1080ti it’s a decent upgrade that you will actually notice
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GTX 1070 Ti Thread (Reviews and Benchmarks)
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Isn't this late? From a company with such great execution, Nvidia should have had this out before Vega came out. Not that it matters much given Vega availability/price/etc., but this is definitely a lot later than I'd expect.
But Nvidia now has a card at every single price and perf level, and will push as many cards as possible before Vega 11 comes out next year. I wouldn't be surprised to see Nvidia make some moves at the low end or price the GTX 1070 below $400 as Vega 11 comes closer.
Otherwise I mean... it's been over a year. This is just a smart move to utilize the better yields to release a more refined/better product.
But Nvidia now has a card at every single price and perf level, and will push as many cards as possible before Vega 11 comes out next year. I wouldn't be surprised to see Nvidia make some moves at the low end or price the GTX 1070 below $400 as Vega 11 comes closer.
Otherwise I mean... it's been over a year. This is just a smart move to utilize the better yields to release a more refined/better product.
They're just looking at it from their point of view. I don't think the people are uninformed, they're just not looking at it from your view point. Just enlighten them to other scenarios that aren't their own.
I commend you on this noble, idealistic viewpoint and agree, but it's usually* not very fruitful to try and enlighten others when they see the world from their own scenario.
This is why there are brand partisans (Nvidia, AMD, Intel, Apple, Google, ... take your pick) even in the tech world where you would think people would be a little more pragmatic (buy what suits your needs, recommend others choose what suits their needs) about matters.
This is why we have this forum and then two subforums specifically for AMD and Nvidia (which is where the other 1070 Ti thread is, for anyone who missed it). It's just easier for us to assume other people must be "stupid" for not liking what we like, or not making the same decisions we make, and this leads to uncivilized and unproductive debates and flaming.
Which is too bad, because honestly I wish we didn't have to split these threads over three forums. Anyway, my mini rant is over - back on topic. 🙂
* Still worth doing, just bear in mind there will be friction
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I would be curious as to how it works with mining, specifically zcash and Eth, compared to the 1070 and 1080. With regular GDDR5 (not the X variant), this could be very interesting for miners as well. I am surprised there is not more out there about this.
Mine is coming in today. First thing I'll test, both stock and OCed. All the reviewers seem reluctant to talk about it, since it would antagonize some of their gaming audience. Which is annoying, because plenty of us small fry miners are gamers, too.
If I were you I’d look for a used 980 Ti as a hold over until next gen comes out. 980 Ti is still an excellent card for 1440p and even better when overclocked.
Not a bad option, but I'd rather pay for a 1070 Ti because:
- you never know how the prior owner treated the card in regards to voltage, clock speeds, and thermals, and even if it's under warranty it's a pain to deal with a dead or dying card
- it may not even be under warranty
- a 1070 Ti will probably hold its value better (especially if it mines well)
In general, used will save you money on most products, and for computer parts it's especially a good option since most parts don't see much cosmetic wear. But for the GPU (say, versus a non-delidded CPU) I tend to think it's worth buying new. But that's just me, and it depends on how generous the discount is.
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Despoiler
Golden Member
I'm really not sure what you are getting at like tenial said. You buy a Vega 56 or upgrade your 5 year old rig with a new CPU/mobo/ram. I would do the later if I was in your position. For the GPU, the performance is equal between the V56 and the 1070ti, the V56 is $50 cheaper, Pascal is last gen tech, there is literally no reason to buy a 1070ti over a V56. V64 is also faster than a 1080 by a bit and can be as fast as a 1080ti in a few games as well as all of the aforementioned. There is no reason to buy a 1080. If you can afford a 1080ti then there is a case for that because it's still the performance king. If you want to stay with Nvidia, but don't have the cash for a 1080ti then it's going to be better overall to wait for Volta consumer cards. I would also advise that if you are looking at a 1080ti. Having a fully supported or at least a supported first card is part of the benefit when you buy into a new architecture from AMD or Nvidia.
It's a bit odd to release it now, but it shows A) how much money Nvidia has to blow and B) Nvidia is driven by epeen. They could have easily spent less money and done an ad buy or review buy to promote their overclocked partner cards against V56. However there is a C) the AIB Vega cards are close to release. Maybe Nvidia isn't late and they released the 1070ti to compete against those.
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happy medium
Lifer
The gtx1070ti seems to gain an extra 11% performance in actual gaming benchmarks on average when overclocked in many reviews. Depending on the game 9 to 13%. Memory overclock is needed for the best overclocking performance also.
Okay, looks like the 1070 Ti isn't any better than the 1070 for mining, or at least not for Ethereum. I'm getting around the same hashrate using Claymore 10.1 that I was with my old EVGA 1070 cards.
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Moderate overclock above, since I don't have time at the moment to test a bunch of settings and tweak it properly, but it at least it confirms what I'm seeing posted elsewhere now. I also need to test other cryptocurrencies, though UFDisciple posted a video showing his results using NiceHash:
It's a little disappointing that the hashrate isn't higher for Ethereum, but it's still not bad for others like Monero. I'm happy with my Zotac Mini if it handles games close to 1080 level (have to try some games later, too), it's just a side benefit if it's profitable for mining. Temp is very reasonable in open air (ambient is pretty cool, though, at 65F /18C).
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Moderate overclock above, since I don't have time at the moment to test a bunch of settings and tweak it properly, but it at least it confirms what I'm seeing posted elsewhere now. I also need to test other cryptocurrencies, though UFDisciple posted a video showing his results using NiceHash:
It's a little disappointing that the hashrate isn't higher for Ethereum, but it's still not bad for others like Monero. I'm happy with my Zotac Mini if it handles games close to 1080 level (have to try some games later, too), it's just a side benefit if it's profitable for mining. Temp is very reasonable in open air (ambient is pretty cool, though, at 65F /18C).
UsandThem
Elite Member
I don't disagree with anything he said there but I wonder how he'd feel if that was an LG product..
PeterScott
Platinum Member
I thought it was just typical Linus: pointless whiny over-reaction.
The card was obviously built to compete with Vega 56 and there is nothing wrong with that. Just like the Vegas were setup to directly compete with GTX 1080/1070. This is just a mild tweak in the product stack to better compete with Vega 56.
The card comes so close to the GTX 1080 in HW specs and with factory overclocks it would be faster than some GTX 1080, so you can't get a factory OC out of the box. So it makes sense NVidia would want to preserve the view that the 1080 was still the better card. But the user can still OC them for better results.
UsandThem
Elite Member
I agree with your thoughts as well for the most part. This card, like any card made, was to entice people to buy cards. A "new" sku, along with the advertising, reviews, and buzz goes a long way, and Nvidia hasn't really had anything in a while show up.
So I think with this card they hope the miners buy some to do what they do, and maybe entice people with older GPUs to finally upgrade with the "ti" designation, which hasn't been seen on midrange for a while. Although if a person doesn't mine, a GTX 1080 on sale still would be the better gaming card. Since they require all AIB partners to clock them exactly the same, I guess it will come down to the silicon lottery on how individual cards will overclock.
It will sell more cards for Nvidia, at a higher profit margin, and it finally got AMD to price their cards at MSRP......at least for now.
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bryanW1995
Lifer
I can afford to buy whatever I want, but I'm cheap and I have certain things that are important to me. Specifically, I only care about performance at 2560x1440, I don't like to waste money, and I don't like loud video cards.
As far as wanting to "stay with Nvidia" as you said, look at my signature. I probably lean a bit towards amd if anything, though over the past 20 years I'm 50/50 on getting nv vs amd cards.
Once you know whether you're willing to buy a Gsync monitor, the whole decision becomes vastly more easy.
bryanW1995
Lifer
I'm really happy with my 2560x1440 dell, though it's not one of the gsync ones. Let's assume that I'm not willing to spend any money on a new monitor for the foreseeable future, but noise is my top priority. What then?
You've put a criteria that leaves you with only one option.
The real question is what monitor upgrade would actually make you upgrade monitors because it's not that you can't afford a new monitor, you're just not willing to buy one.
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Gpu options are as follows
Gsync+1080ti (the king)
Freesync+580
Freesync+Vega
580/1060 (equivalents who cares)
Vega 56
1070ti
Gsync + any Nvidia gpu not a 1080ti (luxury I prefer Nvidia option).
Just go down the list til a gpu option suits your needs. That covers every good option out I believe.
1070ti isn't bad. I just think every person should have a freesync gsync upgrade plan in mind.
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After gaming on a Gsync 1440p 144hz monitor and a 1080ti I've become really spoiled. I came from a 480 and 144hz Freesync 1080p and wow... what an amazing difference. Of course I paid serious $$$ as well but the 1080ti will pay for itself in under a year and I'll hang onto the monitor until quality 4k HDR, 144hz monitors have all the bugs worked out and decent prices and GPUs have progressed to the point where they can actually drive 4k 144hz. That's probably 2019/2020 so I'll be very content until then.
tamz_msc
Diamond Member
Maybe he doesn't find it compelling enough - plenty of people don't. Nothing surprising. Same thing can be said about ultrawide, for example.
Expanding the scope of my argument, but still keeping it limited to gaming, same things can be said about mechanical keyboards, VR, etc.
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XMan
Lifer
I'm not a serious gamer; most of what I do on my PC is video editing and desktop publishing. Picture quality and screen size are far more important to me than high refresh rate gaming.
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