Gross Law Enforcement overeaction targets sixth grader in North Carolina for Hacking

dmcowen674

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As everyone has seen by now, Poindexter has been placed in charge of a massive U.S. Government project that screens every word put on the Internet or E-mail. State and local Law enforcement also want in on the action too. This past week a sixth Grader who was blogging her personal diary was raided and interogated.

Edit: People had a problem with the Title of the thread, if you can come up with a better Title, post it.
In either case it is another Gross example of the Law system run amok especially with regards to Computers and Internet technology.

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North Carolina cops may have lied, posed as FBI cybercrime agents

Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 14:20:03 -0400
From: Ben Brunk
To: declan@well.com
Subject: I think this will interest many politech readers


Chapel Hill High School student's blog becomes subject of "FBI" investigation
http://indyweek.com/durham/current/triangles.html
http://www.upsaid.com/erinrocksout/index.php
http://www.newsobserver.com/front/story/2579239p-2393565c.html

Ms. Carter should know that anything she puts up on a website is accessible
to everyone in the world. Ignoring the fact that she suffers the
consequences for choosing to publish her diary to the world and thus not
protect her own privacy, what I find troubling about this story is that
local police are identifying themselves as federal agents merely because
they've been recruited into a federal cybercrime task force. This news
conforms with many other accounts of the disastrous results associated with
the federalization of police forces around the country. We have substance
prohibition to thank for this.

The chilling of free speech is always a reason for concern. As with TIA,
cyercrime investigators have a high probability of targeting the innocent
simply due to the fact that there are only a tiny handful of miscreants in
the world. It is hypocritical (but not very surprising) for a town that is
such a celebrated bastion of liberalism to be involved in questionable
federal programs that lead to problems for its citizens. If they are sworn
local police officers, they are bound by North Carolina laws, as well as
the state and US Constitutions, both of which prohibit secret searches.
That piece of garbage called the PATRIOT Act does not preempt the Bill or
Rights, and police shouldn't pretend that it does. Also, it is no trivial
matter that local police are enforcing federal laws. There was already a
US Supreme Court decision with regards to the Brady Act (gun background
checks), that determined that local police cannot (voluntarily or not)
enforce federal laws without compensation. There are probably more
relevant decisions that I am unaware of. I'm sure in this case there is
some convoluted legal veneer of justification for it all, but that isn't
going to be much comfort if more and more outrageous incidents take place.
If local police are unaccountable to local leaders and the citizens they
SERVE, what have we got?

Ben Brunk, PhD



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rudder

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Too me it sounds like an idiot police officer, trying to get on ahte FBI task force and make a quick name for himself by busting a "hacker." Hopefully the FBI will now can his application.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: rudder
Too me it sounds like an idiot police officer, trying to get on ahte FBI task force and make a quick name for himself by busting a "hacker." Hopefully the FBI will now can his application.

People said a similar thing in my case but yet then later the then Governor and a Senator backed up the Attorney General and others involved in the case on going forward on prosecution. They said I was the "biggest Hacker the State had ever seen" and "cost the State the most money ever relating to Computers." This is the exact words of the Attorney General.


 

rudder

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Yeh, I guess there is the "even though the officer is wrong we will still back him up so we don't look stupid either" theory.
 

Rainsford

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The topic of this thread does not seem to have anything to do with the news article. All I see here was some stupid NC cops lied and said they were "with" the FBI when they weren't. They didn't use spyware, they certainly didn't unleash it, and this girl wasn't a sixth grader. Posting on a public internet page about something being hacked when there was no reason to think it had been hacked is a little stupid. I love the quote, "It was really personal." Yes, I always put personal things on the internet where anyone at all can read them. This is a perfect example of why people should not use blogs if they don't want everyone to read them.
 

Corn

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Am I missing something? The title to this thread says "sixth grader", however the object of this investigation is 17 years old.

...and I don't see anything regarding spyware being "unleashed" on anyone either.


This thread title is misleading at best, and is most likely a purposeful fabrication.

[edit]D'OH! Rainsford beat me to the punch.:eek:
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
The topic of this thread does not seem to have anything to do with the news article. All I see here was some stupid NC cops lied and said they were "with" the FBI when they weren't. They didn't use spyware, they certainly didn't unleash it, and this girl wasn't a sixth grader. Posting on a public internet page about something being hacked when there was no reason to think it had been hacked is a little stupid. I love the quote, "It was really personal." Yes, I always put personal things on the internet where anyone at all can read them. This is a perfect example of why people should not use blogs if they don't want everyone to read them.

The spyware reference is to the Software used by Law enforcement not what was on her machine.


 

Corn

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The spyware reference is to the Software used by Law enforcement not what was on her machine.

Since this "sypware" wasn't used in this case, why did you state it as so in your thread title? This is a gross misrepresentation, your credibility is suspect.
 

Nitemare

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Isn't impersonating an fbi agent a felony?

What was on her diary that made them suspicious?
 

UltraQuiet

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Originally posted by: Corn
The spyware reference is to the Software used by Law enforcement not what was on her machine.

Since this "sypware" wasn't used in this case, why did you state it as so in your thread title? This is a gross misrepresentation, your credibility is suspect.

The entire thread title is a blatant and outright lie. Nothing more and nothing less.
 

tnitsuj

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Originally posted by: Corn
It's a blatant and outright lie. Nothing more and nothing less.

I agree.

Hear Hear!!!


I also want to know how exactly it was an overreaction? The officers interviewed a girl because they had some info that indicated she may know something about a compromise of a local government computer system. Soo what. The info didn't even come from anything exotic, a classmate said someting to a teacher. Big deal.
 

Bulk Beef

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My guess is that Dave is so shaken up by his unfortunate experience with THE MAN that he now breaks out in a cold sweat and starts muttering "Patriot Act, Patriot Act" to himself whenever he so much as sees a donut-munching security guard at the local strip mall.
 

waggy

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While the topic is a lie that does not excuse what the cops did.

personally i hope they get in trouble for impersonating a FBI agent. suspended without pay for a few months would be good or even fired.
 

ViRGE

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Originally posted by: sward666
My guess is that Dave is so shaken up by his unfortunate experience with THE MAN that he now breaks out in a cold sweat and starts muttering "Patriot Act, Patriot Act" to himself whenever he so much as sees a donut-munching security guard at the local strip mall.
Considering what he had to go through, I wouldn't blame him.:Q
 

LeadMagnet

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Let's have a contest who can say the most incriminating thing. We will all put $5 into a pot and who ever is contacted by the FBI wins.

I'll start it off -- "I was on the grassy knowel the day JFK was shot"
 

tcsenter

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As everyone has seen by now, Poindexter has been placed in charge of a massive U.S. Government project that screens every word put on the Internet or E-mail.
Really? Cool!

Bombs, guns, jihad, dirty, radioactive, Bin Laden, Yemen, Cole, Kobar, bombs, jihad, Alah, virgins, bombs, grenades, C4, gelled slurry, RDX, nuclear, virgins

The feds should be breaking my door down any minute!
 

LunarRay

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Originally posted by: tcsenter
As everyone has seen by now, Poindexter has been placed in charge of a massive U.S. Government project that screens every word put on the Internet or E-mail.
Really? Cool!

Bombs, guns, jihad, dirty, radioactive, Bin Laden, Yemen, Cole, Kobar, bombs, jihad, Alah, virgins, bombs, grenades, C4, gelled slurry, RDX, nuclear, virgins

The feds should be breaking my door down any minute!

No need to ... they have impounded your entire house. It was not an earthquake you felt and your old neighborhood is now a bit differn't. Watch for the doberman and cujo. Your status is defined as house arrest.:)
 

308nato

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.....gelled slurry bagged and hung at 200 meters at night with a cyalume stick tied to each bag to aid aiming is a great way to pass a summer evening......:D


 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: ViRGE
Originally posted by: sward666
My guess is that Dave is so shaken up by his unfortunate experience with THE MAN that he now breaks out in a cold sweat and starts muttering "Patriot Act, Patriot Act" to himself whenever he so much as sees a donut-munching security guard at the local strip mall.
Considering what he had to go through, I wouldn't blame him.:Q

They have no idea. I don't wish what I went through on anyone but sometimes some of the people on here get close to that wish.
Believe me they would prefer a drop kick in the nuts. :confused: