Group proposes legal whale hunts

daishi5

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Lets also ban hunting animals on land, they are majestic and should be preserved for future generations. There is absolutely no need to hunt them.
 

nonlnear

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As far as I'm concerned, someone should kill every single rancher. Cows are a divinely majestic species that should be preserved for future generations, there is absolutely no need to slaughter them other than some non-Hindu idiots who want to kill them.
 

ShawnD1

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Lets also ban hunting animals on land, they are majestic and should be preserved for future generations. There is absolutely no need to hunt them.

cute-baby-deer.jpg


He's so cute! :D
 

jycegrcia

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I am really worried about those whales ,how this hunting can be made legal. I think every hunting should be ban. It seems that people are becoming cruel day by day.
 

PokerGuy

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Lets also ban hunting animals on land, they are majestic and should be preserved for future generations. There is absolutely no need to hunt them.

Uh, if a species is in danger of being hunted to extinction, then yes, hunting it should be (and is) banned. Hunting deer and other animals is perfectly fine, provided they are not in danger of ceasing to exist. Is the distinction that hard to understand?
 

PokerGuy

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nonlnear: as soon as cows become in danger of being extinct, I'd agree we should not hunt them. Until then, they are best served well done.
 

KMFJD

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Uh, if a species is in danger of being hunted to extinction, then yes, hunting it should be (and is) banned. Hunting deer and other animals is perfectly fine, provided they are not in danger of ceasing to exist. Is the distinction that hard to understand?

Don't argue with idiots, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience
 

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nonlnear: as soon as cows become in danger of being extinct, I'd agree we should not hunt them. Until then, they are best served well done.

Medium Rare! Otherwise you cook the juices out and destroy the tenderness :(
 

daishi5

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Uh, if a species is in danger of being hunted to extinction, then yes, hunting it should be (and is) banned. Hunting deer and other animals is perfectly fine, provided they are not in danger of ceasing to exist. Is the distinction that hard to understand?

So, you have no problem with them hunting whale species that are not endangered right?
 

rudder

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Lets also ban hunting animals on land, they are majestic and should be preserved for future generations. There is absolutely no need to hunt them.

Come to Tennessee if you want to see deer. There are too many. If we banned hunting, the state would be littered with carcasses from starved animals.

So there is a need. Plus many hunters donate the meat.

There will always be deer in Tennessee as they population is managed.
 

PokerGuy

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So, you have no problem with them hunting whale species that are not endangered right?

I'm pretty sure that if they allowed hunting them again, pretty soon all of them would become endangered again. It's the reason they became endangered to begin with.
 

WHAMPOM

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Oh, we have a surplus of whales again! Color me very surprised that with 3/4 of the ocean species fished out we have anything that swims not endangered.
 

MJinZ

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Uh, if a species is in danger of being hunted to extinction, then yes, hunting it should be (and is) banned. Hunting deer and other animals is perfectly fine, provided they are not in danger of ceasing to exist. Is the distinction that hard to understand?

Let's hunt humans too! As long as we keep a couple for posterity.
 

exar333

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Hunting land animals compared to sea whales are VERY different topics. When you are talking about hunting migratory birds that only live 3-5 years (depending on the species) their tolerance for hunting is much greater. Also, with large populations utilizing the same breeding/migratory grounds, hunting sometimes makes sense to keep the populations at a constant level, rather than "boom and bust" as it would otherwise.

Hunting whales that are very sensitive to population changes, reproduce EXTREMELY slowly, and are definitely not "over-crowded" just doesn't make any sense.
 

nonlnear

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nonlnear: as soon as cows become in danger of being extinct, I'd agree we should not hunt them. Until then, they are best served well done.
But your original post made no attempt to use endangered status in its reasoning. It was all sentimental "majestic" mumbo jumbo. If you make a piss poor argument that doesn't hold up, you don't get to cry foul because I didn't consider the far superior argument that you failed to make.
 

bfdd

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We should ban killing plants on top of it, they're living majestic creatures too, we need to stop killing them.
 

bfdd

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Uh, if a species is in danger of being hunted to extinction, then yes, hunting it should be (and is) banned. Hunting deer and other animals is perfectly fine, provided they are not in danger of ceasing to exist. Is the distinction that hard to understand?

all living things are in danger of ceasing to exist at ANY FUCKING MOMENT.
 

tk149

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I can't agree with allowing hunting of endangered species.

It would allow 69 bowhead whales, 145 gray whales, 14 humpbacks and 109 fin whales to be hunted each year

http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/pr/species/esa/mammals.htm

But it appears that Minke whales may or may not be "threatened" depending on your source data.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minke_whale
In the northeastern Atlantic the total population of minke whales is estimated to be in the order of 103,000 (95&#37; confidence interval, IWC Scientific Committee 2008.)[citation needed]
Recent genetic studies of Antarctic minke whales indicate that the current population is likely to be lower than, or equal to historical levels. According to Ruegg et al&#8217;s analyses, the long-term population size of the Antarctic minke whale is estimated at 670,000 individuals [8]. The authors also argue that '&#8220;The research suggests that direct competition for food is not keeping the [other species] large whale populations from recovering".
Final circumpolar estimates from the IWC IDCR/SOWER population surveys (1978/79-2003/04) were 338,000 &#8212; only 39% of the 1985/86-1990/91 surveys.[9] As of January, 2010, The IWC states that it is "unable to provide reliable estimates at the present time" and that a "major review is underway by the Scientific Committee."[10]
As of 2008, one estimate submitted to the IWC Scientific Committee by Japanese Government researchers suggested that for Southern Hemisphere (CPIII with common Northern Boundaries) is 665,074.[11] In the early 1990s the International Whaling Commission (IWC) Scientific Committee agreed that minkes in the Southern Hemisphere numbered 760,000 (CPII), which the Japanese whaling industry currently uses as the (2005) estimate.[citation needed] In 2000, however, the Committee withdrew this advice in light of new survey data suggesting 50% lower population than in the 1980s[12].
The IUCN Red List labels the northern species as Least Concern and the southern as Data Deficient. CITES on the other hand, list both of the species in Appendix I (threatened) with the exception of the West Greenland stock, which is given in Appendix II (trade controls required). The dwarf minke whale (B. acutorostrata subspecies) has no population estimate, and its conservation status is categorised as "data deficient"..

If they are not in danger of extinction, then there should be no ban on hunting.

Also, if OP had actually read the article, he would have seen that the Japanese are not the only ones hunting whales. If he had bothered to do further research about something he apparently feels so passionately about, he would have discovered that even some Americans (gasp!) hunt endangered whales.

Please don't let facts interfere with your opinions. Carry on.
 

morpheus305

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Hunting land animals compared to sea whales are VERY different topics. When you are talking about hunting migratory birds that only live 3-5 years (depending on the species) their tolerance for hunting is much greater. Also, with large populations utilizing the same breeding/migratory grounds, hunting sometimes makes sense to keep the populations at a constant level, rather than "boom and bust" as it would otherwise.

Hunting whales that are very sensitive to population changes, reproduce EXTREMELY slowly, and are definitely not "over-crowded" just doesn't make any sense.

Sounds like a valid point to me.
 

Moonbeam

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Come to Tennessee if you want to see deer. There are too many. If we banned hunting, the state would be littered with carcasses from starved animals.

So there is a need. Plus many hunters donate the meat.

There will always be deer in Tennessee as they population is managed.

See, you can think. Have more and more confidence in yourself.
 

Moonbeam

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36731050/ns/world_news-world_environment/

This makes me sad and angry at the same time. As far as I'm concerned, someone should sink every single whaling vessel (under the pretense of scientific research or not). Whales are a majestic species that should be preserved for future generations, there is absolutely no need to hunt them other than some idiots in Japan want to kill them.

Ah shit, PokerGuy, you disappoint me. You remind me of a story about Mulla Nasrudin:

Somebody wanted to borrow some money from the Mulla which he lent them and which they promptly re-payed. Later they came to borrow again and the Mulla went crazy. Get the hell away from me you freak, screamed the Mulla. But I re-payed my debt, said the person. Yes, said the Mulla, and I'm never going to allow you to ever fool me again.