SO your saying it should be 15$ less? thats about 8% right?Uhh.....What are you talking about?
Yeah, when the card is 8% slower.
No, it sucks because it's slower than a card that's 11 months old, it sucks because it comes at a time when ATI is launching new cards, it sucks because it's priced about the same as the 11 month old card that beats it.So this card sucks because of 5$ difference in price /performance?
That's not saying much considering the 5770 was cool and quiet to begin with. 3-4 celsius difference does not impress me. And the noise levels are about even.Well it runs cooler and quieter, is that worth 5$?
Which is more reason why this card is pointless.you know the market is too damn saturated with similarly performing cards when we are arguing about 5-10 bucks for price/performance.
Well, 'at launch' doesn't mean a whole lot in this case. Nvidia's launch is much later then AMD's 5770 and 5750 launch so it has to be cheaper since it's not faster and wants to have any chance at selling.I still cant find this 100$ 5770? I tried google.
Without rebate best price I found was $140, these cards go for $130 AT LAUNCH.
So 8 percent less performance for 10$ less? Is that soooo bad?
It'd be one thing if a card was 10% slower and 5% cheaper then another. Likely those cards would be close enough that who would care? One is cheaper and slower than the other. But in this case, after manufacturers rebates are considered, the GTS 450 is slower and more money. I think that's what a lot of the posts are about. Not that it's slower than a nearly year old mid range part, but that it's not cheaper at the same time. 10% slower and 10% more expensive make a card not very attractive (numbers just an example).you know the market is too damn saturated with similarly performing cards when we are arguing about 5-10 bucks in price/performance.
Yes , I agree.Without rebate, $140 vs. $130 is close enough to not matter. It's slower, it's cheaper. But, there are rebates available for the 5770, I have a feeling that Nvidia's partners will offer the same for the 450's because these cards aren't likely to move without them, just my guess.
$100 was just a guesstimate, but after looking, the lowest price in the past has been $113 AR with free shipping for the 1Gb 5770. There is a 1GB 5770 right now for $120 AR:Did you mean 5750 near the 100$ mark? At the cards target res. 1600x1050 the gts450 is faster then the 5750 but slower then the 5770.
the stuttering doesn't have much to do with the framerate number shown up top in that video. He actually uses different resolutions and AA levels to get both setups to around 30 fps. Thats besides the point. Someone who is really into gameplay, framerates, etc.. someone with a knack for competitive first person shooters online, or someone who uses really high fps or refresh rates on old games could easily tell the difference in the two videos. The dual gpu is showing the infamous "microstutter". Imagine the single gpu showing frame 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 to infinity with a .001ms gap between showing each frame. Then the dual gpus render frame 1, .006ms later frame 2, .019ms later frame 3, .001ms later frame 4, so-on and so-on. That gives multi gpu a hitchy/choppy feel, even if the fps is higher than the single gpu...Not trying to dispute that SLi 460 may stutter, but from that video you linked, both setups are clearly stuttering/inadequate.
Look at the left screen in the first 25 seconds. 5870 clearly isn't running the game smoothly either. That's not a surprise considering both are barely breaking 30fps in a FPS. I remember playing Crysis at 1920x1080 2AA in that exact area and my 4890 would do 28-31 fps, stutter fest. Personally, I found 45 fps the bare minimum in Crysis to achieve anything one can call smooth.
As far as GTS450 goes, I still prefer the 5770 over it. However, with so few $$ between them and the 460 768mb, I'd skip eating out a couple of times to get 40%+ performance increase. Both GTS450/5770 just show how much better the 460 768mb is!
Crysis doesn't need to run at sky high FPS to run smooth, it has some motion blur effects that even at 20fps, feels like 25-30fps. Microstuttering is an inherent issue with all multi GPU solutions,Tempered, I wasn't saying that GTX460 SLI wasn't stuttering. I was just pointing the fact that 5870 wasn't running smoothly to me. I don't play any games professionally. At the same time I would never play any FSP game at 30 fps. Therefore, such video was less than helpful. I would have liked to see GTX460 SLi running a game at 50-70 fps and then seeing the so-called microstuttering. Even without microstuttering, the setup was choppy to begin with. Therefore, it's impossible to say if the cards were too slow in the first place, or driver issues are at work.
GTS 450 consumes 6W less than the HD 5770 and 3W less than the HD 5750.SO your saying it should be 15$ less? thats about 8% right?
So this card sucks because of 5$ difference in price /performance?
Well it runs cooler and quieter, is that worth 5$?
The person you quoted said you can get a 5770 for about 100$.
i heard 67xx will be out next month, any chance for 5830 to drop to ~$130 soon? now its $159-189. Will AMD insist x8xx be more expensive than x7xx despite the generation gap?There won't be anything in this price bracket replacing either the 5770 or gts450 for a long time. Just buy it now and ebay it later if you have to.
Na I think there is a gts 455 that will compete with the 5770. AT least thats what the rumors say. Its supposed to be a further cut down gf104 core . (cut down gtx 460 model)but the fact is, the gts450 will be competing vs the 5770 probably for the next few months,
What happened to your I-don't-speculate-about-mythical-upcoming-cards -stance?Na I think there is a gts 455 that will compete with the 5770. AT least thats what the rumors say. Its supposed to be a further cut down gf104 core . (cut down gtx 460 model)
This card is meant to compete with the 5750.
I believe Nvidia with smack that card in between a 5770 and 5830.
Seems possible but its just a rumor.
The 5770 is priced that way now.No, it sucks because it's slower than a card that's 11 months old, it sucks because it comes at a time when ATI is launching new cards, it sucks because it's priced about the same as the 11 month old card that beats it.
Caught him in his own trap! Hehe.And this mythical GTX455 has what to do with GTX450?
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