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GTS 450 or Radeon 5770 ?

hooman79108

hooman79108

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Hi Guys

I'm looking for a new VGA card but it's very confusing to choose the best one according to my budget (150$).
what do you recommend between GTS 450 and Radeon 5770 ?
does it worth to pay much more money for GTX 460 , GTX 550TI or Radeon 6850 ?
I'm looking for sth. to support gaming also in the future... 🙂
 
out of curiosity, what does the rest of your pc look like in DETAIL? and what resolution are going to be playing at?
 
hooman79108 said:
so whats your recommendation ?
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Where are you buying from? Newegg? Local? online store? another country than the U.S.?
And Toyota is right we need to know what power supply you have, monitor resolution, and Cpu type/speed (dual core/quad core).

If your system is up to par, I will suggest this PNY gtx460 1gb XLR8 for 159$ and 130$ AR, with a lifetime warranty. I know its a little more expensive but is much, much faster.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814133326
 
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CPU: core i5 2500
RAM: 4 G
M.B. : Gigabyte PA65-UD3-B3
Monitor : LG LCD W2086T
I've not selected the PSU yet. i want to choose one after finalizing VGA and i want to buy local in Middle East.
 
hooman79108 said:
CPU: core i5 2500
RAM: 4 G
M.B. : LG LCD W2086T
Monitor : LG LCD W2086T
I've not selected the PSU yet. i want to choose one after finalizing VGA and i want to buy local in Middle East.
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For 1600x900 , I would suggest a gtx460 1gb. A 5770 or gts450 is a little weak. The gtx4601gb will give you some power for future games.
 
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I would go ahead and get 8gb(2 x 4gb) for a new build. ram is cheap right now and its likely that 4gb will be sketchy within a year or so. GTA 4 and some modded games can already run a little better with having more than 4gb. even for Crysis 2 DX11 they recommend 8gb of system ram. plus your pc will cache all that ram and help makes daily things run better too.

yeah like happy said a 460gb 1gb would be a good choice for 1600x900.
 
toyota said:
I would go ahead and get 8gb(2 x 4gb) for a new build. ram is cheap right now and its likely that 4gb will be sketchy within a year or so. GTA 4 and some modded games can already run a little better with having more than 4gb. even for Crysis 2 DX11 they recommend 8gb of system ram. plus your pc will cache all that ram and help makes daily things run better too.

yeah like happy said a 460gb 1gb would be a good choice for 1600x900.
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That isn't true. There is no performance difference between 4GB and more system RAM for gaming unless you are talking about a couple of 64-bit games.

If you are going to buy more RAM, it is cheap, however, buy it for anything but for gaming.
 
toyota said:
I would go ahead and get 8gb(2 x 4gb) for a new build. ram is cheap right now and its likely that 4gb will be sketchy within a year or so. GTA 4 and some modded games can already run a little better with having more than 4gb. even for Crysis 2 DX11 they recommend 8gb of system ram. plus your pc will cache all that ram and help makes daily things run better too.

yeah like happy said a 460gb 1gb would be a good choice for 1600x900.
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I'd have to agree with Apoppin, I never seen any game use my avalable 2+gb of system memory. BUT , with ram being dirt cheap it dosent hurt to throw it in there, you never know, ram prices could skyrocket again.
 
apoppin said:
That isn't true. There is no performance difference between 4GB and more system RAM for gaming unless you are talking about a couple of 64-bit games.

If you are going to buy more RAM, it is cheap, however, buy it for anything but for gaming.
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for GTA 4 it helped and that has been proven on 2 different sites. the other games were modded but I cannot remember what they were. and I never acted like it was more than a couple. I was just saying for those few games and maybe some upcoming titles it maybe beneficial. no reason not to spend just a wee bit more if building a new pc.

also arent some games such as WoW getting large address aware updates? if so does that not mean that having more than 4gb could potentially help?

and also again it does make a small difference with everyday usage too.
 
happy medium said:
I'd have to agree with Apoppin, I never seen any game use my avalable 2+gb of system memory. BUT , with ram being dirt cheap it dosent hurt to throw it in there, you never know, ram prices could skyrocket again.
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I am not saying this to start a debate but Toms and some other site had articles showing that GTA 4 was better with more than 4gb if the settings were cranked. again you can search for it because if I repeat what they said it will only be an argument. all I am trying to do is give op advice on what is likely to become more common within a year or so for a higher end gaming pc.

the 4gb to 8gb transition is probably needed while he will own that pc so there's no reason not to go with 8gb now with prices being cheap.
 
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toyota said:
I am not saying this to start a debate but Toms and some other site had articles showing that GTA 4 was better with more than 4gb if the settings were cranked. again you can search for it because if I repeat what they said it will only be an argument. all I am trying to do is give op advice on what is likely to become more common within a year or so for a higher end gaming pc.

the 4gb to 8gb transition is probably needed while he will own that pc so there's no reason not to go with 8gb now with prices being cheap.
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Please post the links.
 
toyota said:
you can google it for yourself. I know exactly what your intentions are here and I am not in the mood for it.
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My intentions were to read the article.

Since you evidently have nothing to show, i'd say that we can disregard your unsubstantiated nonsense about more than 4GB system RAM being needed for PC games.
 
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apoppin said:
My intentions were to read the article.

Since you evidently have nothing to show, i'd say that we can disregard your unsubstantiated nonsense about more than 4GB system RAM being needed for PC games.
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okay here you go but if you have issues with what they say then please do not argue with me about it. the Toms article was easy to find but the other one was some Asian site that I now longer have a link for. there was also some site, and it could have been Toms again, that should even going from 6gb to 12gb helped in GTA 4 on max settings. never thought much about it because it was before I ever bought GTA 4. anyway here is the one talking about 4gb, 8gb and 16gb.


http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ram-memory-upgrade,2778-5.html

Unfortunately, we can't measure subjective impressions of in-game frame rates. Especially when the game loads new level areas (GTA IV, Mafia II) during play, or if you pan in the panoramic view (Anno 1404, Sims 3), the impression is much smoother with the larger memory space, and you don't get as much stuttering. Overall frame rates hardly change, but the experience you get while playing, even if entirely subjective, is much smoother.



http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ram-memory-upgrade,2778-6.html

A total of just 4 GB of installed RAM hardly makes sense if the game is already using 2 GB or more. The consequences of reduced assignment are late details that pop up out of the blue, lower texture resolutions, and even artifacts.

These artifacts vanish when you install another 4 GB of RAM, since this allows the graphics card to grab a fat piece of the system memory pie.


The amount of extra available memory can be very hard to measure and quantify in numbers of frames per second, mainly because it leads to improved level loading speeds, higher detail levels, and better-quality textures. Often, the game you're playing will allow for higher graphical options, and there will be fewer artifacts when the system is heavily loaded.

In a 64-bit system with a powerful graphics card, 8 GB of RAM really is a must if you're going to play demanding games. This is the case regardless of whether you're using 32-bit or 64-bit applications. However, even more than 8 GB of RAM can be subjectively noticed while playing.



http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ram-memory-upgrade,2778-9.html

Conclusion and Recommendation

Based on our measurements and impressions (and taking falling prices into account), we thoroughly recommend a minimum RAM size of 8 GB.
 
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Back to what the OP was asking. Even if the res is 1600x900 the 6870 is a very good card for the price, you can't beat that, 160 after MIR with Deus Ex free game. Next in line a GTX460 which can be had for 135. I posted the links before.
 
toyota said:
okay here you go
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Thank-you!

An SSD can also affect level loading times and Tom is talking about using RAM disks with 16GB RAM kits. However the article acknowledges that game's performance remains the same with 4GB as with 8GN if you are not multi-tasking; there is no difference in the framerates. Windows still has a 2GB address space for 32-bit games.
 
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and the 8gb vs 4gb debate is going to be no no different then with all the other memory capacity transitions we have add. people said the same stuff when going from 512mb to 1gb, 1gb to 2gb, and then 2gb to 4gb. everyone wanted to see benchmarks and then people said well most games are fine and so on and so on. jeez I have had a computer with pretty every capacity made. just think only 7-8 years ago 512 was enough for gaming and 1gb seemed silly.

I certainly remember when 2gb did not cut it anymore for Warhead and Clear Sky. sure it was only 2 games but it was 2 games that I wanted to play smoother. more memory fixed those and took care of me until now. plus that memory gets cached and used so even if only a couple of games need it, it will not be wasted. it just does not make sense to build a high performance pc and not get 8gb of ram while its cheap.
 
apoppin said:
Thank-you!

An SSD can also affect level loading times and Tom is talking about using RAM disks. The game's performance remains the same if you are not multi-tasking; there is no difference in the framerates.
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please read the article closer. I even put those quotes up there for a reason. the RAM disks he used in some of the testing have nothing to do with some parts of the article about gaming I am referring too.
 
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toyota said:
please read the article closer. I even put those quotes up there for a reason. the RAM disks he used in some of the testing have nothing to do with some parts of the article about gaming I am referring too.
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i did read it. The frame rates remain the same.

The amount of extra available memory can be very hard to measure and quantify in numbers of frames per second
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There have always been badly coded engines - games like Gothic 3 that can eat up all of the resources of your PC and then go to Hard Disk. If you had 2GB of system RAM, you could play for about an hour - if you were lucky; 4GB would allow you a significantly longer playing time without issues.

Also Tom was benching with a RAM disk - if you have more RAM, you won't go to disk - but to a much faster paging system.
When playing games, the benefits of adding memory space depend on the title. We looked at a few games and averaged the startup times and load times of various levels.
These charts show how much the games make use of the outsourced swap file or the temporary directory.
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In his conclusion, he was clearly talking about the advantages of having more system RAM so that you could create a RAM-based swap-file; not an automatic advantage for gaming by simply having more RAM.
Conclusion
Even the 32-bit versions of Windows XP, Vista, and Windows 7 can benefit from 8 GB or more of RAM. Depending on the application, the focus should be on relocating either the swap file or the temporary directories.
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However, i said this in my very first post here. Although not necessary for gaming, DDR3 is very cheap and 64-bit applications (not games) can use more than 4GB quite effectively. i have 6GB in my own system and when i finally get a real upgrade to i7-920, i will opt for 12GB.
 
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