Graphics for PCI Express to pose real cooling problems

[NFS4]

Yikes!!

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=11589

Voodoo 5 6000 anyone?

 

[JustAnAverageGuy]

:Q

that's alotta juice

 

[Jeff7]

It's been in the making for awhile I guess - a graphics cooling overhaul that is. That huge cooler that some Geforce FX cards use is a testament to that. And they're only going to keep getting more powerful. The card needs its own space for a good heatsink - one like a CPU uses might be an idea.
Or, the Geforce FX cooler idea could be on the right track come to think of it. Leave a good space between the graphics slot and the next slots specifically for a cooling solution. Maybe something a little quieter than the FX's hair dryer would be good though. It is a good way of getting the hot air right out of the system.

 

[beatle]

:Q 75 watts? That's ridiculous!

I'm also disappointed by this:

Nvidia's Reed will say that graphics performance will be increased by around 10 per cent.

I wonder if this will force the ATX form factor to change. So much heat is produced in one spot in the case where the video card, CPU and northbridge reside. Granted, the new A64 will not have a NB chip to cool, but I'm wondering what the next step in cooling will be. If a reduction is made, hopefully they extend the video card further down, flip it 180 degrees so that the heatsink resides on TOP of the card and not the bottom.

 

[BigFatCow]

Originally posted by: beatle
:Q 75 watts? That's ridiculous!

I'm also disappointed by this:

Nvidia's Reed will say that graphics performance will be increased by around 10 per cent.

I wonder if this will force the ATX form factor to change. So much heat is produced in one spot in the case where the video card, CPU and northbridge reside. Granted, the new A64 will not have a NB chip to cool, but I'm wondering what the next step in cooling will be. If a reduction is made, hopefully they extend the video card further down, flip it 180 degrees so that the heatsink resides on TOP of the card and not the bottom.

i think the reason the hs is on the bottom is so it doesnt get filled with dust, and stop the fan from working.

 

[draggoon01]

wait, so will pci express require a new psu?

 

[Double Trouble]

The question the manufacturers (whether it be nvidia, intel, amd etc) keep trying to answer is "how do we disburse the heat produced by this chip?". They come up with better cooling mechanisms and such. The question they all should be asking is "what path should we go down to decrease the amount of heat produced by the chip, while still increasing performance?".

Ultimately, if your video card, north bridge, cpu, hard drive etc etc all keep producing more and more heat, no matter how nicely you keep dissapating the heat from the chip, your PC will become a room heater. There's a lot of money to be made if someone can work on reducing the amount of heat generated.....

 

[Lonyo]

Originally posted by: tagej
The question the manufacturers (whether it be nvidia, intel, amd etc) keep trying to answer is "how do we disburse the heat produced by this chip?". They come up with better cooling mechanisms and such. The question they all should be asking is "what path should we go down to decrease the amount of heat produced by the chip, while still increasing performance?".

Ultimately, if your video card, north bridge, cpu, hard drive etc etc all keep producing more and more heat, no matter how nicely you keep dissapating the heat from the chip, your PC will become a room heater. There's a lot of money to be made if someone can work on reducing the amount of heat generated.....

They will most probably eventually go down the efficiency route, when they really need to.

Intel managed to design the Banias which is a built from the ground up low power/heat/high efficiency processor, if only they would do that for desktops and graphics cards (GFX cards might be more difficult I guess, but introducing new technologies might help/reusing old techniques)

On that note, how will the XGI dual chip cards get cooled? One fan for each? Surely 2 chips will put out a lot of heat and need quite a lot of power.

 

[LordOfAll]

wonder if this will force the ATX form factor to change

The BTX standard is under discussion right now.

 

[beatle]

Originally posted by: LordOfAll

wonder if this will force the ATX form factor to change

The BTX standard is under discussion right now.

I just saw that from this thread @ Ars. Looks interesting... and frustrating since I just got my Coolermaster this year.

 

[Budman]

Originally posted by: LordOfAll

wonder if this will force the ATX form factor to change

The BTX standard is under discussion right now.

http://web.newsguy.com/nstrom/BTX_Spec_1_0.pdf

 

[Davegod]

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=27&threadid=1142092

looks like an article on BTX coming from anand v soon also.

 

[zephyrprime]

Nvidia's Reed will say that graphics performance will be increased by around 10 per cent.

Somehow I doubt that since all testing of the benefits offerred by the various speed grades of AGP showed that there's only the tiniest of benefits from a fast bus for graphics cards.

flip it 180 degrees so that the heatsink resides on TOP of the card and not the bottom.

That'd be smart. A single exhaust fan can then suck out the heat from the cpu and video card.

 

[NFS4]

BTX article

http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.html?i=1876

 

[addragyn]

Originally posted by: BigFatCow

i think the reason the hs is on the bottom is so it doesnt get filled with dust, and stop the fan from working.

That seems like a good thought but think of how many rackmount boxes mount the board CPU facing down.