Greenspan:2-25-04 IT jobs are for other Countries, not the U.S.

[charrison]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: charrison
Any one have stats on burger flipper demand?

From your link:

12/31/2003
Under/Un-Employment at 9.7% in U.S. ? Millions not counted
Filed under: General? mshiltonj @ 10:42 pm
The LA Times has an article (through Yahoo News) about underemployment. It says:


The nation?s official jobless rate is 5.9%, a relatively benign level by historical standards. But economists say that figure paints only a partial ? and artificially rosy ? picture of the labor market.

To begin with, there are the 8.7 million unemployed, defined as those without a job who are actively looking for work. But lurking behind that group are 4.9 million part-time workers ? who say they would rather be working full time ? the highest number in a decade.

There are also the 1.5 million people who want a job but didn?t look for one in the last month. Nearly a third of this group say they stopped the search because they were too depressed about the prospect of finding anything. Officially termed ?discouraged,? their number has surged 20% in a year.

Add these three groups together and the jobless total for the U.S. hits 9.7%, up from 9.4% a year ago.

I dont know where you are pulling that from, as none of that is in the link I posted. The Link i posted showed demand for tech people rising...

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: charrison
Any one have stats on burger flipper demand?

From your link:

12/31/2003
Under/Un-Employment at 9.7% in U.S. ? Millions not counted
Filed under: General? mshiltonj @ 10:42 pm
The LA Times has an article (through Yahoo News) about underemployment. It says:


The nation?s official jobless rate is 5.9%, a relatively benign level by historical standards. But economists say that figure paints only a partial ? and artificially rosy ? picture of the labor market.

To begin with, there are the 8.7 million unemployed, defined as those without a job who are actively looking for work. But lurking behind that group are 4.9 million part-time workers ? who say they would rather be working full time ? the highest number in a decade.

There are also the 1.5 million people who want a job but didn?t look for one in the last month. Nearly a third of this group say they stopped the search because they were too depressed about the prospect of finding anything. Officially termed ?discouraged,? their number has surged 20% in a year.

Add these three groups together and the jobless total for the U.S. hits 9.7%, up from 9.4% a year ago.

I dont know where you are pulling that from, as none of that is in the link I posted. The Link i posted showed demand for tech people rising...

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: charrison
Any one have stats on burger flipper demand?

From your link:

12/31/2003
Under/Un-Employment at 9.7% in U.S. ? Millions not counted
Filed under: General? mshiltonj @ 10:42 pm
The LA Times has an article (through Yahoo News) about underemployment. It says:


The nation?s official jobless rate is 5.9%, a relatively benign level by historical standards. But economists say that figure paints only a partial ? and artificially rosy ? picture of the labor market.

To begin with, there are the 8.7 million unemployed, defined as those without a job who are actively looking for work. But lurking behind that group are 4.9 million part-time workers ? who say they would rather be working full time ? the highest number in a decade.

There are also the 1.5 million people who want a job but didn?t look for one in the last month. Nearly a third of this group say they stopped the search because they were too depressed about the prospect of finding anything. Officially termed ?discouraged,? their number has surged 20% in a year.

Add these three groups together and the jobless total for the U.S. hits 9.7%, up from 9.4% a year ago.

I dont know where you are pulling that from, as none of that is in the link I posted. The Link i posted showed demand for tech people rising...

You're page with useless, meaningless charts has a link to the corresponding Blog of the guy that made your "precious" chart, he is an "Unemployed Libertarian Geek" as he calls himself.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: charrison
Any one have stats on burger flipper demand?

From your link:

12/31/2003
Under/Un-Employment at 9.7% in U.S. ? Millions not counted
Filed under: General? mshiltonj @ 10:42 pm
The LA Times has an article (through Yahoo News) about underemployment. It says:


The nation?s official jobless rate is 5.9%, a relatively benign level by historical standards. But economists say that figure paints only a partial ? and artificially rosy ? picture of the labor market.

To begin with, there are the 8.7 million unemployed, defined as those without a job who are actively looking for work. But lurking behind that group are 4.9 million part-time workers ? who say they would rather be working full time ? the highest number in a decade.

There are also the 1.5 million people who want a job but didn?t look for one in the last month. Nearly a third of this group say they stopped the search because they were too depressed about the prospect of finding anything. Officially termed ?discouraged,? their number has surged 20% in a year.

Add these three groups together and the jobless total for the U.S. hits 9.7%, up from 9.4% a year ago.

I dont know where you are pulling that from, as none of that is in the link I posted. The Link i posted showed demand for tech people rising...

You're page with useless, meaningless charts has a link to the corresponding Blog of the guy that made your "precious" chart, he is an "Unemployed Libertarian Geek" as he calls himself.

I guess they were useless, the graphs were going up, for you to accept them they would have to be going down.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: charrison
Any one have stats on burger flipper demand?

From your link:

12/31/2003
Under/Un-Employment at 9.7% in U.S. ? Millions not counted
Filed under: General? mshiltonj @ 10:42 pm
The LA Times has an article (through Yahoo News) about underemployment. It says:


The nation?s official jobless rate is 5.9%, a relatively benign level by historical standards. But economists say that figure paints only a partial ? and artificially rosy ? picture of the labor market.

To begin with, there are the 8.7 million unemployed, defined as those without a job who are actively looking for work. But lurking behind that group are 4.9 million part-time workers ? who say they would rather be working full time ? the highest number in a decade.

There are also the 1.5 million people who want a job but didn?t look for one in the last month. Nearly a third of this group say they stopped the search because they were too depressed about the prospect of finding anything. Officially termed ?discouraged,? their number has surged 20% in a year.

Add these three groups together and the jobless total for the U.S. hits 9.7%, up from 9.4% a year ago.

I dont know where you are pulling that from, as none of that is in the link I posted. The Link i posted showed demand for tech people rising...

You're page with useless, meaningless charts has a link to the corresponding Blog of the guy that made your "precious" chart, he is an "Unemployed Libertarian Geek" as he calls himself.

Ummmmm, then aforementioned "Unemployed Libertarian Geek" should be taking C# and Java classes then, instead of posting in his "Blog", so he can get a JOB.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: charrison
Any one have stats on burger flipper demand?

From your link:

12/31/2003
Under/Un-Employment at 9.7% in U.S. ? Millions not counted
Filed under: General? mshiltonj @ 10:42 pm
The LA Times has an article (through Yahoo News) about underemployment. It says:


The nation?s official jobless rate is 5.9%, a relatively benign level by historical standards. But economists say that figure paints only a partial ? and artificially rosy ? picture of the labor market.

To begin with, there are the 8.7 million unemployed, defined as those without a job who are actively looking for work. But lurking behind that group are 4.9 million part-time workers ? who say they would rather be working full time ? the highest number in a decade.

There are also the 1.5 million people who want a job but didn?t look for one in the last month. Nearly a third of this group say they stopped the search because they were too depressed about the prospect of finding anything. Officially termed ?discouraged,? their number has surged 20% in a year.

Add these three groups together and the jobless total for the U.S. hits 9.7%, up from 9.4% a year ago.

I dont know where you are pulling that from, as none of that is in the link I posted. The Link i posted showed demand for tech people rising...

You're page with useless, meaningless charts has a link to the corresponding Blog of the guy that made your "precious" chart, he is an "Unemployed Libertarian Geek" as he calls himself.

Ummmmm, then aforementioned "Unemployed Libertarian Geek" should be taking C# and Java classes then, instead of posting in his "Blog", so he can get a JOB.

Like that would help him.

All the C# and Java jobs have been shipped to India. The only answer is if he wants to remain in that field is for him to move to India.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Gand1

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by:CanOWorms

IT doesn't really lead into research. It's not a high-tech field. The elimination of IT jobs in the US has the same
effect on research as the elimination of burger flippers.

We'll soon find out but interestingly burgers flippers are growing in number.

How do you propose we close down every burger joint in the U.S.?

This is obviously comming from someone who has no clue in to what IT actually encompasses. IT is not just entry level programmers, it's network engineers and designers, yes, programmers, software developers, system specialists and a boatload more. Every major corp and school in this country has an IT department in it and trust me, without us "burger flippers" the US would come to a quick and crushing halt!

Every major university and corporation also has a janitorial department. Without them, the US would come to a quick and crushing halt, too! You can say this about many professions in our society.

Most IT jobs are to serve others. They don't lead the research. If the jobs are moved overseas, it's not going to impede our research because the IT job will still be done.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: charrison
Any one have stats on burger flipper demand?

From your link:

12/31/2003
Under/Un-Employment at 9.7% in U.S. ? Millions not counted
Filed under: General? mshiltonj @ 10:42 pm
The LA Times has an article (through Yahoo News) about underemployment. It says:


The nation?s official jobless rate is 5.9%, a relatively benign level by historical standards. But economists say that figure paints only a partial ? and artificially rosy ? picture of the labor market.

To begin with, there are the 8.7 million unemployed, defined as those without a job who are actively looking for work. But lurking behind that group are 4.9 million part-time workers ? who say they would rather be working full time ? the highest number in a decade.

There are also the 1.5 million people who want a job but didn?t look for one in the last month. Nearly a third of this group say they stopped the search because they were too depressed about the prospect of finding anything. Officially termed ?discouraged,? their number has surged 20% in a year.

Add these three groups together and the jobless total for the U.S. hits 9.7%, up from 9.4% a year ago.

I dont know where you are pulling that from, as none of that is in the link I posted. The Link i posted showed demand for tech people rising...

You're page with useless, meaningless charts has a link to the corresponding Blog of the guy that made your "precious" chart, he is an "Unemployed Libertarian Geek" as he calls himself.

Ummmmm, then aforementioned "Unemployed Libertarian Geek" should be taking C# and Java classes then, instead of posting in his "Blog", so he can get a JOB.

Like that would help him.

All the C# and Java jobs have been shipped to India. The only answer is if he wants to remain in that field is for him to move to India.

Riiiiiight.
They're all going to India! Keep in mind, over half of all jobs aren't even posted publicly. Monster is showing over 5000 Java jobs alone, that number could easily be in the 10's of thousands for unpublished Java jobs (remember, this is off of only one website alone). Go back to college and get your master's in comp sci, or get a Java internship somewhere and get your foot in the door. Whining and moaning that they all went to India is: a)untrue b)giving up

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: charrison
Any one have stats on burger flipper demand?

From your link:

12/31/2003
Under/Un-Employment at 9.7% in U.S. ? Millions not counted
Filed under: General? mshiltonj @ 10:42 pm
The LA Times has an article (through Yahoo News) about underemployment. It says:


The nation?s official jobless rate is 5.9%, a relatively benign level by historical standards. But economists say that figure paints only a partial ? and artificially rosy ? picture of the labor market.

To begin with, there are the 8.7 million unemployed, defined as those without a job who are actively looking for work. But lurking behind that group are 4.9 million part-time workers ? who say they would rather be working full time ? the highest number in a decade.

There are also the 1.5 million people who want a job but didn?t look for one in the last month. Nearly a third of this group say they stopped the search because they were too depressed about the prospect of finding anything. Officially termed ?discouraged,? their number has surged 20% in a year.

Add these three groups together and the jobless total for the U.S. hits 9.7%, up from 9.4% a year ago.

I dont know where you are pulling that from, as none of that is in the link I posted. The Link i posted showed demand for tech people rising...

You're page with useless, meaningless charts has a link to the corresponding Blog of the guy that made your "precious" chart, he is an "Unemployed Libertarian Geek" as he calls himself.

Ummmmm, then aforementioned "Unemployed Libertarian Geek" should be taking C# and Java classes then, instead of posting in his "Blog", so he can get a JOB.

Like that would help him.

All the C# and Java jobs have been shipped to India. The only answer is if he wants to remain in that field is for him to move to India.

Riiiiiight.
They're all going to India! Keep in mind, over half of all jobs aren't even posted publicly. Monster is showing over 5000 Java jobs alone, that number could easily be in the 10's of thousands for unpublished Java jobs (remember, this is off of only one website alone). Go back to college and get your master's in comp sci, or get a Java internship somewhere and get your foot in the door. Whining and moaning that they all went to India is: a)untrue b)giving up

This is hysterical. If there is 10,000+ Java jobs out there, then why are there millions out of work and easily 10,000+ Java programmers among them???

....crickets

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: charrison
Any one have stats on burger flipper demand?

From your link:

12/31/2003
Under/Un-Employment at 9.7% in U.S. ? Millions not counted
Filed under: General? mshiltonj @ 10:42 pm
The LA Times has an article (through Yahoo News) about underemployment. It says:


The nation?s official jobless rate is 5.9%, a relatively benign level by historical standards. But economists say that figure paints only a partial ? and artificially rosy ? picture of the labor market.

To begin with, there are the 8.7 million unemployed, defined as those without a job who are actively looking for work. But lurking behind that group are 4.9 million part-time workers ? who say they would rather be working full time ? the highest number in a decade.

There are also the 1.5 million people who want a job but didn?t look for one in the last month. Nearly a third of this group say they stopped the search because they were too depressed about the prospect of finding anything. Officially termed ?discouraged,? their number has surged 20% in a year.

Add these three groups together and the jobless total for the U.S. hits 9.7%, up from 9.4% a year ago.

I dont know where you are pulling that from, as none of that is in the link I posted. The Link i posted showed demand for tech people rising...

You're page with useless, meaningless charts has a link to the corresponding Blog of the guy that made your "precious" chart, he is an "Unemployed Libertarian Geek" as he calls himself.

Ummmmm, then aforementioned "Unemployed Libertarian Geek" should be taking C# and Java classes then, instead of posting in his "Blog", so he can get a JOB.

Like that would help him.

All the C# and Java jobs have been shipped to India. The only answer is if he wants to remain in that field is for him to move to India.

Riiiiiight.
They're all going to India! Keep in mind, over half of all jobs aren't even posted publicly. Monster is showing over 5000 Java jobs alone, that number could easily be in the 10's of thousands for unpublished Java jobs (remember, this is off of only one website alone). Go back to college and get your master's in comp sci, or get a Java internship somewhere and get your foot in the door. Whining and moaning that they all went to India is: a)untrue b)giving up

This is hysterical. If there is 10,000+ Java jobs out there, then why are there millions out of work and easily 10,000+ Java programmers among them???

....crickets

I think it's because of laziness. They'd rather complain that all their jobs are being shipped overseas.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: charrison
Any one have stats on burger flipper demand?

From your link:

12/31/2003
Under/Un-Employment at 9.7% in U.S. ? Millions not counted
Filed under: General? mshiltonj @ 10:42 pm
The LA Times has an article (through Yahoo News) about underemployment. It says:


The nation?s official jobless rate is 5.9%, a relatively benign level by historical standards. But economists say that figure paints only a partial ? and artificially rosy ? picture of the labor market.

To begin with, there are the 8.7 million unemployed, defined as those without a job who are actively looking for work. But lurking behind that group are 4.9 million part-time workers ? who say they would rather be working full time ? the highest number in a decade.

There are also the 1.5 million people who want a job but didn?t look for one in the last month. Nearly a third of this group say they stopped the search because they were too depressed about the prospect of finding anything. Officially termed ?discouraged,? their number has surged 20% in a year.

Add these three groups together and the jobless total for the U.S. hits 9.7%, up from 9.4% a year ago.

I dont know where you are pulling that from, as none of that is in the link I posted. The Link i posted showed demand for tech people rising...

You're page with useless, meaningless charts has a link to the corresponding Blog of the guy that made your "precious" chart, he is an "Unemployed Libertarian Geek" as he calls himself.

Ummmmm, then aforementioned "Unemployed Libertarian Geek" should be taking C# and Java classes then, instead of posting in his "Blog", so he can get a JOB.

Like that would help him.

All the C# and Java jobs have been shipped to India. The only answer is if he wants to remain in that field is for him to move to India.

Riiiiiight.
They're all going to India! Keep in mind, over half of all jobs aren't even posted publicly. Monster is showing over 5000 Java jobs alone, that number could easily be in the 10's of thousands for unpublished Java jobs (remember, this is off of only one website alone). Go back to college and get your master's in comp sci, or get a Java internship somewhere and get your foot in the door. Whining and moaning that they all went to India is: a)untrue b)giving up

This is hysterical. If there is 10,000+ Java jobs out there, then why are there millions out of work and easily 10,000+ Java programmers among them???

....crickets

I think it's because of laziness. They'd rather complain that all their jobs are being shipped overseas.

Oh, like they're not???

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: charrison
Any one have stats on burger flipper demand?

From your link:

12/31/2003
Under/Un-Employment at 9.7% in U.S. ? Millions not counted
Filed under: General? mshiltonj @ 10:42 pm
The LA Times has an article (through Yahoo News) about underemployment. It says:


The nation?s official jobless rate is 5.9%, a relatively benign level by historical standards. But economists say that figure paints only a partial ? and artificially rosy ? picture of the labor market.

To begin with, there are the 8.7 million unemployed, defined as those without a job who are actively looking for work. But lurking behind that group are 4.9 million part-time workers ? who say they would rather be working full time ? the highest number in a decade.

There are also the 1.5 million people who want a job but didn?t look for one in the last month. Nearly a third of this group say they stopped the search because they were too depressed about the prospect of finding anything. Officially termed ?discouraged,? their number has surged 20% in a year.

Add these three groups together and the jobless total for the U.S. hits 9.7%, up from 9.4% a year ago.

I dont know where you are pulling that from, as none of that is in the link I posted. The Link i posted showed demand for tech people rising...

You're page with useless, meaningless charts has a link to the corresponding Blog of the guy that made your "precious" chart, he is an "Unemployed Libertarian Geek" as he calls himself.

Ummmmm, then aforementioned "Unemployed Libertarian Geek" should be taking C# and Java classes then, instead of posting in his "Blog", so he can get a JOB.

Like that would help him.

All the C# and Java jobs have been shipped to India. The only answer is if he wants to remain in that field is for him to move to India.

Riiiiiight.
They're all going to India! Keep in mind, over half of all jobs aren't even posted publicly. Monster is showing over 5000 Java jobs alone, that number could easily be in the 10's of thousands for unpublished Java jobs (remember, this is off of only one website alone). Go back to college and get your master's in comp sci, or get a Java internship somewhere and get your foot in the door. Whining and moaning that they all went to India is: a)untrue b)giving up

This is hysterical. If there is 10,000+ Java jobs out there, then why are there millions out of work and easily 10,000+ Java programmers among them???

....crickets

I think it's because of laziness. They'd rather complain that all their jobs are being shipped overseas.

Oh, like they're not???

Exactly.

Also, if they still only have the skills that a high schooler possesses, then they need to reconsider their situation. They also like to overblow the entire situation. Kind of like how some of them say that Georgia Tech is dominated by women. Their gross exaggerations are dominating their views and their life.