Grasping at Straws

[BOBDN]

You folks who keep insisting that
A. We'll find WMD someday and
B. Even if we don't it's perfectly alright that the entire Bush adiminstration lied to America to get their invasion ( and hell yes it DOES matter )
will be interested in the most recent findings of WMD Search ( sounds a little like a TV show, no? ) reported here.

I certainly hope ALL Americans come to their senses soon. I can't believe we'd let this kind of governmental abuse go unpunished or at the very least uninvestigated. Oxford English Dictionary, quotation from "Clarissa" (Richardson, 1748): "A drowning man will catch at a straw, the Proverb well says."

Looks like the Bush administration's search is grasping for straws. And don't try that lie about Saddam moving thousands of tons ( according to Bush and Co. ) of WMD before the war. The US knew if Saddam moved before the war, don't insult everyone's intelligence by saying they didn't know thousands of tons of WMD was moved.

I always wondered what the origin of "Grasping at straws" was.

"A DROWNING MAN WILL CATCH AT STRAWS ? ?A desperate person will try anything to save himself, no matter how unlikely. The proverb has been traced back to ?Dialogue of Comfort Against Tribulation? (1534) by Thomas More (1478-1535). First cited in the United States in ?Colonial Currency? (1720). The proverb is found in varying forms: a drowning man will clutch at a straw; A drowning man grabs at a straw; A drowning man snatches at straws, etc. The proverb has its counterpart in other languages too?? From ?The Random House Dictionary of Popular Proverbs and Sayings? by Gregory Y. Titelman (Random House, New York, 1996)."

Sounds about right.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Sounds like the Democratic party if you ask me.

CkG

 

[LunarRay]

The intent portion of SH's use of WMD does not rely on finding WMD. It relies on proof that the intent existed. We have killed two possible witnesses to this intent. The son's of SH. If we kill everyone we'll be hard pressed to provide evidence to the assertion. When I was HJD1 I'd have said it was on purpose. Today, I opine it was on purpose. No need to grasp straws when the lake is but ankle deep.

 

[BOBDN]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Sounds like the Democratic party if you ask me.

CkG

Sounds like another moronic statement if you ask me.

 

[konichiwa]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Sounds like the Democratic party if you ask me.

CkG

For all the whining and bitching you did a few threads ago about respondents' alleged digressions (however minute) from your "subject," you sure seem to do a fine job of it yourself (not to mention your ability to transform hypocrisy -- once thought to be only a characteristic of the ignorant -- into a fine art!).

 

[BOBDN]

Originally posted by: konichiwa

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Sounds like the Democratic party if you ask me.

CkG

For all the whining and bitching you did a few threads ago about respondents' alleged digressions (however minute) from your "subject," you sure seem to do a fine job of it yourself (not to mention your ability to transform hypocrisy -- once thought to be only a characteristic of the ignorant -- into a fine art!).

:beer: :beer: :beer:

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: konichiwa

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Sounds like the Democratic party if you ask me.

CkG

For all the whining and bitching you did a few threads ago about respondents' alleged digressions (however minute) from your "subject," you sure seem to do a fine job of it yourself (not to mention your ability to transform hypocrisy -- once thought to be only a characteristic of the ignorant -- into a fine art!).

huh? No - the post you quoted was entirely on topic. The topic is "grasping at straws".

BOBDN thinks us conservatives/Republicans are "grasping" and I think the Democrats/Liberals are with their lame attacks on Bush.

I can't have an opinion and post it? Care to attack the position and not the poster? Hypocracy?

CkG

 

[BOBDN]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: konichiwa

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Sounds like the Democratic party if you ask me.

CkG

For all the whining and bitching you did a few threads ago about respondents' alleged digressions (however minute) from your "subject," you sure seem to do a fine job of it yourself (not to mention your ability to transform hypocrisy -- once thought to be only a characteristic of the ignorant -- into a fine art!).

huh? No - the post you quoted was entirely on topic. The topic is "grasping at straws".

BOBDN thinks us conservatives/Republicans are "grasping" and I think the Democrats/Liberals are with their lame attacks on Bush.

I can't have an opinion and post it? Care to attack the position and not the poster? Hypocracy?

CkG

Lame attacks on Bush?

Not too many years ago a sitting pResident wouldn't have dared try this BS let alone even consider getting away with it.

What has happened to our country?

 

[xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUYBOBDN thinks us conservatives/Republicans are "grasping" and I think the Democrats/Liberals are with their lame attacks on Bush.

CkG

I thought (R)'s were running every branch/cabinet/office in federal government....did I miss something?

 

[konichiwa]

CAD

Link

You said: The topic is the ad. please keep your anti-bush rhetoric confined to other threads.

The same applies here. The topic is the search for WMD (and no, the one-line "topic" does not define the post; could you be any more literal?) The topic is the search for WMD. please keep your anti-DNC rhetoric confined to other threads.

BTW, it's spelled "hypocrisy"

 

[CaptnKirk]

There is a kind of rebuttle to that position by a CIA appointed U.S. Weapons Inspection Team - USA TODAY

What's interesting is how one plays different from the other - While one is saying Iraqi personel are cooperating, but there is nothing to find,
the other says they're revealing how vast the 'Program' was - A Program Vs. A Product and 'was', which means 'used to be'.
Trying to set the date back to a time when Iraq was being inspected in the mid 90's before they were kicked out.

I watched his press clip on FOX, and it's the same shift to 'Program' and away from substance. He made no indication of any
physical evidence or product, only saying, "had a program and were deceptive in hiding what they had" in the 90's after Gulf-1.

Patience and time will tell, unless they drag this out hopping everyone will forget.
Anyone remember Afganistan ?

For an interesting comparison, read the FOX article on Russias progress with Chechnya
Notice any simularity ? Lots of parallels to our Iraq involvement, maybe we're actually doing better, but everyones taking a hit.
They like to play this off as being Russia's Terrorist foes - but Bin Laden was our man back then when we helped him chase the Russians
out of Afganistan. We're involved in Iraq - which is only 750 Miles away
What are the chances that this is the same ememy ? It's only a little over 1,000 miles to Afganistan.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: konichiwa
CAD

Link

You said: The topic is the ad. please keep your anti-bush rhetoric confined to other threads.

The same applies here. The topic is the search for WMD (and no, the one-line "topic" does not define the post; could you be any more literal?) The topic is the search for WMD. please keep your anti-DNC rhetoric confined to other threads.

BTW, it's spelled "hypocrisy"

BTW - the link you linked had the topic "another sleazy ad". So the TOPIC WAS THE AD! The topic here is "Grasping at Straws"

How is my posting about the dems grasping at straws off-topic even in the WMD context? Hmmm -they latch onto everything they can to try to attack Bush with it.

My post was entirely on-topic - YOU didn't like it, so you attacked me. Should I play the game you and others like to play with "no personal attacks"? Boo Hoo Hoo.

CkG

 

[BOBDN]

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUYBOBDN thinks us conservatives/Republicans are "grasping" and I think the Democrats/Liberals are with their lame attacks on Bush.

CkG

xxxxxJohn Galtxxxxx

I thought (R)'s were running every branch/cabinet/office in federal government....did I miss something?

I've read a few of your posts. You only have 74 so far but that doesn't really matter.

My point is not one of them has made any sense. Don't you think you should gather your thoughts and maybe listen in a little while before you post more nonsense?

 

[UltraQuiet]

Don't you think you should gather your thoughts and maybe listen in a little while before you post more nonsense?

It's never stopped you.

 

[konichiwa]

I'm not going to argue with you anymore; I feel like I'm trying to explain nuclear fission to my four-year-old cousin.

You quote my post, but the content of it seems to have gone in one ear and out the other. Like a brick wall! Threadcrap all you want, I'll stay out of it from now on.

But before I do, please explain to me how I personally attacked you? I pointed out two of your posts which contradict each other. It's called hypocrisy. Sigh...

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: konichiwa
I'm not going to argue with you anymore; I feel like I'm trying to explain nuclear fission to my four-year-old cousin.

You quote my post, but the content of it seems to have gone in one ear and out the other. Like a brick wall! Threadcrap all you want, I'll stay out of it from now on.

But before I do, please explain to me how I personally attacked you? I pointed out two of your posts which contradict each other. It's called hypocrisy. Sigh...

<sigh> Koni - you are the one trying to be "righteous" here. You are one of the ones who comes in and makes claims about "personal attacks" all the time. I was just pointing out that you did the same and just did again by tossing the "four-year-old" thing in. You didn't attack my post's position - only me by saying it was hypocritical. Again, the TOPIC was "Grasping at Straws" and BOBDN framed it in a political sense and proceeded to talk about Bush. I looked at his definition of grasping at straws in a political sense and immediately thought of Democrats because of their incessant attacks on Bush and Admin. Seems "on-topic" to me.

CkG

 

[busmaster11]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: konichiwa
I'm not going to argue with you anymore; I feel like I'm trying to explain nuclear fission to my four-year-old cousin.

You quote my post, but the content of it seems to have gone in one ear and out the other. Like a brick wall! Threadcrap all you want, I'll stay out of it from now on.

But before I do, please explain to me how I personally attacked you? I pointed out two of your posts which contradict each other. It's called hypocrisy. Sigh...

<sigh> Koni - you are the one trying to be "righteous" here. You are one of the ones who comes in and makes claims about "personal attacks" all the time. I was just pointing out that you did the same and just did again by tossing the "four-year-old" thing in. You didn't attack my post's position - only me by saying it was hypocritical. Again, the TOPIC was "Grasping at Straws" and BOBDN framed it in a political sense and proceeded to talk about Bush. I looked at his definition of grasping at straws in a political sense and immediately thought of Democrats because of their incessant attacks on Bush and Admin. Seems "on-topic" to me.

CkG

Incessant doesn not equate to "grasping at straws."

If Clinton was impeached for something completely irrelevant to the well-being of America, Baby bush. the greatest whore in the history of the presidency, deserves to be fried for plunging the country into war where our tired troops are being gunned down every day in what could be an endless guerilla war. This can only be called imperialism, and prideful conservatives like yourself will never get past your egos to see it for what it is.

Why don't you go talk to the families of these solidiers before you consider objecting.

 

[xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx]

Originally posted by: busmaster11


Why don't you go talk to the families of these solidiers before you consider objecting.

What families? ...the ones living in free government housing, the ones getting $2,200/month in housing allowance in the D.C. area, the ones who get full healthcare coverage, or the ones who get $30K + to go to college?

 

[konichiwa]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: konichiwa
I'm not going to argue with you anymore; I feel like I'm trying to explain nuclear fission to my four-year-old cousin.

You quote my post, but the content of it seems to have gone in one ear and out the other. Like a brick wall! Threadcrap all you want, I'll stay out of it from now on.

But before I do, please explain to me how I personally attacked you? I pointed out two of your posts which contradict each other. It's called hypocrisy. Sigh...

<sigh> Koni - you are the one trying to be "righteous" here. You are one of the ones who comes in and makes claims about "personal attacks" all the time. I was just pointing out that you did the same and just did again by tossing the "four-year-old" thing in. You didn't attack my post's position - only me by saying it was hypocritical. Again, the TOPIC was "Grasping at Straws" and BOBDN framed it in a political sense and proceeded to talk about Bush. I looked at his definition of grasping at straws in a political sense and immediately thought of Democrats because of their incessant attacks on Bush and Admin. Seems "on-topic" to me.

CkG

If you can't understand the difference between a personal attack and an "attack" (if you wish to call it that) on the merit of a post, I'm not sure what I can say at this juncture.

If, in your opinion, pointing out an hypocrisy in your post is a personal attack, the art of forensics is lost on you. Furthermore, the way you describe "on-topic" in this instance perfectly characterizes the posts in your other thread to which you gave the label "off-topic." Hence, hypocrisy.

And no, that's not a personal attack, but if you choose to see it as one, so be it.

And from where is "righteous" quoted?

 

[konichiwa]

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: busmaster11


Why don't you go talk to the families of these solidiers before you consider objecting.

What families? ...the ones living in free government housing, the ones getting $2,200/month in housing allowance in the D.C. area, the ones who get full healthcare coverage, or the ones who get $30K + to go to college?

Yes, those same ones whose sons and daughters were killed...I don't know about you, but $2200/mo and $30k would hardly be sufficient penance for a dead child.

 

[UltraQuiet]

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: busmaster11


Why don't you go talk to the families of these solidiers before you consider objecting.

What families? ...the ones living in free government housing, the ones getting $2,200/month in housing allowance in the D.C. area, the ones who get full healthcare coverage, or the ones who get $30K + to go to college?

Yes those families. They earned every penny of it.

 

[xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx]

Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet

Yes those families. They earned every penny of it.

I agree. Most soldiers are worth every penny of it. My point was this: each soldier willingly enters the military fully the risks associated with military life; many do so for the benefits and for long-term employment. Many families of National Guard soldiers who have been deployed and left their 'real job' behind are complaining that they need their men/women back home to earn a 'real living' and pay the bills. In my opinion, no family member has a right to complain about pay, or about the length of a deployment.

As General Nash, my old 1st Armor Division commander, used to say, "If they Army wanted you to have a family, they would have placed them in your TA-50."

 

[busmaster11]

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet

Yes those families. They earned every penny of it.

I agree. Most soldiers are worth every penny of it. My point was this: each soldier willingly enters the military fully the risks associated with military life; many do so for the benefits and for long-term employment. Many families of National Guard soldiers who have been deployed and left their 'real job' behind are complaining that they need their men/women back home to earn a 'real living' and pay the bills. In my opinion, no family member has a right to complain about pay, or about the length of a deployment.

As General Nash, my old 1st Armor Division commander, used to say, "If they Army wanted you to have a family, they would have placed them in your TA-50."

If this means knowing and agreeing to what is becoming essentially an indefinite deployment, a guerilla war, a war with the most American objections since Vietnam, and a war dealt by an idiot commander-in-chief seemingly pressing random buttons... I doubt if our millitary will be as wonderful and as motivated as they are.

 

[BOBDN]

Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx

Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet

Yes those families. They earned every penny of it.

I agree. Most soldiers are worth every penny of it. My point was this: each soldier willingly enters the military fully the risks associated with military life; many do so for the benefits and for long-term employment. Many families of National Guard soldiers who have been deployed and left their 'real job' behind are complaining that they need their men/women back home to earn a 'real living' and pay the bills. In my opinion, no family member has a right to complain about pay, or about the length of a deployment.

As General Nash, my old 1st Armor Division commander, used to say, "If they Army wanted you to have a family, they would have placed them in your TA-50."

Well, we've become the Patriotism and Duty forum. All praise to the military. No one should be permitted to live in our nation, no less be our leader, without serving in one of our fine military institutions.

Oh, oops, that would eliminate Bush.

 

[UltraQuiet]

Well, we've become the Patriotism and Duty forum.

No we haven't. This has become the red-faced ranting retard forum co-chaired by you and phillytimmy. You wouldn't know the first thing about patriotism and duty. Ranting on a message board is neither.

All praise to the military

Stick it.

No one should be permitted to live in our nation, no less be our leader, without serving in one of our fine military institutions.

I'm against mandatory service but in your case I'll make an exception. When are you leaving?

Oh, oops, that would eliminate Bush

No it wouldn't.