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GT5 2.0 is live!!!

Tristicus said:
GT5 inferior to Forza 4? LOL.
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I do not believe its acceptable to have two different versions of models for vehicles, both high and low resolution, release on the same game that's touting the graphical capability of the game that GT5 was touting.

So yes, inferior.
 
Gran Turismo 5 was a disappointment virtually any way you look at it, and this is coming from someone who has been a fan of the series from the very beginning. It's an excellent physics model contained within a very mediocre game. Don't get me wrong, I still think it's a great racing simulation, but with a 5 year development window, the glaring mistakes are really unacceptable, not the least of which is the "Premium" vs "Standard" car modeling; absolutely ludicrous.
 
I should sell my copy of GT5 as I put about an hour worth of play in it since I got it last December. I've put way more time into Forza 3.
 
EightySix Four said:
Pretty much every review out there claims forza is the new king of the genre. Sorry.
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Driving sims are not interesting or fun for 90% of game reviewers. Forza has always been easier, more newbie friendly and full of non-driving features. Reviewer love this crap. They play for 10-12 hours, then slap a review together. Of course they know little about the actual driving and the amount of hours they play these games for barely scratches the surface. Go read a GT5 review, all you will see is nonsense about menus and 2D trees and very little about racing or cars.

So in short, being better reviewed means very little in this genre. It's about driving and Forza still has poor wheel support and forced assists. It get high marks based on presentation, menus, playing dress-up with cars, rewind, etc. Stuff that is style and not substance.

Why are people insulting GT5 for a big update, you guys would rather have a "new" game every other year and pay $180 for nearly the same game? I'd rather have one game with continuous support.
 
Todd33 said:
Driving sims are not interesting or fun for 90% of game reviewers. Forza has always been easier, more newbie friendly and full of non-driving features. Reviewer love this crap. They play for 10-12 hours, then slap a review together. Of course they know little about the actual driving and the amount of hours they play these games for barely scratches the surface. Go read a GT5 review, all you will see is nonsense about menus and 2D trees and very little about racing or cars.

So in short, being better reviewed means very little in this genre. It's about driving and Forza still has poor wheel support and forced assists. It get high marks based on presentation, menus, playing dress-up with cars, rewind, etc. Stuff that is style and not substance.

Why are people insulting GT5 for a big update, you guys would rather have a "new" game every other year and pay $180 for nearly the same game? I'd rather have one game with continuous support.
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Games, and I use that term heavily, are judged as a sum of all their parts. No one is insulting GT5 for having a big update. I think it was just about pointing out the PR move of releasing the update at the same time of the F4 release.

I agree that reviews often focus on parts of the game that aren't directly related to the "driving", but I actually take it one step forward to say that style, presentation and overall design must be taken into consideration as a gauge of the overall quality of a product. GT5 could have included a driving sim with with the technical accuracy equivilant to that of a Level-D flight simulator and it wouldn't matter. Remember that many GT5 reviews were actually quite good.

Is Forza a better "driving" simulator? Who knows. Personally I think neither should use the term sim in any sense. Bottom line, it is more accessable, consistant and by extention just easier to play (not talking about difficulty).

It's easy to stick a nose up and say that GT5 is better simply because the cars "drive a little more realistic" and then talk about how people focus on style and not substance, but at the end of the day it's about enjoyment, and by if a game makes it a PITA to get that enjoyment, one shouldn't be surprised when it is judged accordingly.

Plus lets be fair, this "big" update wouldn't even have happened in the first place had there not been a such a fervent demand for changes by GT fans. If GT5 was so good out of the box, this thread wouldn't be here.
 
Todd33 said:
Driving sims are not interesting or fun for 90% of game reviewers. Forza has always been easier, more newbie friendly and full of non-driving features. Reviewer love this crap. They play for 10-12 hours, then slap a review together. Of course they know little about the actual driving and the amount of hours they play these games for barely scratches the surface. Go read a GT5 review, all you will see is nonsense about menus and 2D trees and very little about racing or cars.

So in short, being better reviewed means very little in this genre. It's about driving and Forza still has poor wheel support and forced assists. It get high marks based on presentation, menus, playing dress-up with cars, rewind, etc. Stuff that is style and not substance.

Why are people insulting GT5 for a big update, you guys would rather have a "new" game every other year and pay $180 for nearly the same game? I'd rather have one game with continuous support.
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So you're saying that GT5 is the better driving simulator but Forza is the better game?

See, I dont agree. I've read reviews that argue that either is better. And to say that driving fans prefer GT5 is just hogwash - I know driving fans who like both. Many fans of Forza go the whole way and invest in racing wheels and chairs, and sometimes even multiple screens.

Just because Forza is more accessible, does not make it a worse driving simulator. So they put a little more effort into allowing newbs to enjoy the game, so what? No one is forcing you to use rewind at gunpoint.

GT5 is still made in the old japanese developer mindset, requiring lots of grinding, things unlocked much later in the game, and bad menu navigation. Forza gets rid of all that. Bad menus should not interfere with your driving experience.
 
Jesus fucking christ people, did we not have enough of this shit in the official GT5 thread last year? That effectively ruined any discussion on the game itself.

ALL of you need to shut up.
 
Amazing how this GT5 thread devolved into a GT5 vs F4 war yet the F4 thread did not.

Let's straighten it up before I lock it.

Thanks.
 
Queasy said:
Amazing how this GT5 thread devolved into a GT5 vs F4 war yet the F4 thread did not.

Let's straighten it up before I lock it.

Thanks.
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I think the main reason is Sony is asking for it releasing a major update to the game conveniently the day that FM4 is released.

They're kinda asking for the war, imo. Not here of course 😛 😀
 
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