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Grinding Brakes

Jahee

Platinum Member
My front brakes i have noticed make a grinding sound, its kind of like the sound that you get after its been raining and there is a thin layer of rust on the surface of the discs that usually goes after a couple of stops. At first i thought it was the brake pads worn out, but im pretty sure its not because from my experience when the pads are going they start to squeak, mine dont do this. Anyone have any insight?
 
Originally posted by: FoBoT
your pads are gone and you just tore up your rotors

new rotors/pads FTW!

haha, nah the discs are fine i've run my finger over them theres no gouges or scratches on them or anything this is why im confused. Do you understand what i mean about the morning rust? its alot fainter than that sound.
 
What kind of pads do you have installed? I've been told metallic and ceramic pads are very noisy compared to regular pads but they also last longer. A trade off.
 
Originally posted by: mcvickj
What kind of pads do you have installed? I've been told metallic and ceramic pads are very noisy compared to regular pads but they also last longer. A trade off.

Oh really, i'm not sure what pads they are as i bought the car second hand and havent replaced them yet, that could explain it though!
 
Either pull the wheels yourself and examine BOTH sides of the rotor (make sure the car is on jack stands and level concret or asphalt with ebrake ON before you stick you head in the wheel well). With a drop light or flashlight you shoud be able to see the pads on most vehicles.

Otherwise have a tech check it out. Get an oil change at a place where they do free brake checks. You probably need it anyway.

Edit: Of course if the pads are riveted, seeing them from the side doesn't mean they are down to the rivets. If they are glued then any pad remaining means you are on the backing plate yet, but you don't know without removing them. But a good look at the rotors will tell you a lot. If they are scraping they are not necesarily trashed yet. They can probably be turned on a lathe.
 
Originally posted by: Meatyone
Either pull the wheels yourself and examine BOTH sides of the rotor (make sure the car is on jack stands and level concret or asphalt with ebrake ON before you stick you head in the wheel well). With a drop light or flashlight you shoud be able to see the pads on most vehicles.

Otherwise have a tech check it out. Get an oil change at a place where they do free brake checks. You probably need it anyway.

Edit: Of course if the pads are riveted, seeing them from the side doesn't mean they are down to the rivets. If they are glued then any pad remaining means you are on the backing plate yet, but you don't know without removing them. But a good look at the rotors will tell you a lot. If they are scraping they are not necesarily trashed yet. They can probably be turned on a lathe.

Agreed, just because the outside of the rotor isn't scored doesn't mean the inboard pad isn't worn down to the metal plate and tearing up your rotors.

Grinding noises in the brakes are never a good thing. Get it checked before you really do need new rotors.
 
if it does it all the time, the pads are shot and your rotors probably are, too.

i had an interesting experience with my car where the pads got thin, but not totally gone, and the rotors were very thin after several pad-slaps with the same rotors. the pads would overheat so quickly that they would get all scorched up during brutal stops. i'd get huge pulsations in the brake pedal, and noticeable brake fade and grinding. the grinding and fade would continue the next time i hit the brakes, regardless of the length of time the brakes had to cool. after i ground off the scorched layer through regular braking, they would work fine again. i got the pads replaced (still same rotors) and all of these symptoms went away. no pulses, no fade, no grinding.
 
Originally posted by: thomsbrain
if it does it all the time, the pads are shot and your rotors probably are, too.

i had an interesting experience with my car where the pads got thin, but not totally gone, and the rotors were very thin after several pad-slaps with the same rotors. the pads would overheat so quickly that they would get all scorched up during brutal stops. i'd get huge pulsations in the brake pedal, and noticeable brake fade and grinding. the grinding and fade would continue the next time i hit the brakes, regardless of the length of time the brakes had to cool. after i ground off the scorched layer through regular braking, they would work fine again. i got the pads replaced (still same rotors) and all of these symptoms went away. no pulses, no fade, no grinding.

..usuall sound when friction material on pad is gone thru wear or bonding failed and friction material fell off. get it checked out before you rear end somebody.

 
Ok i checked both sides of the rotors, they both seem fine, no scores or anything, the inside side of the disc does feel a bit rougher than the outside side though, maybe theres a buildup of pad material?? that could possibly make that sound? Otherwise im stuck, the cars booked in for something to be fixed under warranty next week so i'll ask them to check that out at the time time...

Originally posted by: akshatp
Why did you spell brakes correctly in the title, but incorrectly in the post?

My front breaks

Because its a mistake i always make, i guess i jus didnt see that one haha.
 
Originally posted by: Jahee
Ok i checked both sides of the rotors, they both seem fine, no scores or anything, the inside side of the disc does feel a bit rougher than the outside side though, maybe theres a buildup of pad material?? that could possibly make that sound? Otherwise im stuck, the cars booked in for something to be fixed under warranty next week so i'll ask them to check that out at the time time...

Originally posted by: akshatp
Why did you spell brakes correctly in the title, but incorrectly in the post?

My front breaks

Because its a mistake i always make, i guess i jus didnt see that one haha.


Did you jack the care and take the tire off? How did the pads look? If you did'nt I would
 
Sorry ppl i went out, but thanks for ur answers... To soccerman, the pads are older than 2 weeks i think they are way past that wear in period, to turin no i didnt jack the car up just turned the wheel to full lock and stuck my arm behind the wheel and felt the backside of the disc. but when i get the time i'll check them visually too,
 
You need to look at the PADS, not the rotors. See how much pad there is left, if any.

Usually one side goes before the other. Both sides don't usually go metal-to-metal at the exact same time. When pads get thin, even though it looks like there's a couple thousand miles of wear left, sometimes they crack and fall off the backing plate and you don't get to use that last little bit.

Oh, and if you caught it right when they went metal-to-metal, there probably isn't a gouge in the rotor...yet.
 
Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
You need to look at the PADS, not the rotors. See how much pad there is left, if any.

Usually one side goes before the other. Both sides don't usually go metal-to-metal at the exact same time. When pads get thin, even though it looks like there's a couple thousand miles of wear left, sometimes they crack and fall off the backing plate and you don't get to use that last little bit.

Oh, and if you caught it right when they went metal-to-metal, there probably isn't a gouge in the rotor...yet.

well its been doing it for what about 2 weeks, but yea when its in the shop next week i'll ask them to check it, cos im sure they shouldnt be making those sounds! thanks for ur input...
 
Originally posted by: Jahee
Sorry ppl i went out, but thanks for ur answers... To soccerman, the pads are older than 2 weeks i think they are way past that wear in period, to turin no i didnt jack the car up just turned the wheel to full lock and stuck my arm behind the wheel and felt the backside of the disc. but when i get the time i'll check them visually too,

That's where I'd look for grinding noises, even if it hasn't seriously scored the rotor yet it could be causing damage. I've had pad's seperate from their backing, move around to where they werent supposed to be, causing grinding noise and eventually failing brakes. I know it can be hard to find the time, but I'm pretty sure that's where your problem is.

It's nice if you have another car handy to run to the parts store so you can get everything you need after you take a good look.
 
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