GRRRR, App people want ANOTHER FVCKING SERVER

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God, some of these app people drive me crazy.

client has a dual xeon 2.4 server with 1 gb ram. it is currently only running SBS2003 Premium, that's IT nothing else.

the database app people want me to build ANOTHER server for this location because they don't want the domain controller on the same Machine as the App Server.

Fine and good if this were a large operation.

IT's a FVCKING DOCTORS OFFICE WITH MAYBE TEN CLIENTS.

OMFG. i hate the way some IT people like to waste clients money. GRRRRR.
 
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RagingBITCH

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Your company gets money, they profit. You have work. Their stupidity = your gain. What's your rant about?
 
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What are you waiting for? Get building and stop neffing! That's the real issue now, isn't it? ;)

The truth is that despite that fact that it's easy to learn, IT services are still a skilled trade and require that trained people do the jobs... and get paid accordingly.
 
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You build servers? Or does build mean "Go to Dell and click customize button"?

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Lifer
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Er... I'd be glad if I were you.

We probably have close to a dozen servers here, 60 employees.
 
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i do all of it. usually i buy from dell because this way if anything goes wrong with hardware, client doesn't have any room to say (as most of them ask for dell). i am the consultant on staff for most of my clients (mostly doctors). i try to keep their costs down.

but honestly, do you guys really think a 10 client network requires separate domain controllers and app servers?
 
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Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
God, some of these app people drive me crazy.

client has a dual xeon 2.4 server with 1 gb ram. it is currently only running SBS2003 Premium, that's IT nothing else.

the database app people want me to build ANOTHER server for this location because they don't want the domain controller on the same Machine as the App Server.

Fine and good if this were a large operation.

IT's a FVCKING DOCTORS OFFICE WITH MAYBE TEN CLIENTS.

OMFG. i hate the way some IT people like to waste clients money. GRRRRR.
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hahaha dual 2.4 ghz xenon ... i'm sure you do a lot of hard core mutlithreaded number cracking to use all that computing power :roll:
 
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Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
i do all of it. usually i buy from dell because this way if anything goes wrong with hardware, client doesn't have any room to say (as most of them ask for dell). i am the consultant on staff for most of my clients (mostly doctors). i try to keep their costs down.

but honestly, do you guys really think a 10 client network requires separate domain controllers and app servers?
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Our last company was that way - a dual Xeon DC and a dual Xeon app server. I think the company they consulted to do IT stuff bent them over.
 
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Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
i do all of it. usually i buy from dell because this way if anything goes wrong with hardware, client doesn't have any room to say (as most of them ask for dell). i am the consultant on staff for most of my clients (mostly doctors). i try to keep their costs down.

but honestly, do you guys really think a 10 client network requires separate domain controllers and app servers?
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Our last company was that way - a dual Xeon DC and a dual Xeon app server. I think the company they consulted to do IT stuff bent them over.
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well, if they insist on a separate machine as a domain controller, i'll build this guy a dell special type $300.00 machine with built in video etc as the domain controller and use the dual xeon as the app server.
 
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Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
i do all of it. usually i buy from dell because this way if anything goes wrong with hardware, client doesn't have any room to say (as most of them ask for dell). i am the consultant on staff for most of my clients (mostly doctors). i try to keep their costs down.
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There's a definate benefit to dell system because of their support. But I kind of like a box made largely out of generic parts, that way when the server's powersupply or motherboard goes 4 years down the road when its out of warrentee, you don't have to pay $120 for a custom part that costs $40 elsewhere...assumming the still even make said part. In your spot I'd probably go with dell though, if for no other reason than having some else to blame when the system poops out.

but honestly, do you guys really think a 10 client network requires separate domain controllers and app servers?
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Of course not, but just respectfully make your opinion known and roll with the punches I guess.
 
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I don't see why this is such a big deal. Just grab a machine, PXE boot it to a win2ks unattended installation and goto lunch. When you come back, you should be done and you should play out the drama of having to stay in and build a server. If you don't have an unattended network install around, now you have something interesting to build.

I'm so lazy.
 
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what i dont understand is why have a domain controller for such a small company? Other than having the files in a central location, but cant you do it without a DC. I thought active directories worked without the DC.. or am I wrong.
 
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Originally posted by: yoda291
I don't see why this is such a big deal. Just grab a machine, PXE boot it to a win2ks unattended installation and goto lunch. When you come back, you should be done and you should play out the drama of having to stay in and build a server. If you don't have an unattended network install around, now you have something interesting to build.

I'm so lazy.
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actually, it's not about the work. shoot, i'll get paid well to do this. i'll clear mb $1500.00 to do this for the client. i just hate requiring things of clients that i believe to be redundant.

mb redundancy isn't that bad tho huh?
 
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Originally posted by: TheGoodGuy
what i dont understand is why have a domain controller for such a small company? Other than having the files in a central location, but cant you do it without a DC. I thought active directories worked without the DC.. or am I wrong.
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NO, active directory IS domain. (more or less).

you cannot do active directory user authentication without defining a domain.

microsoft recommends using a Domain when there are more than 10 simulatneous connections to a shared resource. when you have 10 clients (as in this case) plus with shared printers, network printers etc, it is just better to set up a domain.

also, by fall of this year, this doctor will have a 2nd location and we will probably be setting up sql server replication for his remote office.
 
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Originally posted by: gsaldivar
Originally posted by: tfinch2
Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
Your company gets money, they profit. You have work. Their stupidity = your gain. What's your rant about?
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there is something to be said for doing what's best for the client you know.

i maintain longterm relationships with all my clients and because i always try to do them right, they keep coming to me with more work.

 
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I don't run any small offices and I don't know the price of vmware for a small office, but that would deffinitely be my first choice. I'd get a beefy vmware server, and then let them carve as many virtual servers as they want off of it.
 
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Originally posted by: skace
I don't run any small offices and I don't know the price of vmware for a small office, but that would deffinitely be my first choice. I'd get a beefy vmware server, and then let them carve as many virtual servers as they want off of it.
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interesting.

most of these vendors are pretty ignorant tho. they know a couple of things about their own software and that's about it.

right now, their big objection seems to be with the SBS 2003 Premium tho. looks like i'm going to be putting another server in at this location.

doctors hate seeing servers sitting by idle doing nothing. but what can i do?

 
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