GTS, GF2 MX, and TNT2 all recommend revision 2 agp slots, interesting

[bozack]

something I didn't know, and could have potentially caused problems with my allready problematic bh6. Glad I got the radeon

 

[vss1980]

It does pay to do your homework, especially if it's related to anything $100+

 

[GL]

That's weird! I'm using an Abit Siluro GF2 MX with no problems on an Asus P2L97 (LX chipset...circa 1997).

-GL

 

[Jeff H]

I'll second the weirdness <g>. I have a Hercules ProphetII MX retail card happily running on an Abit BH6 rev1.02 board. No problems whatsoever.

 

[bozack]

Well the sites for the gf2 mx's never said flat out they would not work in a board which had a revision 1 slot, but they never said they would, all they indicated was that they required an agp rev 2 slot for functionality. ATI also said the same thing on their page but if you go into the FAQ on the radeon they specifically state the radeon will work on a revision 1 board, however they do not guarantee compatibility and they mention there is a possible if not most definate performance loss.

Also I have yet to hear any stories of someone with a radeon and an agp revision 1 slot not functioning, however with the gf2 mx boards I have heard quite a few instances of people being unable to use the card because of motherboard compatibility and insufficient wattage going to the agp slot

 

[Doomguy]

Uh bozack the GF2 mx only uses 4 watts. Thats 1/4 of what the geforce ddr used. Any motherboard can handle that small load.

 

[bozack]

all I am saying is that under &quot;system requirements&quot; on the hercules site they specifically say agp revision 2 slot is required. And I have heard numerour reports of people with older motherboards not being able to use a mx while a radeon will infact work, why this is I am not sure but I do know that on ati's site they say under the faq that the radeon will work with a revision 1 motherboard, this is something the gf2 mx does not say anywhere

 

[bozack]

wow now the video section of this board is even sponsored by ati, cool if that isnt selling out I dont know what is, next off topic will be sponsored by Mcdonalds

 

[Hawk]

Nah, he's still more for Nvidia. =)

 

[merlocka]

I've set up a few Geforce cards on BH6's and BX6v2.0's without stability issues. I haven't tried the MX yet, but I would assume since it draws less current that it would be ok. Just speculating, however.

 

[tops2]

i have an old motherboard, fic503+ and its supposed to be agp rev1 compatible. i tried the hercules mx on it and it kept crashing...
went back to my old old 2d-4meg diamond card...
time for a new computer!
=)

 

[jpprod]

AGP 2.0 = AGP4X/Fast Writes complicant slot. If GeForce2 MX would require AGP 2.0 slot, it wouldn't for example work on any i440BX or AMD-750 motherboard. This is certainly not the case.

 

[bluemax]

Ack! I have a BH6! I'm now worried whether or not the Gladiac MX will work with it? I can't see why not, even if only in AGP 2x mode...
Wattage can't be a problem, that V3-3500TV must have sucked way more juice than the MX!
It's on order and should be here next week...
Tell me if I should cancel.

 

[Jeff H]

bluemax, get that sucker and let it rip <g>! I'll be most surprised if you have any issues w/ it. Strongly consider running one of the later nVidia reference drivers. I have ver 6.31 on a Hercules ProphetII MX retail, and it cooks. Remember to get the Coolbits reg edit so you get the clock/memory sliders.

 

[bozack]

I have heard of 0 problems running a radeon on an older style board or a v3, v5 due to power consumption. However I have head of quite a few problems with gts's, and even MX's not wanting to work but radeons and voodoos will.

And the revision is more than a speed difference it is also power.

I am not saying you cannot use a mx on a agp 1.0 slot, just saying that they were never spec'd to work in a 1.0 slot.

 

[xtreme2k]

MX doesnt requires rev2 slot
all it means is that it can run in AGP4x

but then it is compatible with AGP2x

i got a GTS and it is running on a AGP rev1 Abit BX6/2 no problem

 

[kelesh3]

i have a visiontek geforce 2 gts 32 mb. the hercules equivalent requires agp 2.0. i ordered an msi 6195 (k7 pro) because it works with my tbird. Is my video card not going to work because it needs 2.0? Is there any way to make it work?

 

[Godsend1]

I just got done returning my Herc geforce2 mx to Best buy. I am running a ASUS P2b rev 1.02. I put the card in and crash. I could get it to work at low res and depth but as soon as I try to go to better res it crashes. I called Guillemot cs and they said that a rev1 agp board does not have enough power to run the card. I asked about the people who have been able to run it on their boards he says they are lucky. Looks like I'm going Radeon.

 

[jpprod]

I could get it to work at low res and depth but as soon as I try to go to better res it crashes. I called Guillemot cs and they said that a rev1 agp board does not have enough power to run the card. I asked about the people who have been able to run it on their boards he says they are lucky.

I'm sorry to say this, but that's just bullshit. They don't know what's crashing your system and they have no certain way of knowing; there are just too many variables. If specced rev 1.0 AGP slot can't power a GeForce2 MX, how come there are so many people running much power-hungrier GeForce256 cards on i440BX-based motherboards (of which each and every one has an AGP 1.0 slot) without problems? Symphtom you describe is most likely - like in 90% of the cases - a driver/configuration-related one.

I'll reiterate: AGP 1.0->2.0 means AGP2X/SB->AGP4X/SB/FW. Only motherboards based on AMD-760, VIA Apollo Pro133A/KX133/KT133 or Intel i815/i820/i840 chipsets have this functionality. All AGP 2.0 complicant display adapters are backwards-complicant. AGP Pro is another issue since it has physical extra pins, but there are definitely no GF2 MX boards out there with an AGP Pro connector.

 

[BenSkywalker]

bozack-

&quot;And the revision is more than a speed difference it is also power.&quot;

No, there are no differences between power supplied to an AGP 1.0 or 2.0 slot unless it is AGP Pro.

There are however, plenty of motherboards out that don't supply enough power to the AGP slot(Socket/Super7 boards are notorious for this), then you would have problems with a GF DDR, though no board should have any problem whatsoever powering the GF2 MX, it uses significantly less power then most graphics boards(should be a mobile GF2 MX announced at COMDEX).

 

[Godsend1]

Well you are entitled to your opinion. I used as many types of drivers including nvidia ref and the supplied drivers. Also this was a clean install so there were no other problems. The problem was that the card did not work on my ASUS P2B! If it works on other peoples board that's great. It didn't work on mine.

 

[BenSkywalker]

Godsend-

I think what JP was trying to say(not trying to put words in your mouth Jukka) was that they were BSing you. There is no reason for the board not to work because of an AGP 1.0 slot. I'm running a GF DDR on an AMD Irongate chipset board, and it works perfectly fine. The GF DDRs are by far the most problematic with &quot;picky&quot; mobos, there isn't any reason at all for the revision of the AGP slot to have any influence.

The only thing that changed was performance, the boards work just fine running in AGP 1X on a Rev 1 AGP board.

&quot;I called Guillemot cs and they said that a rev1 agp board does not have enough power to run the card.&quot;

That's the real BS part. Not saying in any way whatsoever that I don't believe you completely, there is no difference in the power specs and even if there was the GF2 MX is a very low power card in terms of needs. It seems to me that they would rather blame the situation on your mobo so they can take their break or whatever a little bit earlier instead of getting you through the problem.

 

[Dulanic]

It has to do with the amount of power AGP 1 slots gave.... it wasnt enough for the GeForce 2 or even some GeForce..... Now most GOOD motherboards fixed this like Asus.

 

[bozack]

hey guys dont get on my ass about this I am just going by reports I have read from other users (not just here but on tons of newsgroups and other boards) and by what the manufacturers are saying.


and yes there is a power difference as stated by someone earlier between older first revision agp slots and the later ones, it was so much of a difference that the NVIDIA cards were not getting correct amount of voltage, this was the case with mh bh6 1.01 and my original TNT which i had to send back for a rev 1.02 which regulated power better, and I would bet this newer revision still does not supply the juice to handle a GTS, but then again I have never tried and most likely wont.

 

[Godsend1]

Ic. Unfortunately I am without a vid card. I sold my old Fire Gl and V2 to buy a new card. So I don't have the option of being able to extensively work through bugs. Thanks for the info and opinions.