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Great. just frikken great. (Telemarketing arms race-new tool for "them")

MaxDepth

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now even more calls to me house (unlisted, unpublished phone number)
the short of it- this new tool is immune to TeleZapper and allows the salesman to transmit any message or phone# to the callerID portion of our phones (hint: fake name and number)


from CNN:

NEW YORK (AP) -- A telemarketing tool that penetrates home privacy defenses is upping the ante in a technology battle between sales callers and consumers seeking shelter from unsolicited calls.

Castel Inc., a maker of automated dialing technology, boasts that its DirectQuest software is immune to the TeleZapper, a $40 gadget designed to thwart sales calls by faking the tones of a disconnected number.

Massachusetts-based Castel has been mailing brochures to telemarketers and other prospective customers touting the software, which also includes a feature that lets salesmen transmit any phone number or text message to residents' caller ID displays.

Dodging privacy services
That second component allows DirectQuest to dodge such phone company privacy services as SBC's Privacy Manager and Sprint's Privacy ID, both of which reject calls that don't provide caller ID information.

Castel's software is built for the high-volume "predictive dialers" that use multiple lines to phone residential numbers and connect salesmen to people who answer.

"It's a privacy arms race," said Robert Bulmash of the privacy group Private Citizen, based in Naperville, Illinois. "The industry is crowing that 'We don't want to call people that don't want to be called,' and at the same time it's calling them."

Consumer privacy devices will increasingly lose effectiveness as telemarketing firms switch to the new dialing technology -- which costs roughly $2,700 per calling operator, said Bulmash.

Royal Appliance Mfg. Co., which manufactures the TeleZapper, says millions of them have been sold. The device is designed to trick predictive dialers into dropping the call by playing the three shrill tones of a disconnected number.

Identifying the caller
FACT BOX
A Federal Communications Commission memo says telemarketers attempt 104 million calls a day to U.S. businesses and consumers. Sales revenue rose from about $435 billion in 1990 to around $660 billion in 2001.

The privacy services sold by phone companies target another weakness of the predictive dialer -- their inability to transmit caller ID.

Castel chief executive Geoff Burr labels as "unsophisticated" dialers that succumb to privacy devices. "Serious professional operations don't use that equipment -- or they won't be for long," he said.

Burr said DirectQuest is not aimed at bothering consumers, but the opposite -- making sales calls less intrusive. By providing the identity of the company on behalf of which the telemarketer is calling, DirectQuest gives people the option not to take the call.

The software also helps telemarketers mind federal guidelines that require accurate and descriptive caller IDs, said Burr.

"If you're an operator that calls on behalf of MasterCard, you're supposed to put out 'MasterCard' and a number that gets to MasterCard," he said.

'Do not call' list collects names

Instead of listening for sounds that identify the status of a phone line, DirectQuest learns the line's condition by reading signals from phone company computers, said Walter Elicker, Castel's marketing director.

Elicker said privacy gadgets don't just thwart telemarketers but also bill collectors who use predictive dialers. "Collections people want to make damn certain they're not fooled by these kinds of devices," he said.

A more effective means of blocking sales calls lies with the emerging federal Do Not Call list as well as similar lists kept by some two dozen U.S. states, Burr said.

The Federal Trade Commission has said its Do Not Call list will begin collecting names this summer and be in operation by the fall. Telemarketers who phone listed numbers can be fined up to $11,000 for each violation.

Effectiveness of Do Not Call lists, at least for now, is a pipe dream, Bulmash said. The FTC doesn't regulate telemarketing-heavy industries like long-distance phone companies, banks, airlines and insurance companies.

Providing revenues
State lists, too, often make exemptions for funeral homes and car dealers. No agency can prevent phone calls by political campaigns, charities and surveyors.

Predictive dialers fueled huge growth in the telemarketing.

Telemarketing advocates fear Do Not Call lists could devastate industry revenues and the jobs that depend on them.

An article in the February issue of Customer Inter@ction Solutions, a telemarketing industry magazine, said FTC restrictions could eliminate three million jobs.

The article estimated that the top 75 U.S. telemarketing firms paid for 13.2 billion minutes of long-distance phone service last year. At 4 cents a minute, that amounts to $528 million in telecommunications revenue.


 
I knew that they'd find away around this zapper.

I hate the ones where they are automated too. Somebody did that to me the other night and I actually took the 3 minutes to listen to their crap. Then when it was time to leave a message I said "Hi this is xxx-xxx-xxxx. Please take me off your FREAKING calling list and you're NEVER getting my business."
 
They will be coming out with a national "No Call" list for telemarketers. They have one here in Georgia and it works very well.
 
The TeleZapper is flawed to begin with, all it does is emit the SIT, and most companies have been over it for a long time.
The TeleZapper is just corporate America's Phreak Box anyway.
 
I use the most effective means of blocking sales calls; I don't answer the damn phone. If the wife answers then it's her problem. 🙂
 
Elicker said privacy gadgets don't just thwart telemarketers but also bill collectors who use predictive dialers. "Collections people want to make damn certain they're not fooled by these kinds of devices," he said.
Do they really think people are buying Tele-Zappers just to avoid the calls from the bill collectors? No way! People are just sick of the tele-marketers. Plain and simple.
 
Looks like it's time for a junk-snail-mail signup campaign like they did to that assclown spammer in MI. 😀

Castel

100 Cummings Center
Suite 157H
Beverly, MA 01915

Phone: 978.236.1000
Fax: 978.236.1197
E-mail: info@castel.com
 
If people have TeleZappers, they obviously don't want telemarketing calls, and will probbaly never result in a sale anyway. It's a waste of telemarketing companies' time, and ours.
 
Originally posted by: jjones
I use the most effective means of blocking sales calls; I don't answer the damn phone. If the wife answers then it's her problem. 🙂
😀 I don't answer the phone either, unless I know someone will be calling for me. If I miss a call, whoever answers the phone can take a message and let me know. Also, my cell phone has voicemail so anyone who wants to actually talk to me and has something important to say can leave me a message if I don't answer the phone, which I alerady have call display on. (I won't answer it most of the time if it's not a name or number I recognize)

telemarketers suck... I tried working as one once and I couldn't do it (never made a sale), and listening to the other people around kind of made me sick... like wtf? they're just pulling crap out of their ass and shoving it through the phone. And I couldn't believe they actually made sales!! how stupid can people be? I guess maybe *SOME* telemarketing firms aren't THAT full of sh!t, but the ones I went to were. "credit consolidation" bullsh!t... yeah, sure just give us your credit card number over the phone and everything will be ok...
 
I don't get the logic behind this. If someone is going so far as to pay $40 to not listen to telemarketers, what good is tricking them into taking your call going to do? They obviously do not want to be bothered and will hang up. All this will do is cause grief for people who don't want to be bothered, it will not increase the telemarketer's sales.
 
Originally posted by: jjones
I use the most effective means of blocking sales calls; I don't answer the damn phone. If the wife answers then it's her problem. 🙂


LMAO 😀


Originally posted by: Fausto1
Looks like it's time for a junk-snail-mail signup campaign like they did to that assclown spammer in MI. 😀

Castel

100 Cummings Center
Suite 157H
Beverly, MA 01915

Phone: 978.236.1000
Fax: 978.236.1197
E-mail: info@castel.com

I'm in. 😎
 
Originally posted by: jjones
I use the most effective means of blocking sales calls; I don't answer the damn phone. If the wife answers then it's her problem. 🙂

Same here. If I do make the mistake of answering like I did last week I will ask for something they can't possibly do. Long distance company wanted my business, told them I was paying 3 cents and change a minute with no restrictions and no monthly fees. If they could beat that then I would consider.
 
Originally posted by: chibchacan
Originally posted by: jjones
I use the most effective means of blocking sales calls; I don't answer the damn phone. If the wife answers then it's her problem. 🙂


LMAO 😀


Originally posted by: Fausto1
Looks like it's time for a junk-snail-mail signup campaign like they did to that assclown spammer in MI. 😀

Castel

100 Cummings Center
Suite 157H
Beverly, MA 01915

Phone: 978.236.1000
Fax: 978.236.1197
E-mail: info@castel.com

I'm in. 😎
put this up on /. and we'll get results.
 
Originally posted by: minus1972
Originally posted by: chibchacan
Originally posted by: jjones
I use the most effective means of blocking sales calls; I don't answer the damn phone. If the wife answers then it's her problem. 🙂


LMAO 😀


Originally posted by: Fausto1
Looks like it's time for a junk-snail-mail signup campaign like they did to that assclown spammer in MI. 😀

Castel

100 Cummings Center
Suite 157H
Beverly, MA 01915

Phone: 978.236.1000
Fax: 978.236.1197
E-mail: info@castel.com

I'm in. 😎
put this up on /. and we'll get results.
How do we accomplish that?

 
Originally posted by: Zakath15
Why is this not illegal?
Do you really want the government to decide who can call you and who cannot? Is this type of power something you feel comfortable giving to the government? I certainly do not. It is much easier just to say "Please remove me from your list and do not call me again" and hang up.

Note on the news article: telemarketers are NOT "salesmen" or "salespeople" for that matter. They are telemarketers, the lowly minimum wage dregs of any sales organization.
 
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