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Great idea for saving lives during hurricanes

DrPizza

DrPizza

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Start fining the people who are in mandatory evacuation areas and end up needing to be rescued. Give idiots something to think about before they stay. Right now it's "if the flooding gets bad, I'll just get on the roof and they'll rescue me."

Because they decided they were tough enough to stand up to the hurricane and found out they were wrong, they end up stretching thin the ability to rescue people in areas where evacuation wasn't mandatory. Why should some family 50 miles away from New Orleans have to spend an extra 12 hours sitting on their roof because some fvcktard in New Orleans decided to ride out the storm?

When the storm is approaching and mandatory evacuations are ordered, make them aware "if you refuse to evacuate and need to be rescued, you WILL be fined $1000." Some people value that pittance of money more than their lives and just may be encouraged to leave.

And furthermore, after watching an interview of some survivor (barely) on tv today: "I never expected that. That storm surge was just like those tsunamis over there in Asia."
Hey buddy, turn off the reality tv and start watching the discovery or science channel once in a while, okay?

 
This is actually a good idea for another reason too. All of the police could be preventing mass looting instead of rescuing stupid people. Not to mention all of the people that would not be dead from trying to stay it out.
 
Yes... but also keep in mind that 80% of the city had been evacuated, which is an *extremely* high number. Of course, striving for 100% would be nice, but that'll never happen. It's getting closer, though.
 
IIRC, it was suggested charging people who needed to be rescued (in general) in the past, but it brought up a lot of issues like people waiting until the last minute. Even if some people lost their lives because they didn't request help when it was necessary, I think that ultimately, more lives would be saved due to fewer people putting themselves in such predicaments. I'm, of course, not in favor of fining people for rescues for unforeseen reasons. But, they were told to get out. Now, make them pay.
 
Originally posted by: Nik
Unfortunately, the government is charged with protecting its people -including the dumb ones.
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The government DID protect them... it gave them information. It ordered a mandatory evacuation.

It's like that joke:
A man is stuck on his roof during a flood; the waters are rising all around him. Suddenly, a man in a canoe comes by and offers assistance. "No, the good Lord will provide for me." Then, a sheriff's rescue boat comes to save him. "No, the good Lord will provide for me." Finally, a rescue helicopter comes by to rescue him. Again, "No, the good Lord will provide for me and save me." Finally, the flood waters wash over the top of his house, drowning him. When he arrives in heaven, he asks God, "why didn't you save me?" God answers, "who do you think sent the canoe, boat, and helicopter???"

 
That idea is in place in small amounts in Arizona. People in H2s and other 'tough SUVs' think it's fun to go off roading in the washes. Now, if they get stuck in a flash flood and need rescue, they have to pay all of the costs of the rescue, an additional fine, and receive a reckless driving charge on their record.
 
It's time to start making people be more responsible for their own actions. Why should I have to pay to rescue a moron who was already given adequate warning to save himself?
 
These "dumb people" arent always there by choice, most are forced to staybecause they have no mode of transportation. Would they get the same fine simply because they have no way of getting out in time? I also dont think many ppl would offer assistance to those not fortunate enough to have some mode of transportation. If a person asked you to give them a ride out and then back into the city would you help them?
 
Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1
Originally posted by: sygyzy
"This is our tsunami" says the US.

HAHAHAHAH
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you have no idea do you. the only difference is in the warning given.
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Or maybe in the total costs and the huge difference in the number of lives lost?

This is bad... really bad.

However, calling this equal to the tsunami of last year is arrogant of the USA and extremely insulting to the countries and people affected by the tsunami. As bad as this is, it is nothing compared to the tsunami's huge death toll.
 
Originally posted by: JOJOBEAN
These "dumb people" arent always there by choice, most are forced to staybecause they have no mode of transportation. Would they get the same fine simply because they have no way of getting out in time? I also dont think many ppl would offer assistance to those not fortunate enough to have some mode of transportation. If a person asked you to give them a ride out and then back into the city would you help them?
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Hmmm.... weren't there rescue shelters for those who couldn't get out... i.e. the superdome? I don't recall seeing anyone rescued from the roof of the superdome. And, I wouldn't have thought twice about people being rescued from shelters. But, these are people who were rescued from the tops of normal houses; houses which would have been destroyed had the hurricane hit NO directly. They're lucky to be alive as it is; they almost made the ultimate fvck-up. Yet, they were given plenty of warning. Heck, they could have walked to the Superdome. None of the people I saw in television getting plucked from their roof-tops looked very infirm to me. Families with children! Fine them for being rescued, and fine them for endangering the life of a minor.

Oh, and if the family that was going to ride out the storm on their shrimp boat (interviewed on television) with their cute little 3 year old actually survived, then take that kid away from the parents who obviously have no problem with endangering his life. I'd bet they perished though.
 
Originally posted by: DAGTA
Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1
Originally posted by: sygyzy
"This is our tsunami" says the US.

HAHAHAHAH
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you have no idea do you. the only difference is in the warning given.
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Or maybe in the total costs and the huge difference in the number of lives lost?

This is bad... really bad.

However, calling this equal to the tsunami of last year is arrogant of the USA and extremely insulting to the countries and people affected by the tsunami. As bad as this is, it is nothing compared to the tsunami's huge death toll.
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arrogant and insulting? cities and towns have been wiped off the map or submerged under water. while the death toll doesnt even compare, surely youre not going to bust the balls of officials who make those statements when its a total disaster area in many parts of la, ms, and al.
 
And because they survived once, they will never feel a need to evacuate next time.
 
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
And because they survived once, they will never feel a need to evacuate next time.
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doesnt work that way. at least, not around here. most stayed for ivan, but when dennis came, the majority evacuated since they knew what could happen due to the lesson learned from ivan. those that didnt were as prepared as possible. and we didnt even have to worry about flooding around here.

there are always the few fools who feel they can conquer nature, but most arent so ignorant.
 
Originally posted by: shimsham
Originally posted by: DAGTA
Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1
Originally posted by: sygyzy
"This is our tsunami" says the US.

HAHAHAHAH
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you have no idea do you. the only difference is in the warning given.
Click to expand...

Or maybe in the total costs and the huge difference in the number of lives lost?

This is bad... really bad.

However, calling this equal to the tsunami of last year is arrogant of the USA and extremely insulting to the countries and people affected by the tsunami. As bad as this is, it is nothing compared to the tsunami's huge death toll.
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arrogant and insulting? cities and towns have been wiped off the map or submerged under water. while the death toll doesnt even compare, surely youre not going to bust the balls of officials who make those statements when its a total disaster area in many parts of la, ms, and al.
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Entire islands, villages, and cities were wiped out by the tsunami. Those people had zero warning, while the people of Lousiana and Mississippi had over 24 hours of warning. The death toll for the tsunami was over 100,000 people. Entire subcultures were wiped out in one day.

There is a magnitude of difference.

Besides, New Orleans has known for a LONG time that they are a city that is below sea level and located right next to the ocean, a lake, the largest river in the USA, and another river. It doesn't take Captain Obvious to point out that this was a disaster that was going to happen someday and could have been avoided if people had worked to move the city to a new location or put a lot more engineering work into securing the city.

That does not say I dont' have sympathy for the people suffering. I do. However, I choose not to remain silent when some officials in the USA decide to claim this is as bad as the tsunami that hit so many areas of the world last December.
 
Originally posted by: DAGTA
Originally posted by: shimsham
Originally posted by: DAGTA
Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1
Originally posted by: sygyzy
"This is our tsunami" says the US.

HAHAHAHAH
Click to expand...

you have no idea do you. the only difference is in the warning given.
Click to expand...

Or maybe in the total costs and the huge difference in the number of lives lost?

This is bad... really bad.

However, calling this equal to the tsunami of last year is arrogant of the USA and extremely insulting to the countries and people affected by the tsunami. As bad as this is, it is nothing compared to the tsunami's huge death toll.
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arrogant and insulting? cities and towns have been wiped off the map or submerged under water. while the death toll doesnt even compare, surely youre not going to bust the balls of officials who make those statements when its a total disaster area in many parts of la, ms, and al.
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Entire islands, villages, and cities were wiped out by the tsunami. Those people had zero warning, while the people of Lousiana and Mississippi had over 24 hours of warning. The death toll for the tsunami was over 100,000 people. Entire subcultures were wiped out in one day.

There is a magnitude of difference.

Besides, New Orleans has known for a LONG time that they are a city that is below sea level and located right next to the ocean, a lake, the largest river in the USA, and another river. It doesn't take Captain Obvious to point out that this was a disaster that was going to happen someday and could have been avoided if people had worked to move the city to a new location or put a lot more engineering work into securing the city.

That does not say I dont' have sympathy for the people suffering. I do. However, I choose not to remain silent when some officials in the USA decide to claim this is as bad as the tsunami that hit so many areas of the world last December.
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i agree with what youre saying. but to come down on people, that have to deal with this disaster, on something said in "the heat of the moment" is a little harsh. to them, where they are now, im sure it does seem like the tsunami. again, not the same death toll, but the same scene with everything flattened and knowing there are dead bodies in the rubble, billions in damage, thousands homeless and jobless, etc.

you cant just move a city, or plop down barriers. every coast line is subject to tsunamis caused by faults shifting. doesnt take capt obvious to figure that out either. might as well move all of fl, the east coast, and the west coast into the midwest since hurricanes and earthquakes are coming, sooner or later.
 
Originally posted by: shimsham
you cant just move a city, or plop down barriers. every coast line is subject to tsunamis caused by faults shifting. doesnt take capt obvious to figure that out either. might as well move all of fl, the east coast, and the west coast into the midwest since hurricanes and earthquakes are coming, sooner or later.
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True.. however, most of those cities are above sea level, if only by a few feet. As such, water will drain out of them, not into them.
 
Originally posted by: DAGTA
Originally posted by: shimsham
you cant just move a city, or plop down barriers. every coast line is subject to tsunamis caused by faults shifting. doesnt take capt obvious to figure that out either. might as well move all of fl, the east coast, and the west coast into the midwest since hurricanes and earthquakes are coming, sooner or later.
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True.. however, most of those cities are above sea level, if only by a few feet. As such, water will drain out of them, not into them.
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agreed. but were not talking about a typical storm or flood. hurricanes and tsunamis are on scales much greater than what settlers and planners thought that they would have to deal with. once you get a few mill living there, its just up to fate and nature.
 
Originally posted by: DAGTA
However, I choose not to remain silent when some officials in the USA decide to claim this is as bad as the tsunami that hit so many areas of the world last December.
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Link to where an official has said that this was as bad as that tsunami in december? All I seen was that someone said that this was our tsunami. Maybe I'm mistaken or maybe you shouldn't make this into something it isn't.
 
Originally posted by: KK
Originally posted by: DAGTA
However, I choose not to remain silent when some officials in the USA decide to claim this is as bad as the tsunami that hit so many areas of the world last December.
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Link to where an official has said that this was as bad as that tsunami in december? All I seen was that someone said that this was our tsunami. Maybe I'm mistaken or maybe you shouldn't make this into something it isn't.
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Saying, "this is our tsunami" is already making it into something it isn't.

If another country had a terrorist in a single prop plane crash into a residential middle class house killing a family of four and the leader of that country were to say, "this is our 9/11", you wouldn't be irritated by that?

What's happening here is horrible... but it still pales in comparison to the devastation of the tsunami that hit last year.
 
Originally posted by: DAGTA
Originally posted by: KK
Originally posted by: DAGTA
However, I choose not to remain silent when some officials in the USA decide to claim this is as bad as the tsunami that hit so many areas of the world last December.
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Link to where an official has said that this was as bad as that tsunami in december? All I seen was that someone said that this was our tsunami. Maybe I'm mistaken or maybe you shouldn't make this into something it isn't.
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Saying, "this is our tsunami" is already making it into something it isn't.

If another country had a terrorist in a single prop plane crash into a residential middle class house killing a family of four and the leader of that country were to say, "this is our 9/11", you wouldn't be irritated by that?

What's happening here is horrible... but it still pales in comparison to the devastation of the tsunami that hit last year.
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no, I wouldn't be irratated. But just for the record 9/11 is pointing to a particular event, where as a tsunami isn't. But thats irrelavent, because I still wouldn't be irratated. I guess now, tsunami is a banned word in your eyes if the event doesn't kill thousands and thousands of people.
 
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