'Green' Burials Growing in Popularity

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'Green' Burials Growing in Popularity
By WILLIAM KATES, Associated Press Writer
3 hours ago

NEWFIELD, N.Y. - It sits on the eastern fringe of New York's Finger Lakes region and is bounded on three sides by 8,000 acres of protected forests: the perfectly natural place to spend an eternity.

The 93-acre Greensprings Natural Cemetery is the first of its kind in New York and one of just a handful in the United States, where interest in "green" burial is just taking root.

Carl Leopold, a retired Cornell University plant scientist, bought one of the first 20 plots sold.

"It's so sensible," he said. "Putting bodies in a waterproof, permanent container protected from the environment, it's ridiculous."

At Greensprings, where a plot costs $500 plus a $350 fee to dig the grave, bodies cannot be embalmed or otherwise chemically preserved. They must be buried in biodegradable caskets without linings or metal ornamentation. The cemetery suggests locally harvested woods, wicker or cloth shrouds. Concrete or steel burial vaults are not allowed. Nor are standing monuments, upright tombstones or statues.

Only flat, natural fieldstones are permitted as grave markers (they can be engraved). Shrubs or trees are preferred.

And only one person is allowed in each 15-foot-by-15-foot plot.

"This is more than just dig a hole in the woods and roll them in. We see it as a natural return to the Earth, becoming part of the circle of life," said Mary Woodsen, a lifelong conservationist and the cemetery's president.

"Not everyone will find this appealing," she said. "But there are people who want that look and feel of nature."

Natural or woodland cemeteries are common in the United Kingdom, where they make up more than 10 percent of burials. In the United States, however, green burial is a relatively new idea, but one that has caught the attention of people who favor blending land conservation with a natural approach to funerals.

Thirty-two-acre Ramsey Creek Preserve, which opened in 1998 in rural Westminster, S.C., is acknowledged as the nation's first green cemetery. Others are in Florida, Texas, California and Washington state.

Elizabeth Stuckman, 47, made arrangements to be buried at Ramsey Creek, which was started by family physician and environmentalist Billy Campbell, who was looking to simplify the increasingly involved funeral process and help conserve land. Stuckman had her brother's ashes spread there after he was killed in a car accident last fall. Her parents have plans to be buried there, too.

"There's life in the land. It's not a dead place like a conventional cemetery. It's intensely alive, and that's what you focus on," Stuckman said.

At her brother's funeral, the children were able to play in a nearby stream, while his friends picnicked and performed bluegrass music.

"I like that the land is wild and always changing with time," she said. "Whether we like it or not, death is about change. To pretend my brother is just sleeping under a mowed and manicured lawn is to deny that death is about change."

Today, there are 70 people interred at Ramsey Creek, said Campbell's wife, Kimberley, who is vice president of Memorial Ecosystems, which runs the cemetery.

"We've seen growth in the hospice movement," she said. "We've seen an upswing of home birthing. People are interested in returning to the simple ways. This is just a dust-to-dust approach to funerals."

Robert Fells, a spokesman for the Virginia-based International Cemetery and Funeral Association, said the green concept is just a repackaging of what the conventional cemetery burial already offers.

Contrary to widespread belief, embalming is not required by law so people can refuse it, Fells said. Buy a no-frills wooden coffin. Plant a bush instead of a gravestone. Those options are currently available at most cemeteries, he said.

According to the Federal Trade Commission, the average funeral in the United States costs about $6,000. Many exceed $10,000. Even cremation typically costs more than $1,000 _ and has its environmental downside: Cremation uses energy and releases dioxin and mercury (up to 6 grams a body) while preventing nutrients in bodies from enriching the land.

Josh Slocum, of the Funeral Consumers Alliance, a Burlington, Vt.-based federation of advocacy groups, said natural cemeteries provide "another choice for consumers, and that's always good."

"Most of what we think of today as the traditional funeral _ embalming, expensive caskets, manicured cemeteries _ are practices started in the 20th century when burying the dead became an industry," he said. "This is really nothing new. It's what the pilgrims and the pioneers did ... Really natural burial is as old as death itself."

The Greensprings preserve, located 75 miles southwest of Syracuse, was once mostly pasture and cropland before it was acquired from a conservation-minded seller.

"Someday, we'd like to see most of the property return to the native woodlands that used to be here," said Woodsen.

Eventually, trails will wind through meadows, woods and burial areas.

 

ddviper

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Eh, scrap me for all im worth then throw me to the wolves. I dont need my body when im dead

-Got religious beliefs?
 

Kalvin00

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i dont really care what happens to me after i die

ill probably be in bits on a road somewhere from a motorcycle crash
 

Dubb

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Please don't bury me
Down in that cold cold ground
No, I'd druther have 'em cut me up
And pass me all around
Throw my brain in a hurricane
And the blind can have my eyes
And the deaf can take both of my ears
If they don't mind the size

Give my stomach to Milwaukee
If they run out of beer
Put my socks in a cedar box
Just get "em" out of here
Venus de Milo can have my arms
Look out! I've got your nose
Sell my heart to the junkman
And give my love to Rose

Please don't bury me
Down in that cold cold ground
No, I'd druther have "em" cut me up
And pass me all around
Throw my brain in a hurricane
And the blind can have my eyes
And the deaf can take both of my ears
If they don't mind the size

Give my feet to the footloose
Careless, fancy free
Give my knees to the needy
Don't pull that stuff on me
Hand me down my walking cane
It's a sin to tell a lie
Send my mouth way down south
And kiss my ass goodbye

-john prine
 

Babbles

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That's not too terribly a bad of an idea. I think, though, I would prefer an engraved stone over a bush. I dunno why, but I do want something of some sort to at least identify who (i.e. me) is decomposing underground.
 

Brutuskend

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Originally posted by: Dubb
Please don't bury me
Down in that cold cold ground
No, I'd druther have 'em cut me up
And pass me all around
Throw my brain in a hurricane
And the blind can have my eyes
And the deaf can take both of my ears
If they don't mind the size

Give my stomach to Milwaukee
If they run out of beer
Put my socks in a cedar box
Just get "em" out of here
Venus de Milo can have my arms
Look out! I've got your nose
Sell my heart to the junkman
And give my love to Rose

Please don't bury me
Down in that cold cold ground
No, I'd druther have "em" cut me up
And pass me all around
Throw my brain in a hurricane
And the blind can have my eyes
And the deaf can take both of my ears
If they don't mind the size

Give my feet to the footloose
Careless, fancy free
Give my knees to the needy
Don't pull that stuff on me
Hand me down my walking cane
It's a sin to tell a lie
Send my mouth way down south
And kiss my ass goodbye

-john prine

Gotta LOVE Prine!

"And you may see me tonight, with an illegal smile, it don't cost very much but it lasts a long while.... " :)

 

DaveSimmons

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I'm waiting for a Soylent Green burial.

Even if there is an afterlife, it will have nothing to do with my rotting corpse.
 

0roo0roo

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good, the whole expensive wood box/killing trees for dead body is just silly
 

erub

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a Jewish burial is very similar to this..only a wooden coffin is permitted, the body is not embaled, and th ebody is simply wrapped in a cloth..Judaism often talks about "dust to dust"..Jesus was definitely buried this way as well.

the main difference being that tombstones are allowed in a Jewish cemetary, but of course not necessary
 

IGBT

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..makes sense. the sooner ya get back to the dirt the sooner you'll come back as a bug or something.
 

Amused

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I'm all for this. In fact, I think grave yards altogether are a complete waste of space.

They should take this one step futher and recycle the plots every 25 years or so.

 

DaiShan

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Originally posted by: Babbles
That's not too terribly a bad of an idea. I think, though, I would prefer an engraved stone over a bush. I dunno why, but I do want something of some sort to at least identify who (i.e. me) is decomposing underground.

Meh, I'd rather make my mark on the world than a tomb stone.
 

preslove

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Sep 10, 2003
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Personally, I prefer scattering ashes to burials of any sort. Just seems more poignant to me.
 

Injury

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Originally posted by: Amused
I'm all for this. In fact, I think grave yards altogether are a complete waste of space.

They should take this one step futher and recycle the plots every 25 years or so.

As messed up as it sounds... pretty much true.

Giving people a 5x10 or so plot of land when they don't even know it doesn't make all too much sense.

I'd opt for cremation and, at most, a memorial stone somewhere.

 

tweakmm

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I either want something like that, or I want to be cremated and shot out of a cannon over the ocean ala Thompson.

It would also be sweet if people were picknicking and playing music at my funeral.
Death is another part of life, I don't understand why people get so upset. I want people to celebrate my life not mourn my death.
 

Pepsei

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Originally posted by: Amused
I'm all for this. In fact, I think grave yards altogether are a complete waste of space.

They should take this one step futher and recycle the plots every 25 years or so.

like in new orleans, they use family vaults where you just put a body inside, 1 year later, you can use the same vault again.
 

Injury

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Originally posted by: tweakmm
It would also be sweet if people were picknicking and playing music at my funeral.
Death is another part of life, I don't understand why people get so upset. I want people to celebrate my life not mourn my death.

Ditto.

I don't completely understand why the religious are so upset over death. If they believe in heaven, don't they believe they will see them again?

 

sygyzy

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It's amazing that you get 100% of your news from Comcast. And scary too.
 

imported_Imp

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Was always against cremation, but the thought of being home to a billion and one insects is less appealing.
 

Baked

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Why don't they just throw people in the wood chipper or the pig pen?