GRID: Greens, Republicans, Independents and Democrats Coalition with sole purpose to replace Bush

dmcowen674

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2-17-2004 Same old partisan politics treat elections like a sporting event

If Bush wins in November and things go really bad, the good jobs don't come back, the debt doesn't go down, and the war drags on, the Republican party may be damaged irreparably.

Anyone who has read my columns knows I'm not happy with President Bush. He has turned the nation's surplus into a deficit, one that is likely to be with us for generations to come. He has soured former friendships by unilaterally attacking another sovereign nation. And he seriously has damaged the nation's credibility when his justification for war proved wanting.

But this doesn't automatically make me into a Democrat. Until recently I have stayed away from any party affiliation. Then I discovered GRID. Strictly speaking, GRID isn't a party at all; it stands for Greens, Republicans, Independents and Democrats, and it is a coalition with a single focus: To replace George Bush.

Bush, like Clinton before him, has angered his opposition to such a degree they no longer think straight. The purpose behind any coalition is to make a common cause. In this case the common cause is the welfare of the nation, it is not to destroy one individual or one party.

If members of GRID forget that, if they let their passions run away them, they will serve no positive end. The nation is divided enough as it is. Another disputed election will do no one good. Whoever wins the contest must be able to govern.

GRID will be good for Georgia and the country if it remembers the following:


To keep its promise to focus solely on the issues. No personal attacks.

To remember it is not a political party; it is a coalition.

To remember its problem lies with George W. Bush and the present administration, not with Republican politics as such.
 

EXman

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GRID will be good for Georgia and the country if it remembers the following:

Ok raise your hand if you are tired of hearing about Georgia? :D
 

kylebisme

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I'm in Georgia, Georgia, sweet Georgia
No peace, no peace I find
Just this old sweet song
Keeps Georgia forever on my mind

:D
 

dmcowen674

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2-17-2004 No one has lost the freedom to speak, "Yet"

NPR is about as liberal as it gets and receives a portion of my tax dollars, which I resent. Fox News is the lone exception to liberal media, and yet, Fox takes President Bush to task for his immigration policy, the prescription drug thing, not buying prescriptions in Canada, and his "Bare Bones Budget" giving $15 million to the National Endowment for the Arts.

Many Republicans fault him for this and more. I didn't vote for Bush, but I pray for him daily.

The freedom to assemble peacefully in disagreement still is in place. But assembly to block sidewalks, roads and generally cause havoc is not.

I thought this was settled when the courts made plain that blocking sidewalks and streets in front of abortion clinics and harassing employees and women seeking to enter for an abortion didn't fly. It seems the demonstrators in Miami got out of hand.

I would like you to prove from Congressional records that funding for public education was cut since the Bush administration upped the ante to record levels on this last year.

As for the Iraqi and Afghan- istan citizens: The citizens now are breathing freedom, which they have not for years. New business by the citizens boom. Schools, hospitals and clinics are open and the sick receive treatment and hope, neither of which was available a year ago.
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Oh I see, the Iraq and Afghanistan Economies are "Booming" as well as the U.S. now, how thoughtful of us.

 

HardWarrior

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
2-17-2004 No one has lost the freedom to speak, "Yet"

As for the Iraqi and Afghan- istan citizens: The citizens now are breathing freedom, which they have not for years. New business by the citizens boom. Schools, hospitals and clinics are open and the sick receive treatment and hope, neither of which was available a year ago.

But at what cost? 10's of thousands dead, a direct breach of constitutional authority, billions of $ spend that we don't have in the first place, bribery-bullying-spying to twist the arms of weaker UN member, millions of people world-wide who hate us for our arrogance and "bomb-first" mentality, etc...

I voted for Bush because he promised NOT to nation-build and seemingly thought an injection of humility in foreign affairs would help America. He lied like a rug.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
2-17-2004 No one has lost the freedom to speak, "Yet"

As for the Iraqi and Afghan- istan citizens: The citizens now are breathing freedom, which they have not for years. New business by the citizens boom. Schools, hospitals and clinics are open and the sick receive treatment and hope, neither of which was available a year ago.

But at what cost? 10's of thousands dead, a direct breach of constitutional authority, billions of $ spend that we don't have in the first place, bribery-bullying-spying to twist the arms of weaker UN member, millions of people world-wide who hate us for our arrogance and "bomb-first" mentality, etc...

I voted for Bush because he promised NOT to nation-build and seemingly thought an injection of humility in foreign affairs would help America. He lied like a rug.

So you're going to "teach him a lesson" by voting for an "internationalist"? Yeah, that'll be good for America.

CkG
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
2-17-2004 No one has lost the freedom to speak, "Yet"

As for the Iraqi and Afghan- istan citizens: The citizens now are breathing freedom, which they have not for years. New business by the citizens boom. Schools, hospitals and clinics are open and the sick receive treatment and hope, neither of which was available a year ago.

But at what cost? 10's of thousands dead, a direct breach of constitutional authority, billions of $ spend that we don't have in the first place, bribery-bullying-spying to twist the arms of weaker UN member, millions of people world-wide who hate us for our arrogance and "bomb-first" mentality, etc...

I voted for Bush because he promised NOT to nation-build and seemingly thought an injection of humility in foreign affairs would help America. He lied like a rug.

So you're going to "teach him a lesson" by voting for an "internationalist"? Yeah, that'll be good for America.

CkG

Maybe he like myself is dissatisfied with the person I helped hired. Well, I am going to try to get him fired. Bush can go back to running a baseball team, something he did relatively well.
 

Nitemare

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When they mount a candidate that is pro-national defense then they will have my vote.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
2-17-2004 No one has lost the freedom to speak, "Yet"

As for the Iraqi and Afghan- istan citizens: The citizens now are breathing freedom, which they have not for years. New business by the citizens boom. Schools, hospitals and clinics are open and the sick receive treatment and hope, neither of which was available a year ago.

But at what cost? 10's of thousands dead, a direct breach of constitutional authority, billions of $ spend that we don't have in the first place, bribery-bullying-spying to twist the arms of weaker UN member, millions of people world-wide who hate us for our arrogance and "bomb-first" mentality, etc...

I voted for Bush because he promised NOT to nation-build and seemingly thought an injection of humility in foreign affairs would help America. He lied like a rug.

So you're going to "teach him a lesson" by voting for an "internationalist"? Yeah, that'll be good for America.

CkG

Maybe he like myself is dissatisfied with the person I helped hired. Well, I am going to try to get him fired. Bush can go back to running a baseball team, something he did relatively well.

So, it doesn't matter who you get instead?

CkG
 

SViscusi

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Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
2-17-2004 No one has lost the freedom to speak, "Yet"

As for the Iraqi and Afghan- istan citizens: The citizens now are breathing freedom, which they have not for years. New business by the citizens boom. Schools, hospitals and clinics are open and the sick receive treatment and hope, neither of which was available a year ago.

But at what cost? 10's of thousands dead, a direct breach of constitutional authority, billions of $ spend that we don't have in the first place, bribery-bullying-spying to twist the arms of weaker UN member, millions of people world-wide who hate us for our arrogance and "bomb-first" mentality, etc...

I voted for Bush because he promised NOT to nation-build and seemingly thought an injection of humility in foreign affairs would help America. He lied like a rug.

So you're going to "teach him a lesson" by voting for an "internationalist"? Yeah, that'll be good for America.

CkG

Maybe he like myself is dissatisfied with the person I helped hired. Well, I am going to try to get him fired. Bush can go back to running a baseball team, something he did relatively well.

Rangers sucked then too.
 

HardWarrior

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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
2-17-2004 No one has lost the freedom to speak, "Yet"

As for the Iraqi and Afghan- istan citizens: The citizens now are breathing freedom, which they have not for years. New business by the citizens boom. Schools, hospitals and clinics are open and the sick receive treatment and hope, neither of which was available a year ago.

But at what cost? 10's of thousands dead, a direct breach of constitutional authority, billions of $ spend that we don't have in the first place, bribery-bullying-spying to twist the arms of weaker UN member, millions of people world-wide who hate us for our arrogance and "bomb-first" mentality, etc...

I voted for Bush because he promised NOT to nation-build and seemingly thought an injection of humility in foreign affairs would help America. He lied like a rug.

So you're going to "teach him a lesson" by voting for an "internationalist"? Yeah, that'll be good for America.

CkG

Again, look-down-your-nose sarcasm instead of cordial discourse. If you mean Kerry, when did I say I was going to vote for him? Do you have any idea how intellectually tiring the "Who else are you going to vote for?" line is? By rights we shouldn't even be having the "conversation." If American's had been a bit less selfish and stupid, these guys would be gagged and locked in the constitutional cage.

 

heartsurgeon

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dave...why don't you just quote yourself.....no need to find a letter to the editor and dress it up like it's a newspaper article...save yourself alot of time..oh...i forgot, you do that as well.
 

HardWarrior

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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
2-17-2004 No one has lost the freedom to speak, "Yet"

As for the Iraqi and Afghan- istan citizens: The citizens now are breathing freedom, which they have not for years. New business by the citizens boom. Schools, hospitals and clinics are open and the sick receive treatment and hope, neither of which was available a year ago.

But at what cost? 10's of thousands dead, a direct breach of constitutional authority, billions of $ spend that we don't have in the first place, bribery-bullying-spying to twist the arms of weaker UN member, millions of people world-wide who hate us for our arrogance and "bomb-first" mentality, etc...

I voted for Bush because he promised NOT to nation-build and seemingly thought an injection of humility in foreign affairs would help America. He lied like a rug.

So you're going to "teach him a lesson" by voting for an "internationalist"? Yeah, that'll be good for America.

CkG

Maybe he like myself is dissatisfied with the person I helped hired. Well, I am going to try to get him fired. Bush can go back to running a baseball team, something he did relatively well.

So, it doesn't matter who you get instead?

CkG

They're ALL the same. But Bush killed a LOT of people for no good or supportable reason and drove US arrogance to new heights. In my book, that makes him an his coven of wiseass spyboys are MUCH worse. And NOW, after running up 1/2 trillion dollars in debt, he says he "feels my pain?" Libertarian for me this time.

 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
2-17-2004 No one has lost the freedom to speak, "Yet"

As for the Iraqi and Afghan- istan citizens: The citizens now are breathing freedom, which they have not for years. New business by the citizens boom. Schools, hospitals and clinics are open and the sick receive treatment and hope, neither of which was available a year ago.

But at what cost? 10's of thousands dead, a direct breach of constitutional authority, billions of $ spend that we don't have in the first place, bribery-bullying-spying to twist the arms of weaker UN member, millions of people world-wide who hate us for our arrogance and "bomb-first" mentality, etc...

I voted for Bush because he promised NOT to nation-build and seemingly thought an injection of humility in foreign affairs would help America. He lied like a rug.

So you're going to "teach him a lesson" by voting for an "internationalist"? Yeah, that'll be good for America.

CkG

Again, look-down-your-nose sarcasm instead of cordial discourse. If you mean Kerry, when did I say I was going to vote for him? Do you have any idea how intellectually tiring the "Who else are you going to vote for?" line is? By rights we shouldn't even be having the "conversation." If American's had been a bit less selfish and stupid, these guys would be gagged and locked in the constitutional cage.

No, the question is very viable. Are you going to "teach him a lesson" by voting for an "internationalist"? I take it you claim "no" and are going to vote for this currently absent "Libertarian". That's fine.

CkG
 

HardWarrior

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Originally posted by: Nitemare
When they mount a candidate that is pro-national defense then they will have my vote.

We have the biggest stockpile of weapons on the planet and the only tangible threat to us is a direct outgrowth of our own arrogance and stupidity. Why not work on that dichotomy before we start a new and horribly more expensive military build-up?

 

HardWarrior

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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
2-17-2004 No one has lost the freedom to speak, "Yet"

As for the Iraqi and Afghan- istan citizens: The citizens now are breathing freedom, which they have not for years. New business by the citizens boom. Schools, hospitals and clinics are open and the sick receive treatment and hope, neither of which was available a year ago.

But at what cost? 10's of thousands dead, a direct breach of constitutional authority, billions of $ spend that we don't have in the first place, bribery-bullying-spying to twist the arms of weaker UN member, millions of people world-wide who hate us for our arrogance and "bomb-first" mentality, etc...

I voted for Bush because he promised NOT to nation-build and seemingly thought an injection of humility in foreign affairs would help America. He lied like a rug.

So you're going to "teach him a lesson" by voting for an "internationalist"? Yeah, that'll be good for America.

CkG

Again, look-down-your-nose sarcasm instead of cordial discourse. If you mean Kerry, when did I say I was going to vote for him? Do you have any idea how intellectually tiring the "Who else are you going to vote for?" line is? By rights we shouldn't even be having the "conversation." If American's had been a bit less selfish and stupid, these guys would be gagged and locked in the constitutional cage.

No, the question is very viable. Are you going to "teach him a lesson" by voting for an "internationalist"? I take it you claim "no" and are going to vote for this currently absent "Libertarian". That's fine.

CkG

All questions are viable, but some are more viable than others. Why should I vote for a man that I think has done a horrible job in office just because the next guy >might< be worse? Is that the way free men should function? Also, please address my entire post, not just a second-hand premise.

 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
2-17-2004 No one has lost the freedom to speak, "Yet"

As for the Iraqi and Afghan- istan citizens: The citizens now are breathing freedom, which they have not for years. New business by the citizens boom. Schools, hospitals and clinics are open and the sick receive treatment and hope, neither of which was available a year ago.

But at what cost? 10's of thousands dead, a direct breach of constitutional authority, billions of $ spend that we don't have in the first place, bribery-bullying-spying to twist the arms of weaker UN member, millions of people world-wide who hate us for our arrogance and "bomb-first" mentality, etc...

I voted for Bush because he promised NOT to nation-build and seemingly thought an injection of humility in foreign affairs would help America. He lied like a rug.

So you're going to "teach him a lesson" by voting for an "internationalist"? Yeah, that'll be good for America.

CkG

Maybe he like myself is dissatisfied with the person I helped hired. Well, I am going to try to get him fired. Bush can go back to running a baseball team, something he did relatively well.

So, it doesn't matter who you get instead?

CkG

They're ALL the same. But Bush killed a LOT of people for no good or supportable reason and drove US arrogance to new heights. In my book, that makes him an his coven of wiseass spyboys are MUCH worse. And NOW, after running up 1/2 trillion dollars in debt, he says he "feels my pain?" Libertarian for me this time.

That's fine that you hold that opinion that the war wasn't "supportable" and arrogant. I don't feel it was either and I have plenty to back that up. Many here seem to easily forget that it was Saddam who was supposed to comply with the terms set forth in the cease-fire agreement. He did not do so. Us finishing the job since he did not comply is not arrogant at all and is supported by years of defiance.

Now for someone who whines about condescending sarcasm and such - you sure don't seem to have a problem posting name-calling drivel and other derogatory sarcasm(or just plain derogatory tripe). I suggest you either stop doing it yourself, or quit whining about others;)

CkG
 

HardWarrior

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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
2-17-2004 No one has lost the freedom to speak, "Yet"

As for the Iraqi and Afghan- istan citizens: The citizens now are breathing freedom, which they have not for years. New business by the citizens boom. Schools, hospitals and clinics are open and the sick receive treatment and hope, neither of which was available a year ago.

But at what cost? 10's of thousands dead, a direct breach of constitutional authority, billions of $ spend that we don't have in the first place, bribery-bullying-spying to twist the arms of weaker UN member, millions of people world-wide who hate us for our arrogance and "bomb-first" mentality, etc...

I voted for Bush because he promised NOT to nation-build and seemingly thought an injection of humility in foreign affairs would help America. He lied like a rug.

So you're going to "teach him a lesson" by voting for an "internationalist"? Yeah, that'll be good for America.

CkG

Maybe he like myself is dissatisfied with the person I helped hired. Well, I am going to try to get him fired. Bush can go back to running a baseball team, something he did relatively well.

So, it doesn't matter who you get instead?

CkG

They're ALL the same. But Bush killed a LOT of people for no good or supportable reason and drove US arrogance to new heights. In my book, that makes him an his coven of wiseass spyboys are MUCH worse. And NOW, after running up 1/2 trillion dollars in debt, he says he "feels my pain?" Libertarian for me this time.

That's fine that you hold that opinion that the war wasn't "supportable" and arrogant. I don't feel it was either and I have plenty to back that up. Many here seem to easily forget that it was Saddam who was supposed to comply with the terms set forth in the cease-fire agreement. He did not do so. Us finishing the job since he did not comply is not arrogant at all and is supported by years of defiance.

Now for someone who whines about condescending sarcasm and such - you sure don't seem to have a problem posting name-calling drivel and other derogatory sarcasm(or just plain derogatory tripe). I suggest you either stop doing it yourself, or quit whining about others;)

CkG

You know what? I REALLY want to kick your ass, you smarmy sack of sh1t. Consider this my last RESPONSE to your crap.

 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY



[That's fine that you hold that opinion that the war wasn't "supportable" and arrogant. I don't feel it was either and I have plenty to back that up. Many here seem to easily forget that it was Saddam who was supposed to comply with the terms set forth in the cease-fire agreement. He did not do so. Us finishing the job since he did not comply is not arrogant at all and is supported by years of defiance.


CkG
Why did the Dub feel it was necessary to decieve the American Public to support his excellent adventure in Iraq the way he did instead of just coming out and saying that we needed to finish what we started back during his Father's administration? Do you think it was because he knew he wouldn't get the public support he needed to invade and occupy Iraq? Could it possibly be that his Neocon Handlers believed that in the aftermath of the 9/11 attack and successful beginning nof the war against Al Qaeda that maybe the Americans flushed with Patriotism along with Bushes favorable ratings they knew that this was an opportunity for them to exercise their main agenda and that given time they might not ever have such an opportunity again?
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
2-17-2004 No one has lost the freedom to speak, "Yet"

As for the Iraqi and Afghan- istan citizens: The citizens now are breathing freedom, which they have not for years. New business by the citizens boom. Schools, hospitals and clinics are open and the sick receive treatment and hope, neither of which was available a year ago.

But at what cost? 10's of thousands dead, a direct breach of constitutional authority, billions of $ spend that we don't have in the first place, bribery-bullying-spying to twist the arms of weaker UN member, millions of people world-wide who hate us for our arrogance and "bomb-first" mentality, etc...

I voted for Bush because he promised NOT to nation-build and seemingly thought an injection of humility in foreign affairs would help America. He lied like a rug.

So you're going to "teach him a lesson" by voting for an "internationalist"? Yeah, that'll be good for America.

CkG

Again, look-down-your-nose sarcasm instead of cordial discourse. If you mean Kerry, when did I say I was going to vote for him? Do you have any idea how intellectually tiring the "Who else are you going to vote for?" line is? By rights we shouldn't even be having the "conversation." If American's had been a bit less selfish and stupid, these guys would be gagged and locked in the constitutional cage.

No, the question is very viable. Are you going to "teach him a lesson" by voting for an "internationalist"? I take it you claim "no" and are going to vote for this currently absent "Libertarian". That's fine.

CkG

All questions are viable, but some are more viable than others. Why should I vote for a man that I think has done a horrible job in office just because the next guy >might< be worse? Is that the way free men should function? Also, please address my entire post, not just a second-hand premise.

No, if you are whining about options for choosing president, the question becomes - who do you think will be better for America and weigh the issues in the equation too. If you feel foreign relations are important - an "internationalist" like kerry might be your guy, but if you feel America should be able to protect itself, it's freinds, and it's interests then he might not be your choice, where as Bush might be a better fit. Now weighing each issue might get tiresome for many people so they come up with little chants like "anyone but Bush" because it's easier to say that then look at the issues.

Anyway - your opinion is fine for you and I did address your post. Your opinion and ranting sometimes doesn't warrant a response;)

CkG
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: HardWarrior
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
2-17-2004 No one has lost the freedom to speak, "Yet"

As for the Iraqi and Afghan- istan citizens: The citizens now are breathing freedom, which they have not for years. New business by the citizens boom. Schools, hospitals and clinics are open and the sick receive treatment and hope, neither of which was available a year ago.

But at what cost? 10's of thousands dead, a direct breach of constitutional authority, billions of $ spend that we don't have in the first place, bribery-bullying-spying to twist the arms of weaker UN member, millions of people world-wide who hate us for our arrogance and "bomb-first" mentality, etc...

I voted for Bush because he promised NOT to nation-build and seemingly thought an injection of humility in foreign affairs would help America. He lied like a rug.

So you're going to "teach him a lesson" by voting for an "internationalist"? Yeah, that'll be good for America.

CkG

Maybe he like myself is dissatisfied with the person I helped hired. Well, I am going to try to get him fired. Bush can go back to running a baseball team, something he did relatively well.

So, it doesn't matter who you get instead?

CkG

They're ALL the same. But Bush killed a LOT of people for no good or supportable reason and drove US arrogance to new heights. In my book, that makes him an his coven of wiseass spyboys are MUCH worse. And NOW, after running up 1/2 trillion dollars in debt, he says he "feels my pain?" Libertarian for me this time.

That's fine that you hold that opinion that the war wasn't "supportable" and arrogant. I don't feel it was either and I have plenty to back that up. Many here seem to easily forget that it was Saddam who was supposed to comply with the terms set forth in the cease-fire agreement. He did not do so. Us finishing the job since he did not comply is not arrogant at all and is supported by years of defiance.

Now for someone who whines about condescending sarcasm and such - you sure don't seem to have a problem posting name-calling drivel and other derogatory sarcasm(or just plain derogatory tripe). I suggest you either stop doing it yourself, or quit whining about others;)

CkG

You know what? I REALLY want to kick your ass, you smarmy sack of sh1t. Consider this my last RESPONSE to your crap.

<sniffle>:brokenheart::( <sniffle>

rolleye.gif


CkG
 

CADsortaGUY

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY



[That's fine that you hold that opinion that the war wasn't "supportable" and arrogant. I don't feel it was either and I have plenty to back that up. Many here seem to easily forget that it was Saddam who was supposed to comply with the terms set forth in the cease-fire agreement. He did not do so. Us finishing the job since he did not comply is not arrogant at all and is supported by years of defiance.


CkG
Why did the Dub feel it was necessary to decieve the American Public to support his excellent adventure in Iraq the way he did instead of just coming out and saying that we needed to finish what we started back during his Father's administration? Do you think it was because he knew he wouldn't get the public support he needed to invade and occupy Iraq? Could it possibly be that his Neocon Handlers believed that in the aftermath of the 9/11 attack and successful beginning nof the war against Al Qaeda that maybe the Americans flushed with Patriotism along with Bushes favorable ratings they knew that this was an opportunity for them to exercise their main agenda and that given time they might not ever have such an opportunity again?

That could be, but it doesn't change the fact that Saddam did NOT even come close to fulfilling his obligations. We could speculate all day about this or that, but the one thing that is FACT - is that Saddam didn't fulfill his obligations of the cease-fire terms. NO ONE can argue with that - NO ONE.

CkG
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY



[That's fine that you hold that opinion that the war wasn't "supportable" and arrogant. I don't feel it was either and I have plenty to back that up. Many here seem to easily forget that it was Saddam who was supposed to comply with the terms set forth in the cease-fire agreement. He did not do so. Us finishing the job since he did not comply is not arrogant at all and is supported by years of defiance.


CkG
Why did the Dub feel it was necessary to decieve the American Public to support his excellent adventure in Iraq the way he did instead of just coming out and saying that we needed to finish what we started back during his Father's administration? Do you think it was because he knew he wouldn't get the public support he needed to invade and occupy Iraq? Could it possibly be that his Neocon Handlers believed that in the aftermath of the 9/11 attack and successful beginning nof the war against Al Qaeda that maybe the Americans flushed with Patriotism along with Bushes favorable ratings they knew that this was an opportunity for them to exercise their main agenda and that given time they might not ever have such an opportunity again?

That could be, but it doesn't change the fact that Saddam did NOT even come close to fulfilling his obligations. We could speculate all day about this or that, but the one thing that is FACT - is that Saddam didn't fulfill his obligations of the cease-fire terms. NO ONE can argue with that - NO ONE.

CkG

There are a great many people in this world who have the capability to create mayhem who did not live up to expectations.
Because they have not does not mean a war is necessary or desireable.

IMO Bush is one of those, but I do not advocate violence against him. In fact, he has done so more recently than Saddam.

Saddam was not a threat to the US since the Gulf war. We went to war because we could. No other reason. Bush wanted Saddam out. He said it was ALWAYS about regiem change. That I believe