Graphic error leads to non boot black screen

helpmefixit

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Yesterday, Sat, july 29th in the year 2007, I began having horrible lag issues centered around World of Warcraft (no idea if its related), while switching characters and realms to see if this was a problem I was having with just my realm (I was not lagging outside of game at all, streamed video multiple times, ran speed tests, everything was fine), I encountered a huge graphical glitch out that pixelated my entire screen while flashing random colours making the game unplayable. I exited only to find that my desktop was victim to this error as well (though not to the same extent, it was messed up, but still generally visable and I was able to reboot).

I might add that the lag issue had stopped right after the graphical errors started. The graphical errors continued to happen after a duration of playtime, which lead me to try installing new drivers, which I did and everything was fine for about 10 minutes until it happened again, which lead me to believe it was a video card problem (most likely overheating as it seemed to happen after playing for a few minutes).

So as my comp had not been cleaned in awhile (and I do mean "awhile"), I decided to clean it out and have a look at the card. Upon inspection I found a small wall of dust in between my cards exhaust fan and its heatsink (radeon x850xt card, the fan pulls air off the heatsink and blows it out the back of the comp to cool it) blocking the cooling. Now the blockage was located in a place I couldn't access unless I took the entire card apart (which although I am fairly comp hardware literate is well beyond me). So I decided to replace it with my old radeon 9800pro (only used 6 months, perfectly fine).

Yet the graphical error persisted even after installing the other video card (it did happen in a slightly different fashion at first, but ended up the same after awhile).

So now I assume it is some other form of overheating (I had noticed my cpu had a high temp when I checked the bios during one of these many reboots) so I decided to pull my old ghetto style setup (which had worked for me before very well) by taking off the heatsink/fan and leaving the side of the case open with a large room fan directly on it a few inches away.

Now when I tried this the first thing I did was go into bios to check my cpu's temp with this "ghetto" setup. I found the cpu was down well below the level it had been before by at least 15+ degrees and was well within normal operating standards. My Cpu (from what I have read, should not be above 70 degrees celsius) was sitting around 48-50degrees (still high but it was up near 65 before I setup the room fan and removed the heatsink/fan). While sitting on the BIOS screen, I again encountered the graphical error (which really scared me) and upon the next reboot my computer basically "flatlined" as in, no bios screen, no motherboard check screen, would not boot into windows, simply just a black screen with nothing loading and continued to do so even after attempts at leaving it off for different durations.

So case in point I feel somthing in my computer broke. I don't specifically know why or how, I have very large doubts this was any form of virus as I had just ran an AV check at some point when the errors started happening and I use a good firewall. It obviously was NOT the video card as swapping in another perfectly working card didn't fix the problem. I have had ram problems before and this doesn't seem like one (although I can't rule that out totally). I feel it is either my motherboard is dead and or my cpu possibly overheated and has died because of it (although the cooling should have fixed that issue, it still could have fried itself when it might have overheated previously).

My problem is this, I have no way to test any of this, I don't have access to any other comp or comp parts and am unable to swap around hardware to isolate the part, wether it be the motherboard or the cpu (or possibly even the ram).

I'm posting this on an "old" computer (not compatible in any way with the hardware on the one I'm posting about) and would appreciate any help , suggestions or ideas in regards to this.

Specs are as follows :

p4 3.0ghz w/HT
Asus P4P800se motherboard
1gig corsair pc3200 ddr ram
Radeon x850xt pe / (radeon 9800pro all in wonder, only used ^ as mentioned)
120gig sata HD (forget what brand, doubt that matters)
550watt power supply
*onboard sound
 

Cutthroat

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Blow a big fan at the side with the side panel off and see if it will boot again, if it does, and continues to work OK you have an overheating problem, maybe with your RAM, could be an airflow problem with the case. But I think your motherboard is dead actually.
 

helpmefixit

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Originally posted by: helpmefixit
I decided to pull my old ghetto style setup (which had worked for me before very well) by taking off the heatsink/fan and leaving the side of the case open with a large room fan directly on it a few inches away.

Sorry I thank you for your post and I'm sure my big wall of text was a bad read but I've already tried that.

Somthing I should mention is, I have never had a problem (other than minor normal easy fixes of course) with the computer, I also had not changed a single thing and or installed any new programs, drivers, hardware or anything else before this problem started to occur.
 

Cutthroat

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Sorry, I missed that. But I still think your AGP slot has crapped out and you likely need a new motherboard.
 

helpmefixit

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Another question is and although this is very off topic it is still valid.

I'm not rich by any means but I can afford to get a new rig/tower built. I'm kind of into the idea and this would be my second time building one and I get giddy like a kid in a candy store when I think about it.

But...

The question is: Should I bother trying to figure out whats wrong by purchasing new parts?

Examples of what could happen -
1 - replacing the motherboard fixes the problem = roughly $100+ (Canadian dollars)
2 - replace the motherboard, find out thats not the problem, replace the cpu which
fixes it = $100+ and $200+ (cpu, just an estimate as I can't find pricing)
3 - replace both to find out neither is the problem = -$300+

^not to mention going through the time and trouble (like I said I'm not rich and ending up with #2 or 3 in that scenario would not be very cool at all).

Or...

Buy a new tower and assemble it = $1000'ish

I'm just concerned about whats going to happen within the next year or 2 here with directx and who knows what else. Worried if I build a rig now how long it will be good for?(don't care very much about graphics per-say as long as I can smoothly run a game).

Again sorry if this is a bit "off topic" yet it is my concern when I think about the problem I'm having, the risk of wasting a few hundred dollars to fix my current computer, compared to the sure thing by spending about a thousand or so on a new one and yet then running the risk of that investment not lasting as long as it should.

 

Cutthroat

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Well for me given the two choices I would build the new rig. Main reason being prices are so cheap right now you can build a killer PC for $1000-$1500. With a quick look at DirectCanada I see:

Q6600 - $320
Asus P5K mobo - $150
2GB OCZ Platinum DDR2-800 - $97
EVGA 8800GTS 320MB - $313
or
EVGA 8800GTX 768MB - $668
Vista Home Premium OEM - $118

There are much better deals to be had if you look around.

As far as your broken PC goes...

I am almost certain the problem is with your motherboard, but it could be your RAM too. I really doubt there is any damage to your CPU, that's very rare, and really doesn't seem the case here.
 

helpmefixit

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I have no way to test the ram. My old pc, the one im using now to post this, the motherboard only supports "SD" ram, so I'm unable to swap it and test.

I did however try some things in the last couple days here. I took my old 1.8ghz (socket 478, same as the newer 3.0ghz w/HT cpu I was using) into the "maybe" broken motherboard. It booted up and I was hopeful until it froze on the windows loading screen and then proceeded to degrade from that point with the graphical error syndrome. Upon further reboots the graphical error was present in bios and at the motherboard splash screen and finally degraded to the black screen non-post / boot. Which leads me to believe that my motherboard is indeed broken.

The odd thing (and this is more of a question here) is I tried putting my newer cpu (p4 3.0gghz w/HT) into my old motherboard (same socket, 478), from what I read and was led to believe, this should have been fine and the cpu would have simply functioned at a lower ghz output under the limits of my old motherboard (not sure how fast a cpu it supports). However, the computer failed to post/boot with this newer cpu installed.

My question is, can you put a faster cpu (same socket) into a motherboard that only supports a slower speed and is that the reason that it didn't boot up? or could it be that the cpu is faulty as well (possibly due to overheating, which may have caused the motherboard problem and or vice versa with the motherboard somehow affecting the cpu)?

Thanks for any ideas or suggestions.
 

Cutthroat

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It`s possible that the older motherboard just does not support that CPU no matter the speed (maybe it doesn`t support HT?). Go to the manufacturers website and see if that CPU is supported, it might need a BIOS update to work. If you can`t find anything let us know the model of the older motherboard and we can find out.