple years back about this .