Greedy media companies now pulling off their crap here in Canada

[Red Squirrel]

Looks like the last bill was not bad enough now they want to introduce another one to lock us down even more. This is actually just as bad as SOPA. Basically it allows media companies to shut down sites at will like SOPA does.

http://openmedia.ca/lockdown

It's ridiculous how corrupted and how much power these corporations have to be able to pass bills like this for their own favor.

 

[Newbian]

Well stop using sites to illegally download movies and such...

 

[Red Squirrel]

Has nothing to do with that. Any site they see a threat (ex: someone starts their own recording company, or uses a smiley icon on their forum that was taken from another site or other stupidity like that), they now have power to shut down. A company should not be able to do this. This copyright bullshit needs to be treated like any other crime. There should need to be a warrent, investigation etc.. and it should be innocent until proven guilty, and not to mention there should at least be a chance instead of outright shutting people down with no warning like they do now. It's retarded how it falls under a different category where they can bypass the law and just shut down sites left and right and charge people without any proof etc. This BS is just getting so out of hand.

These companies have the power to just point at a random person and say "guilty" and they have to pay millions of dollars. They are the biggest criminals ever.

 

[mmntech]

Quite right. I'm certainly not anywhere remotely anti-business. What I don't like is it gives people the power to hand out punishment without due process. The biggest flaws with this system is it assumes guilt and puts you on "trial" before someone who's not accountable to the public. There's limited recourse for those who are falsely accused to defend themselves. The law is far too broad and doesn't specify which cases it should be applied to.

It's foolish for anyone to think it doesn't affect them. Dr. Michael Geist, a law professor and expert on the subject, explains the issue better than I can.
http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/6806/159/

One sort of odd thing about piracy law is it's rarely prosecuted in the criminal courts. Cases are almost always civil. Police do have the tools and resources to fight it but they never do. Which says to me that it's either very difficult to prove beyond reasonable doubt or not considered a priority. Probably a mix of both.

 

[Ns1]

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[Red Squirrel]

Of course the uber pirate who hates copyright/IP has his panties in a bunch.

Funny you say that since I have not pirated anything since I moved to Linux. As much as I think piracy and pot should be legalized due to the fact that they're victimless crimes that waste lot of tax dollars to fight, that's besides the point. If they want to make it illegal, it should be up to the police to enforce it, and it should be enforced just like any other law, it should require proof, a warrant etc and the penalties should be way less ridiculous than they are now. There needs to be a due process and not just "yeah I don't like that site, so how about it just goes offline, like, right now." then the host/server provider has no choice but to say "ok". It's bullshit. Look at megaupload.com. That site was not illegal, yet it was shut down just because the media companies felt it was a threat. Ok so maybe a few people used it for piracy, but it was against their ToS, and it should be up to the media companies to follow the ToS process, not just decide they can shut it down because they don't like it.

What other laws are they going to start doing this with? And how much worse will it get? We need to fight it now before it gets so bad that the internet as we know it wont really exist anymore and only be run by big money hungry megacorporations. That's what they want. However the internet needs to be left alone, and needs to be fully neutral. A company or the government should not have the right to shut down a website unless it is truly illegal and proven illegal, such as child porn.

 

[Bateluer]

I wonder, say a perfectly innocent person gets their site taken down or equipment confiscated, without a warrant/etc, and it turns out the copyright holder was entirely in the wrong . . . would the person have a case for damages? Or does this law remove that.

The people in the US killed SOPA . . .but CISPA<?> was passed without congressional oversight by executive order. Its okay though, President Obama knows better than we do.

 

[Pardus]

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[Red Squirrel]

I wonder, say a perfectly innocent person gets their site taken down or equipment confiscated, without a warrant/etc, and it turns out the copyright holder was entirely in the wrong . . . would the person have a case for damages? Or does this law remove that.

The people in the US killed SOPA . . .but CISPA<?> was passed without congressional oversight by executive order. Its okay though, President Obama knows better than we do.

That's the thing, I highly doubt they'd get any of it back and the more they'd get is a a "sorry" and would not have the right to sue or anything because of some clause that would get thrown in somewhere. Perhaps something they'd be forced to sign so they are released from jail. Probably not get their domains back either. Would probably also take years even decades for it to come up.

The people sometimes do succeed at stopping a bill like this but then they just sneak one in without anyone getting wind of it. That's corruption at it's best. They know the people don't want it, but because it's for their own good, they do it anyway. We must continue to fight, no matter how hopeless it seems.

 

[Newbian]

they should shut down all these sick porn sites to start.

Define "sick".

This is Canada so I would assume you think all the sick stuff they have involves beavers and a moose.

 

[Newbian]

It just means less servers ran in Canada to avoid their law so your ping rates on games will be higher.

 

[Newbian]

Look at megaupload.com. That site was not illegal, yet it was shut down just because the media companies felt it was a threat. Ok so maybe a few people used it for piracy, but it was against their ToS, and it should be up to the media companies to follow the ToS process, not just decide they can shut it down because they don't like it.

The main problem I remember about that site was they didn't take down the copyrighted material like they were supposed to, more or less ignored warnings when the items were reported, thus the site itself was taken down.

All they did was delete some of the links to the media but didn't take the actual file away thus they simply reshared a new link and the file was still there.

 

[Red Squirrel]

The main problem I remember about that site was they didn't take down the copyrighted material like they were supposed to, more or less ignored warnings when the items were reported, thus the site itself was taken down.

All they did was delete some of the links to the media but didn't take the actual file away thus they simply reshared a new link and the file was still there.

Yeah guess that was somewhat kind of sketchy, but still seems way overboard that they shut down the whole site and extradited the owner. They tacked on some extra charges to make it sound like he was an international criminal. It's crazy to think they have power to reach people outside the country like that... all for their own interests. Even Bin Laden took like 10 years to get and he actually killed people.