Graphic details emerge in Kobe case

[dahunan]

Well, the accuser is the one who made the charges.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Gaard

Cad-
<< What it will be used for is to explain the tears or the amount of "damage" since little tears would definitely be exacerbated even during consensual sex...possibly.>>

If it's used to explain the tearing, don't you think saying "She had sex 3 times in 3 days" is just as convincing as saying "She had sex with 3 different guys in 3 days"?

Maybe, but I'm not his attorney, but if i were his attorney I think i might have said it exactly as it was stated...just for effect Right or wrong - that is their job - to get their client a "not-guilty" verdict no matter what. That is a big problem with our system - no morals, just money.

CkG

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: dahunan
Well, the accuser is the one who made the charges.

The accuser did just that, accused. But I think it was the DA who decided to charge Kobe...if that's what you meant.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Gaard

Cad-
<< What it will be used for is to explain the tears or the amount of "damage" since little tears would definitely be exacerbated even during consensual sex...possibly.>>

If it's used to explain the tearing, don't you think saying "She had sex 3 times in 3 days" is just as convincing as saying "She had sex with 3 different guys in 3 days"?

Maybe, but I'm not his attorney, but if i were his attorney I think i might have said it exactly as it was stated...just for effect Right or wrong - that is their job - to get their client a "not-guilty" verdict no matter what. That is a big problem with our system - no morals, just money.

CkG

So, you do realize that any woman could see you leaving the subway and claim you fondled them or any woman you had sex with could say you raped them and you would be in this exact same situation..

PLUS.. Eagle County is 99% WHITE PEOPLE...AND that they recently settled a racial discrimination lawsuit brought against them.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: dahunan
Well, the accuser is the one who made the charges.

The accuser did just that, accused. But I think it was the DA who decided to charge Kobe...if that's what you meant.

A dumb hick Sheriff BROKE protocol (did NOT speak to DA first) and sought a arrest warrant on July 4th weekend and charged Kobe.. ..

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Gaard

Cad-
<< What it will be used for is to explain the tears or the amount of "damage" since little tears would definitely be exacerbated even during consensual sex...possibly.>>

If it's used to explain the tearing, don't you think saying "She had sex 3 times in 3 days" is just as convincing as saying "She had sex with 3 different guys in 3 days"?

Maybe, but I'm not his attorney, but if i were his attorney I think i might have said it exactly as it was stated...just for effect Right or wrong - that is their job - to get their client a "not-guilty" verdict no matter what. That is a big problem with our system - no morals, just money.

CkG

So, you do realize that any woman could see you leaving the subway and claim you fondled them or any woman you had sex with could say you raped them and you would be in this exact same situation..

PLUS.. Eagle County is 99% WHITE PEOPLE...AND that they recently settled a racial discrimination lawsuit brought against them.

Huh? Sure I know that I don't believe that I've taken a "side" on this Kobe issue, because no one has all the info. What I was saying though was that if I was a defense attorney that I would do anything it took to "free" my client - right or wrong. Good thing I didn't choose to be a lawyer, huh?

CkG

 

[dahunan]

The best and most unbiased commentary on the whole case.

 

[Zebo]

I hope he gets life in prison.

I hope your not to disappointed when he is found not guilty and don't cry like those silly folks did when OJ got off. With that much money you will create a resonable doubt.

 

[Miramonti]

This thread shows a lot about some people's character, and not kobe's.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

I'm not a Kobe (or Lakers) fan but this tidbit is enough for me . . .

Also, there is now apparently a discrepancy in her story when it comes to whether and to what extent she told Bryant "no" during the assault. The defense is going to try to use this discrepancy to portray this case as a "mixed signal" case -- a case in which Bryant honestly believed he had the woman's consent and immediately stopped once he realized he did not. Again, in order to convict Bryant, jurors may have to give the alleged victim the benefit of the doubt instead of the defendant -- and that isn't likely to happen.

I always believe the accuser should be given great leeway in explaining contradictory elements that occur during an assault. But if she cannot recall if she said "NO" or how forcefully she said "NO" that's disturbing. It is difficult to explain away beyond saying she was in shock from the assault by a much larger man that seemed so nice earlier.

 

[DevilsAdvocate]

Rape, at common law, is the unlawful carnal knowledge of a woman by man without her consent.

Look, people. Even if she is the biggest whore in the universe, no still means no.

How on earth is her alleged promiscuousness helpful at all in determining whether on the occasion in question she consented? The only way I can see it as helpful is it may be able to mitigate some of the physical evidence (lacerations, etc.) to the vaginal cavity.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: DevilsAdvocate
<STRONG>Rape, at common law, is the unlawful carnal knowledge of a woman by man without her consent.
</STRONG>
Look, people. Even if she is the biggest whore in the universe, no still means no.

How on earth is her alleged promiscuousness helpful at all in determining whether <STRONG>on the occasion in question</STRONG> she consented? The only way I can see it as helpful is it may be able to mitigate some of the physical evidence (lacerations, etc.) to the vaginal cavity.

She recently attempted to murder herself TWICE to GET REVENGE AGAINST A MAN.
She wasn't supposed to work that night
She is the conceirge and ASSIGNS the rooms
She put Kobes room in a secluded area
She seperated him and his bodyguards by 3 or more rooms
She doesn't remember if she said NO
She also told the invesitgator that she wanted Kobe to hit on her
She knows she is not supposed to bother any of the residents ever... the place is very expensive.
She snuck outside and then back through "employee only" hallways to get to his room
She left his room after the brutal attack and proceeded to finish her shift. She was met by the woman in charge while counting the cash drawer. The woman is the first person she met and that lady said she didn't see anything wrong with her whatosever. They held a conversation before she ever left.
She told some crazy stories that only appear in movies "after he raped me he forced me to kiss his penis" << She didn't tell that to the investigator.. only to the Nurse.
There were no scratches on Kobe or her...

BUT.. we will see.

I know many people want to see the arrogant Mr. Bryant in prison.. but just think about how you would feel if it was you.

 

[msparish]

How on earth is her alleged promiscuousness helpful at all in determining whether on the occasion in question she consented?

I think this makes a huge difference in the case. As you correctly said, no means no. However, based on her past that can cause a reasonable doubt, especially since the tearing could have happened or started earlier than Kobe. If her accusations are true, by all means, I hope Kobe is convicted. However, it is better that a guilty man go free than an innocent man convicted. We'll see how the case plays out.

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Come on, the woman had sex with 3 guys in 3 days, and now we are to believe that she was raped? Gimme a break. Yeah, she just went in to his hotel room at night to show him the tattoo on her butt. Sure.

Show me the proof. Oh wait the defense doesnt have any.

1. this girl has never changed her story, Kobe has.
2. they found her blood on the panties she wore the night of the attack, they also found her blood on his shirt. They did NOT find blood on the other pair of panties.
3. Both sides have hard cases. Neither side has an easy case.

 

[digitalsm]

Yes the defense has evidence that she slept with another man in the days prior to the attack. So what, she didnt try to deny it. They found her blood on his shirt and the panties she wore that night. If the previous sexual encounter casued the tramua, there would have been blood on the other set of panties too. There was not.

Let me knock these stupid things out of the way.

She recently attempted to murder herself TWICE to GET REVENGE AGAINST A MAN.
She wasn't supposed to work that night
She is the conceirge and ASSIGNS the rooms
She put Kobes room in a secluded area
She seperated him and his bodyguards by 3 or more rooms
She doesn't remember if she said NO
She also told the invesitgator that she wanted Kobe to hit on her
She knows she is not supposed to bother any of the residents ever... the place is very expensive.
She snuck outside and then back through "employee only" hallways to get to his room
She left his room after the brutal attack and proceeded to finish her shift. She was met by the woman in charge while counting the cash drawer. The woman is the first person she met and that lady said she didn't see anything wrong with her whatosever. They held a conversation before she ever left.
She told some crazy stories that only appear in movies "after he raped me he forced me to kiss his penis" << She didn't tell that to the investigator.. only to the Nurse.
There were no scratches on Kobe or her...

1. How do you know? Her medical records are private, not to mention not admissible in court. Secondly she had just lost her closest friends. Your first smear congrats.

2. How does this matter? People often work when they are schedualed to. No one knew Kobe Bryant was coming, the Lakers didnt. he also checked in under an assumed name.

3. Again what is your point?

4. How do you know? And how do you know it wasnt asked for by him or his bodyguards.

5. FYI it is extremely common for bodyguards to have rooms on a different level So having them 3 doors away is not in the least bit odd.

6. Says who? You. Lets wait for trial, when everything comes out.

7. I think thats what most women would want. Some rich famous guy to hit on them. They do not want to be raped however. Your point?

8. She didnt bother him. She gave him a tour of the lodge, when they got to his room, he asked her in.

9. Entirely made up.

10. One word, shock. Another, Embarassment. Another humilation.

11. Atleast she hasnt changed her story like Kobe did.

12. She had bruises on her face, neck and arms. Pictures of said bruises were taken at the hospitcal the day the rape kit exam was done.

And yes they do have recorded and written statements by Kobe Bryant that are contradicting. The defense has motioned to get them to be inadmissible in court. However it is a futile attempt. As he was properly represented at the time, he was also fully aware of his rights at the time.

 

[digitalsm]

The defense by no means has an easy case. Niether does the DA.

If anyone says Kobe Bryant was rail roaded if hes convicted, they are a moron. He is by no means getting rail roaded. Even if its an all white jury.

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: msparish

How on earth is her alleged promiscuousness helpful at all in determining whether on the occasion in question she consented?

I think this makes a huge difference in the case. As you correctly said, no means no. However, based on her past that can cause a reasonable doubt, especially since the tearing could have happened or started earlier than Kobe. If her accusations are true, by all means, I hope Kobe is convicted. However, it is better that a guilty man go free than an innocent man convicted. We'll see how the case plays out.

Well

1. Her past is not admissible, unless the defense can prove it should be. They can not prove she had sex with three men in three days. They can prove she had sex with another man in the days prior, but the DA can also prove by said persons testimony that there wasnt vaginal tramua. The DA is also helped by the fact that the panties worn on the night of the attack as well as Kobe Bryants shirt, had blood on them. The dirty panties she wore the next day that had the other guys semen and pubic hair did not. So its a stretch to say the previous encounter was the cause of the severe vaginal trauma.

 

[digitalsm]

I also might add, the prosecution has more evidence and testimony, they only talked about what they felt they needed to talk about in order to get a trial. They more than meet their burden to get a trial.

 

[Greg03]

Originally posted by: Tripleshot
I hope he gets life in prison.

The evidence is very damning. He put his hands around her neck and raped her. And then asked her not to tell. This bastard has set any respect for him upside down. If he is still a Laker in the next 48 hours, I will not even watch a Laker game again. :|

Hey didn't I see you at the Tawana Brawley rally?


Tawana Brawley

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: digitalsm
I also might add, the prosecution has more evidence and testimony, they only talked about what they felt they needed to talk about in order to get a trial. They more than meet their burden to get a trial.

Her saying that he stopped when she said stop meets the burden that a rape more likely than not took place?

 

[prontospyder]

Vail Daily - True justice calls for dismissal

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: digitalsm
Yes the defense has evidence that she slept with another man in the days prior to the attack. So what, she didnt try to deny it. They found her blood on his shirt and the panties she wore that night. If the previous sexual encounter casued the tramua, there would have been blood on the other set of panties too. There was not.

Let me knock these stupid things out of the way.

She recently attempted to murder herself TWICE to GET REVENGE AGAINST A MAN.
She wasn't supposed to work that night
She is the conceirge and ASSIGNS the rooms
She put Kobes room in a secluded area
She seperated him and his bodyguards by 3 or more rooms
She doesn't remember if she said NO
She also told the invesitgator that she wanted Kobe to hit on her
She knows she is not supposed to bother any of the residents ever... the place is very expensive.
She snuck outside and then back through "employee only" hallways to get to his room
She left his room after the brutal attack and proceeded to finish her shift. She was met by the woman in charge while counting the cash drawer. The woman is the first person she met and that lady said she didn't see anything wrong with her whatosever. They held a conversation before she ever left.
She told some crazy stories that only appear in movies "after he raped me he forced me to kiss his penis" << She didn't tell that to the investigator.. only to the Nurse.
There were no scratches on Kobe or her...

1. How do you know? Her medical records are private, not to mention not admissible in court. Secondly she had just lost her closest friends. Your first smear congrats.

2. How does this matter? People often work when they are schedualed to. No one knew Kobe Bryant was coming, the Lakers didnt. he also checked in under an assumed name.

3. Again what is your point?

4. How do you know? And how do you know it wasnt asked for by him or his bodyguards.

5. FYI it is extremely common for bodyguards to have rooms on a different level So having them 3 doors away is not in the least bit odd.

6. Says who? You. Lets wait for trial, when everything comes out.

7. I think thats what most women would want. Some rich famous guy to hit on them. They do not want to be raped however. Your point?

8. She didnt bother him. She gave him a tour of the lodge, when they got to his room, he asked her in.

9. Entirely made up.

10. One word, shock. Another, Embarassment. Another humilation.

11. Atleast she hasnt changed her story like Kobe did.

12. She had bruises on her face, neck and arms. Pictures of said bruises were taken at the hospitcal the day the rape kit exam was done.

And yes they do have recorded and written statements by Kobe Bryant that are contradicting. The defense has motioned to get them to be inadmissible in court. However it is a futile attempt. As he was properly represented at the time, he was also fully aware of his rights at the time.

Kobe to stand trial but...

Read what he had to say - it seems there is a picture such as dahunan painted. Guess we'll have to see if the procesution has an ace up their sleeve for the trial.

CkG