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GTO back in 2008

http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060302/FREE/60302001/1039

Pontiac GTO is Back at ?Full Tilt?

General Motors plans a follow-up to today?s GTO, and a high Australian dollar means it will likely be built in North America

The Pontiac GTO lives! It will be replaced in late 2008 by an all-new model underpinned by General Motors? latest rear-wheel-drive Zeta platform, with a strong likelihood of it being built on the same production line as the Chevrolet Camaro in North America.

That?s the message from General Motors vice president for global product development, Bob Lutz, at this week?s Geneva motor show.

The replacement for today?s slowish-selling GTO was canceled last year when General Motors announced it was reorganizing its North American operations and was set to focus its efforts on creating a new line of sport/utility vehicles, pickups and crossovers.

But Lutz has told AutoWeek that reports of the rear-wheel-drive coupe?s death were premature and the next-generation GTO?s development program was only really placed on hold, and?after some internal reorganization to ensure profitability targets can be met?it is now back on.

?The reason we said it was canceled is because that way our people would put their pencils down,? Lutz said. ?In GM if you say something is deferred, then people keep working on it. We really needed to get that message through to everybody.? GM?s 74-year-old product guru said the program into which the GTO is incorporated was ?getting out of control? and running up costs that would have made it unworkable.

?It was my fault that it got out of control in the first place,? he added. ?It was going to be the world?s greatest car and apparently cost nothing to make. So we?ve started over now. The program is back on and it?s going full tilt.?

Lutz confirmed that the GTO was ?only ever off for two months, but that break has enabled us to get a more feasible program up.? The program he points to is General Motors? Zeta rear-wheel-drive platform, which is being developed by Holden in Australia and set to underpin the new-generation Commodore due to be launched in August.

Besides Camaro and GTO, other models set to be based on the Zeta platform are upcoming replacements for the Chevrolet Impala and Monte Carlo, and a new car called the Buick Statesman, according to Lutz.

Contrary to rumors, however, Lutz said General Motors is not planning to revive the Pontiac Firebird. ?No, that?s not something we are planning. We are not going to do that car,? he said.

When pushed on whether GM was thinking about bringing back the El Camino off the Zeta platform, Lutz beamed with enthusiasm. ?The kids in the company, myself included, would love to do another El Camino, but the grown-ups amongst us don?t share that way of thinking,? he said. ?It would be fairly simple. We?d only have to put a Chevrolet face on the Holden Ute [a car-like pickup sold in Australia]. The building blocks are there.?

Less sophisticated than the existing rear-wheel-drive Sigma platform found beneath the Cadillac STS and other high-end GM models, the Zeta architecture is said to be considerably cheaper to produce, owing to a simplified rear-suspension arrangement and other features.

Lutz suggests the individual character of GM models would not be compromised by basing them around one platform. ?We have developed different dash-to-front-axle lengths for various models,? he said. ?It [the Zeta platform] is a really flexible platform.?

Along with Australia and North America, Zeta-based rear-wheel-drive models are also being developed for sale in the Middle East and China. Details remain scarce, though GM?s business case for the new GTO is rumored to be based around sales of between 15,000 and 20,000 per year in North America. After a promising start, today?s model has failed to live up to initial estimates recording 13,569 sales in 2004 and just 11,590 in 2005.

Lutz confirmed that GM?s Australian subsidiary, Holden, would play a leading role in the engineering of the GTO [where it is sold as the Monaro] and its sister car, the Camaro. ?Holden is responsible for the large rear-drive architecture that these cars are based on. If it happens, Holden will do the development on the Camaro as well as the GTO,? he told AutoWeek.

Despite being developed in Australia, however, there are strong indications the next GTO will be built in North America. ?Whether the GTO will be built in Australia [as the current Pontiac GTO is] will largely depend on the [U.S. vs. Australian dollar] exchange rate at the time,? said Lutz. He added, ?With the current strength of the Australian dollar and the recent Free Trade Agreement between Australia and the U.S., it would be more feasible to build the GTO in North America. This raises the possibility of both the new-generation GTO and Camaro being imported to Australia in right-hand-drive guise.

Production of today?s Pontiac GTO is planned to end in September, leaving GM with two years before the new Zeta-based model arrives in North American showrooms. As with the recently unveiled Chevrolet Camaro, it is expected to carry a more retro-inspired design with cues from earlier GTO models. Today?s model started life as the Holden Monaro and was never envisaged to carry the GTO badge, leading to complaints from North American buyers that it lacks any visual connection with the original.

there ya go.
 
make a Camaro, but no Firebird ??

Does anyone at GM know what they're doing ?


btw, WHERE"S THE NOMAD TO COMPETE WITH THE DODGE MAGNUM ??
 
Link please!

Fvcking awesome, I was kind of disappointed that this is the last year as I can't buy one yet 🙁 Got some more time now 😀

EDIT Thanks for the link!
 
Originally posted by: fbrdphreak
Link please!

Fvcking awesome, I was kind of disappointed that this is the last year as I can't buy one yet 🙁 Got some more time now 😀

EDIT Thanks for the link!


ok, so think about this, something ive said all along.

The camaro has already been "concepted", if the GTO is set to 2008... the Camaro HAS to come out before the GTO... this means a 2007 release for the Camaro...

ive never changed from my stance that a mid-late 2007 release was almost certain...

does ANYONE believe me yet?
 
Cause I don't believe it with lackluster sales the current GTO generated.

Don't get me wrong - I love all muscle cars...but GM has to survive and if there isn't a market for their product - they can't keep making cars that they lose money on.
 
Originally posted by: MasterAndCommander
Cause I don't believe it with lackluster sales the current GTO generated.

Don't get me wrong - I love all muscle cars...but GM has to survive and if there isn't a market for their product - they can't keep making cars that they lose money on.

the only reason its sales weren't great was because of its bland appearance

Here's another link on it
 
i honestly think that the car would have sold better if it had been named G8 rather than GTO. once named GTO, everyone focused on how it 'didn't live up to the original' (which of course was just a boring family car with a big engine), rather than the fact that it was a really good car with a really nice motor.
 
Originally posted by: ElFenix
i honestly think that the car would have sold better if it had been named G8 rather than GTO. once named GTO, everyone focused on how it 'didn't live up to the original' (which of course was just a boring family car with a big engine), rather than the fact that it was a really good car with a really nice motor.

That is exactly what happened, and in a moronic example of "fool me twice, shame on me," shame on Bob Lutz for thinking that Chevy-fying this and calling it "El Camino" is going to be any different unless it magically tops out under $30k.

They'd do better selling it as the Chevy Ute, just as they would have done better selling the "GTO" as the Pontiac Monaro.
 
Originally posted by: ElFenix
i honestly think that the car would have sold better if it had been named G8 rather than GTO. once named GTO, everyone focused on how it 'didn't live up to the original' (which of course was just a boring family car with a big engine), rather than the fact that it was a really good car with a really nice motor.

The reason no one bought it is because it indistinctive styling. I never knew it was a GTO until I was sitting behind one at a stoplight and happened to look down and see the badge. It could have been a Grand Prix or a Grand Am for all that I knew. Even a distinctive paint job would have set it apart.

 
Glad to hear, maybe they'll get the design right this time and make it look better than an riced up grand-am. I don't think the recent GTO line looked all that bad really, but i didn't think GTO when i saw it. When i first saw the new mustangs it was definitely obvious it was a mustang. When i first saw the new GTO, i was like...huh? That's a GTO?
 
Originally posted by: jacktackle
Glad to hear, maybe they'll get the design right this time and make it look better than an riced up grand-am. I don't think the recent GTO line looked all that bad really, but i didn't think GTO when i saw it. When i first saw the new mustangs it was definitely obvious it was a mustang. When i first saw the new GTO, i was like...huh? That's a GTO?

and the original GTO looked like anything other than a tempest? does the GTO have any real bloodline? the mustang has it: the side scoops, the fastback, etc. what does the GTO have?
 
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: jacktackle
Glad to hear, maybe they'll get the design right this time and make it look better than an riced up grand-am. I don't think the recent GTO line looked all that bad really, but i didn't think GTO when i saw it. When i first saw the new mustangs it was definitely obvious it was a mustang. When i first saw the new GTO, i was like...huh? That's a GTO?

and the original GTO looked like anything other than a tempest? does the GTO have any real bloodline? the mustang has it: the side scoops, the fastback, etc. what does the GTO have?

Well, they could of tried a little harder. The newer GTO doesn't look anything at all like the old GTO, looks like a completely different car. That wasn't what they were aiming for though obviously. I guess i was just hoping for something a bit more exciting than what the new GTO looked like.
 
Originally posted by: Squisher
Originally posted by: ElFenix
i honestly think that the car would have sold better if it had been named G8 rather than GTO. once named GTO, everyone focused on how it 'didn't live up to the original' (which of course was just a boring family car with a big engine), rather than the fact that it was a really good car with a really nice motor.

The reason no one bought it is because it indistinctive styling. I never knew it was a GTO until I was sitting behind one at a stoplight and happened to look down and see the badge. It could have been a Grand Prix or a Grand Am for all that I knew. Even a distinctive paint job would have set it apart.


This is gross and blasphemous to the GTO die-hards, but I think a V6 version has to be developed to generate enough sales numbers to keep it as a viable line.
 

This was the last one I remember being mentioned.[/quote]

I like it! Still 400hp or did they up that? I've seen vid clips of various rice trying to keep up with an 05 GTO. Funny stuff....exceft for the tools driving the rice of course..
 
how about cut curb weight 500+ lbs and make sure the auto doesn't get slapped with $1300 in gas guzzler tax
 
I think the GTO is awesome and I'm glad to see it isn't dying out. If they made it more retro that would be even better, like the challenger concept. The sound of a GTO driving by you is nothing like any other so-called muscle car out there today. I would get a GTO if I could.
 
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