Greenpeace's new car

[DurocShark]

http://archive.greenpeace.org/climate/smile/

Looks like a good effort. I'd drive it. But Greenpeace's extreme take on things is just frustrating.

They make a big deal about automobile pollution, and talk about how bad it is, but in the same article admit that autos are responsible for less than 20% of the pollution generated by mankind.

I was a Greenpeace member when I was in high school. But they just kept getting crazier and crazier. I finally dropped my membership and joined the Surfrider Foundation. They're much more realistic.

Some good quotes from GP's car article:

The car - a nail in the climate's coffin

The car's ecobalance: devastating

Cars - together with power stations- are the main producers of CO2. Today 500 million cars world-wide emit four billion tonnes of CO2 into the atmosphere - around 20 per cent of the total quantity produced by mankind.

etc...

 

[StageLeft]

Those points you quoted may be kind of true Greenpeace is like PITA: I agree with a lot of what they do, but they go about it so badly as to turn people off. Like using a little crash boat to stop a warship from going and doing its duty - they should be lucky they're not shot out of the water.

And with PITA I don't like how chickens are treated either, but when you're prancing in front of kids showing mutilated animals it's a bad sell on me.

 

[DurocShark]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Those points you quoted may be kind of true Greenpeace is like PITA: I agree with a lot of what they do, but they go about it so badly as to turn people off. Like using a little crash boat to stop a warship from going and doing its duty - they should be lucky they're not shot out of the water.

And with PITA I don't like how chickens are treated either, but when you're prancing in front of kids showing mutilated animals it's a bad sell on me.

Exactly. I've been a moderate environmentalist all my life. But when you're an extremist group like GP, all you do is turn off the fence sitters. And some of the people all the way on your side of the fence. :|

As for those idiots on the boats... I laugh every time and wish they WOULD get shot out of the water.

 

[Vortex22]

Supercharged 2 cylinder - 55 hp. LOL

 

[skace]

Title should read "Greenpeace's new bicycle"

 

[Nebor]

Screw the environment, I won't be around when it goes to hell, so it really doesn't matter to me.

Yeah, I'm selfish like that.

 

[Eli]

Hey, that's cool!

Specs

Their vehicle is much, much more aerodynamic. Reduced the weight from 2590lbs to 2314lbs.

The engine went from a N/A 1.2L inline 4 that produced 55HP @ 5300RPM and 66ftlbs @ 2800RPM, to a 0.358L supercharged 2 cylinder boxer engine producing 55HP @ 5500RPM and 55ftlbs @ 2900RPM.

Engine weight decreased from 231lbs to 77lbs.

Those numbers may seem obsurd to us, but that isn't the point! It's still badass engineering.

And they both do 0-100km/h(0-62mph) in appx. 14 seconds.

They reduced fuel consumption from(wow, they measure fuel usage weird) 62MPG to 71.2MPG, but also reduced emissions by more than half..

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: Eli
Hey, that's cool!

Specs

Their vehicle is much, much more aerodynamic. Reduced the weight from 2590lbs to 2314lbs.

The engine went from a N/A 1.2L inline 4 that produced 55HP @ 5300RPM and 66ftlbs @ 2800RPM, to a 0.358L supercharged 2 cylinder boxer engine producing 55HP @ 5500RPM and 55ftlbs @ 2900RPM.

Engine weight decreased from 231lbs to 77lbs.

Those numbers may seem obsurd to us, but that isn't the point! It's still badass engineering.

And they both do 0-100km/h(0-62mph) in appx. 14 seconds.

They reduced fuel consumption from(wow, they measure fuel usage weird) 62MPG to 71.2MPG, but also reduced emissions by more than half..

hehe, remember that dude on the Simpsons whos car runs on his own sense of self achievement? Hehe, crazy hippies.

 

[Eli]

 

[Demon-Xanth]

Funny that thier spec sheet missed a particular character: $

Great! You can make an engine that produces 800HP from only 2.65L, but that costs $300,000 for the engine alone and durability is a concern.

 

[Kenazo]

I would love such a car. Gas is far to expensive to try and be "cool" in a vehicle. I'd be tempted to make an electric car for runing around town, if it wasn't so cost prohibitive. Even something that could go 30 miles would be great. maybe even 10 miles would be good.

 

[gsaldivar]

Originally posted by: Vortex22
Supercharged 2 cylinder - 55 hp. LOL

LMAO!

HIPPIES SMELL

 

[notfred]

Hey, it's got half a motorcycle engine.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Nebor
Screw the environment, I won't be around when it goes to hell, so it really doesn't matter to me.

Yeah, I'm selfish like that.

You know you could just kill yourself now and save us the little bit you'll take from the environment if you cherish life and the world so little.

 

[CPA]

Fortunately my company blocks this site.

 

[gsaldivar]

You know you could just kill yourself now and save us the little bit you'll take from the environment if you cherish life and the world so little.

Or you could save him the trouble by going radical and start firebombing those who you don't think are hugging the trees hard enough.

 

[Eli]

Most of your attitudes suck.

 

[erikistired]

i'd to see one of these anti-car advocates biking from florida to cali.

 

[nakedfrog]

So... everybody starts driving one of these, we're all getting great gas mileage in our tiny yellow cars... gas demand drops because we're all getting 60MPG... and what happens to gas prices then?

 

[Aftermath]

Hmm..

As cool/intimidating as a mouse.
As smart as a pea-brain.
Easily stolen by thugs.
Eaten with a giant fork?

 

[Legendary]

Engineering-wise, cool.
As a whole, though, their corporation sucks.

 

[JDub02]

CO2 = plant food. Not too much to worry about here.

 

[klah]

Why do you think the co-founder of GP left? Because all of the anti-capitalists took over his organization.

www.greenspirit.com

I now find that many environmental groups have drifted into self-serving cliques with narrow vision and rigid ideology. At the same time that business and government are embracing public participation and inclusiveness, many environmentalists are showing signs of elitism, left-wingism, and downright eco-fascism. The once politically centrist, science-based vision of environmentalism has been largely replaced with extremist rhetoric. Science and logic have been abandoned and the movement is often used to promote other causes such as class struggle and anti-corporatism.

 

[MacBaine]

HEHE... it looks like a small mouse or chipmunk or something...

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: Nebor
Screw the environment, I won't be around when it goes to hell, so it really doesn't matter to me.

Yeah, I'm selfish like that.

You know you could just kill yourself now and save us the little bit you'll take from the environment if you cherish life and the world so little.

Why would I want to save anything for you? I can't see past my own nose.