GT-R 18,000 mile service.

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: boomhower
Back to the OP, it seems obvious the biggest issue is the cost of the fluids. If they can point out the rare, almost mythical, element that is required in this fluid to keep the cars from spontaneously combusting then I am sure no one will have an issue with the costs. If they are unable to do so and are charge $100+ for what they should be charging $20 just so they can gouge people then to hell with them. Its obvious they are gouging people and will eventually be crucified in the media for it. Its not the 4 amount I have an issue with, its the fact they are just gouging people for the sake of it.

it has tiny bits of unobtanium? :Q

 

[lsd]

I understand your post but It has nothing to do with the other argument.
I understand for the average joe-blow, A sports car is just for pure fun on the street and will NEVER take their car on the track.
Enthusiasts, which I am, build cars to *win*. I have rebuilt engines and tuned standalone ecus, my mindset is a bit different from the average joe.
A lot of heavily modded cars are really NOT a joy to drive on the street, it doesn't matter because when you *WIN* at the track it puts the biggest smile on your face.
Coincidentally the GTR, which is the original subject, was made for the track and It is packed with technology to do so.
Just drop it, it's going so far off tangent it's not even funny.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: lsd

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: ehhhh

As far as the current LS3 making more power, sure it does but it still doesn't make more HP/L that the LT5 had and this is 16 years later.

You should be banned from posting about cars if you bring up the HP/liter Honda fanboy crap. HP/liter is a worthless measurement.

If you can make an engine that's simpler, cheaper, is lighter, produces more power and more torque, AND gets better fuel economy, that would be considered a damn good job at designing an engine. Who the hell cares about HP/liter. Generally the smaller you make an engine the higher the HP/liter will be using the same tech. RC car engines produce a ton of HP/liter yet they are low tech engines that get poor fuel economy.

Give me a break. Stop that childish "fanboy" crap too, seriously. Adults use the term "enthusiasts" , you should try it.

What I was trying to explain is over your head, and has to do with "what am I paying for". I'm sorry if you don't understand, but the argument is said and done.

First of all, are you the same poster as "ehhhh"? Why do you troll under 2 different accounts?

Secondly, I probably have more experience with performance cars than you do. What kind of car do you personally own? Your remarks make it sound as if you're just a young kid who's a fanboy. Please tell me that I'm wrong.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: lsd
I understand your post but It has nothing to do with the other argument.
I understand for the average joe-blow, A sports car is just for pure fun on the street and will NEVER take their car on the track.
Enthusiasts, which I am, build cars to *win*. I have rebuilt engines and tuned standalone ecus, my mindset is a bit different from the average joe.
A lot of heavily modded cars are really NOT a joy to drive on the street, it doesn't matter because when you *WIN* at the track it puts the biggest smile on your face.
Coincidentally the GTR, which is the original subject, was made for the track and It is packed with technology to do so.
Just drop it, it's going so far off tangent it's not even funny.

You sure sound like a fanboy. What kind of car do you drive? I doubt it's a GTR.

 

[Arkaign]

*sigh* .. this thread delivers ... something.

At the end of the day, a GT-R or Z06 is > 99% of the cars on this planet. Good enough for me.

 

[lsd]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: lsd

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: ehhhh

As far as the current LS3 making more power, sure it does but it still doesn't make more HP/L that the LT5 had and this is 16 years later.

You should be banned from posting about cars if you bring up the HP/liter Honda fanboy crap. HP/liter is a worthless measurement.

If you can make an engine that's simpler, cheaper, is lighter, produces more power and more torque, AND gets better fuel economy, that would be considered a damn good job at designing an engine. Who the hell cares about HP/liter. Generally the smaller you make an engine the higher the HP/liter will be using the same tech. RC car engines produce a ton of HP/liter yet they are low tech engines that get poor fuel economy.

Give me a break. Stop that childish "fanboy" crap too, seriously. Adults use the term "enthusiasts" , you should try it.

What I was trying to explain is over your head, and has to do with "what am I paying for". I'm sorry if you don't understand, but the argument is said and done.

First of all, are you the same poster as "ehhhh"? Why do you troll under 2 different accounts?

Secondly, I probably have more experience with performance cars than you do. What kind of car do you personally own? Your remarks make it sound as if you're just a young kid who's a fanboy. Please tell me that I'm wrong.

With the help of the mods I was able to get back my old account yesterday. If we can be adults about this I'll pm you pics. I'm 28 btw.

 

[Arkaign]

ehhhh/lsd, you're wasting your time trying to argue this stuff here. Most people can respect your opinions when qualified as such, but making sweeping generalities and statements of superiority won't get you anywhere. Pretty much everything about this subject is relative to the individual involved.

There are pros and cons to all kinds of setups, and there is no overall winner in anything.

For some situations, a diesel motor is more effective/efficient than a gasoline motor, and vice versa.
For some situations, rwd is better than fwd/awd, and vice versa.
For some situations, forced induction makes sense compared to larger displacement, and vice versa.
etc
etc...

And a sobering note on the evolution of performance autos, a design more than 50 years old, the Lotus 7, can run rings around pretty much any modern sports car, with absolutely no traction control, abs, or anything else fancy. It seriously hauls ass, and they're still produced, now by Caterham, with some modest updates, while keeping the nitty-gritty the same as it ever was.

 

[lsd]

Originally posted by: Arkaign
ehhhh/lsd, you're wasting your time trying to argue this stuff here. Most people can respect your opinions when qualified as such, but making sweeping generalities and statements of superiority won't get you anywhere. Pretty much everything about this subject is relative to the individual involved.

There are pros and cons to all kinds of setups, and there is no overall winner in anything.

For some situations, a diesel motor is more effective/efficient than a gasoline motor, and vice versa.
For some situations, rwd is better than fwd/awd, and vice versa.
For some situations, forced induction makes sense compared to larger displacement, and vice versa.
etc
etc...

And a sobering note on the evolution of performance autos, a design more than 50 years old, the Lotus 7, can run rings around pretty much any modern sports car, with absolutely no traction control, abs, or anything else fancy. It seriously hauls ass, and they're still produced, now by Caterham, with some modest updates, while keeping the nitty-gritty the same as it ever was.

I've been trying to get out of the argument but I keep getting sucked back in lol. I understand when the "new guy" on a forum makes comments against the status quo it will rile quite a few feathers.
There are lot of ways to get the job done, lets just leave it at that.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: lsd


I've been trying to get out of the argument but I keep getting sucked back in lol. I understand when the "new guy" on a forum makes comments against the status quo it will rile quite a few feathers.
There are lot of ways to get the job done, lets just leave it at that.

lsd,

I've actually been a member of Z forums for about 12 years now. I used to go on Z31.com when I had my 1986 300ZX Turbo, and then I joined Twinturbo.net when I got my 1991 300ZX Twin Turbo.

I learned a lot from those forums, and when I tried discussing anything on Anandtech I immediately noticed that it's a HUGE step down. It's not even remotely close to being of the same technical level. In fact, I mostly just hang out in OT because it's usually a waste of time posting in here. If I post something factual I just get blasted by the hundreds of teenagers who read ricer magazines and have no automotive experience. Maybe you're not like them, I don't know. But that does seem to be the majority of the forum.

 

[Demon-Xanth]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
lsd,

I've actually been a member of Z forums for about 12 years now. I used to go on Z31.com when I had my 1986 300ZX Turbo, and then I joined Twinturbo.net when I got my 1991 300ZX Twin Turbo.

I learned a lot from those forums, and when I tried discussing anything on Anandtech I immediately noticed that it's a HUGE step down. It's not even remotely close to being of the same technical level. In fact, I mostly just hang out in OT because it's usually a waste of time posting in here. If I post something factual I just get blasted by the hundreds of teenagers who read ricer magazines and have no automotive experience. Maybe you're not like them, I don't know. But that does seem to be the majority of the forum.

One major difference there is that when you're on a board with people with the same car is that they largely share the same taste in cars, thus agree more often. With AT you got people whose tastes vary, and blanket statements just don't work the same. When you take a statement meant to appeal to 300ZX owners and try to apply them to the population as a whole, it doesn't work. What makes a 300ZX go fast is very different from a Dakota. The engines just respond to different things because the engineering behind them is quite different and they have different things limiting them.

People from Civic boards will get flamed for having torqueless wonders. People from turbo diesel boards will get flamed for having no top end. It's just how it is when you get into a large broad crowd.

 

[lsd]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: lsd


I've been trying to get out of the argument but I keep getting sucked back in lol. I understand when the "new guy" on a forum makes comments against the status quo it will rile quite a few feathers.
There are lot of ways to get the job done, lets just leave it at that.

lsd,

I've actually been a member of Z forums for about 12 years now. I used to go on Z31.com when I had my 1986 300ZX Turbo, and then I joined Twinturbo.net when I got my 1991 300ZX Twin Turbo.

I learned a lot from those forums, and when I tried discussing anything on Anandtech I immediately noticed that it's a HUGE step down. It's not even remotely close to being of the same technical level. In fact, I mostly just hang out in OT because it's usually a waste of time posting in here. If I post something factual I just get blasted by the hundreds of teenagers who read ricer magazines and have no automotive experience. Maybe you're not like them, I don't know. But that does seem to be the majority of the forum.

My online history isn't much different from yours except I've been a member of maxima.org for about 10 years and a member of the 3rd gen maxima forums even longer. I currently own a RB25 240sx, g35 and g20. The 240 is pretty hardcore and 99% of the work I've done myself.
I'd consider myself a nissan enthusiast, not a fanboy.
Fanboy is a term we used in the video card forums a long time ago to label the Nvidia, 3dfx, kyro and ati maniacs, I've never heard that term used offline.

 

[Kromis]

Originally posted by: lsd

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: lsd


I've been trying to get out of the argument but I keep getting sucked back in lol. I understand when the "new guy" on a forum makes comments against the status quo it will rile quite a few feathers.
There are lot of ways to get the job done, lets just leave it at that.

lsd,

I've actually been a member of Z forums for about 12 years now. I used to go on Z31.com when I had my 1986 300ZX Turbo, and then I joined Twinturbo.net when I got my 1991 300ZX Twin Turbo.

I learned a lot from those forums, and when I tried discussing anything on Anandtech I immediately noticed that it's a HUGE step down. It's not even remotely close to being of the same technical level. In fact, I mostly just hang out in OT because it's usually a waste of time posting in here. If I post something factual I just get blasted by the hundreds of teenagers who read ricer magazines and have no automotive experience. Maybe you're not like them, I don't know. But that does seem to be the majority of the forum.

My online history isn't much different from yours except I've been a member of maxima.org for about 10 years and a member of the 3rd gen maxima forums even longer. I currently own a RB25 240sx, g35 and g20. The 240 is pretty hardcore and 99% of the work I've done myself.
I'd consider myself a nissan enthusiast, not a fanboy.
Fanboy is a term we used in the video card forums a long time ago to label the Nvidia, 3dfx, kyro and ati maniacs, I've never heard that term used offline.

I like you a lot but I don't understand why you don't have a Z!?!!?

 

[DivideBYZero]

It's seriously pissing me off that this car cannot be mentioned in this forum without the constant and pointless bickering.

 

[lsd]

Originally posted by: Kromis


I like you a lot but I don't understand why you don't have a Z!?!!?

Which one? after I sell the current project I plan move onto a 240/260/280z. My cousin is the Z guy in the family, he's had a na Z32 and now owns a Z33. To tell you the truth I don't like either Z chassis very much as both to -me- felt heavy.
The TT Z's engine is a nightmare to work on, changing exhaust manifolds, turbos or repairing broken exhaust studs require engine removal. Everything is open and easy to get to with the RB25 and if you really think about it, it's really a TT z engine in a short stroke I6 config. I've actually pulled the head on problematic built RB25 while sitting in the engine bay with the hood over my head during a summer rain shower.
The Z33 engine I am also not very fond of. My G35 sedan is pretty much a 4 door Z, mildly different chassis and slightly different engine. I don't like drive by wire, I don't care for aluminum open deck designs and I really don't care for how much control the engine computer has over the entire car.
A boosted ironblock closed deck is always better, it's soo much easier increasing the HP on a car that's already turbocharged.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
It's seriously pissing me off that this car cannot be mentioned in this forum without the constant and pointless bickering.

^ Truth. Anyone who thinks that either the Vette, or the GT-R, aren't kickass cars, is pretty much a moron. It's okay to have personal preferences, but making blanket statements about which is absolutely better as if you're the king of the universe, is just gross ignorance.

 

[EightySix Four]

On another note, if anyone is looking for a deal on a GTR... Check this out.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: crazySOB297
On another note, if anyone is looking for a deal on a GTR... Check this out.

Why so cheap? The thing is brand new. Maybe it was time for an oil change and he thought it cheaper to sell, I dunno :0