Graphic details emerge in Kobe case

[Mrburns2007]

Originally posted by: superant23

Originally posted by: Corn
Kobe started "dating" his wife when she was a 16 year old sophomore in high school. Regardless of whether or not he is guilty of rape, he's still a creep.........

Kobe is not much older than his wife.


Why did Gannett get outraged over Mackey's question of whether the injuries were consistent with a woman who had sex with 3 men in 3 days? How is Bryant supposed to defend himself if there's going to be an objection or outrage if his defense even tries to question this woman's character or credibility?

You can't just suggest it, there has to be a witness who could testify to it or 3 men who will testify that she had sex with them.

 

[dahunan]

Another man's semen reportedly found on Bryant's accuser

BY GREG GITTRICH AND CORKY SIEMASZKO
New York Daily News

NEW YORK - (KRT) - Kobe Bryant's defense team believes it has proof that the woman who accused him of rape had sex with at least one other man shortly before the alleged attack, the New York Daily News learned on Friday.

The revelation came a day after Bryant's lead defense lawyer, Pamela Mackey, caused an uproar at a court hearing by asking whether the woman's vaginal tearing was the result of "sex with three different men in three days."

Retired Eagle County District Court Judge William Jones said Mackey asked the question because she has physical evidence suggesting the tearing could have happened during an earlier sexual encounter.

"There was more than one man's semen found in her panties," Jones said. "That's what's behind all of this."

Jones said he learned of this from Mackey's co-counsel, Hal Haddon.

"I have known him for 40 years," Jones said. "He was doing some work for me and he mentioned it to me. It will come out in due course."

more at url
http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/sports/6985883.htm

 

[SuperTool]

Come on, the woman had sex with 3 guys in 3 days, and now we are to believe that she was raped? Gimme a break. Yeah, she just went in to his hotel room at night to show him the tattoo on her butt. Sure.

 

[Gaard]

<<Come on, the woman had sex with 3 guys in 3 days>>

The girl told you this? If she didn't, how else could you know this?


With all the Lakers players talking up Kobe...saying how this is so out of character for him, how he always has a home with the team, etc...I'm waiting for just one Laker to say something like "Kobe is one hell of a player. I love him. But if the accusations are true, he's scum...fvcking scum, and should be locked up."

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Gaard
<<Come on, the woman had sex with 3 guys in 3 days>>

The girl told you this? If she didn't, how else could you know this?


With all the Lakers players talking up Kobe...saying how this is so out of character for him, how he always has a home with the team, etc...I'm waiting for just one Laker to say something like "Kobe is one hell of a player. I love him. But if the accusations are true, he's scum...fvcking scum, and should be locked up."

Hey try getting a Laker Fan to say that

 

[MadRat]

A jury in Colorado is going to believe Kobe Bryant, prima donna NBA star and confessed adulterer, or one of their own?

I think its safe to say he will not get a fair trial. The trial should have been moved out of the local area.

 

[ReiAyanami]

to the Staples center?


leno joke

 

[Aegion]

Originally posted by: MadRat
A jury in Colorado is going to believe Kobe Bryant, prima donna NBA star and confessed adulterer, or one of their own?

I think its safe to say he will not get a fair trial. The trial should have been moved out of the local area.

What precisely do you mean by that? Outside of Eagle county can be dicussed, outside of the state will not happen and has not happened in any other trial. I'd also say a trial in LA would probably unfairly favor the defendant since a large number of LA Lakers fans would find themselves hurting their team's future prospects with a guilty verdict. Such a trial would also have problems with the fact that prospective jury members would tend to view the defendant so favorably due to his sporting accomplishments. If you remove the principle that the defendant must stand trial in the state he commited the crime, popular individuals could commit crimes and then get away with it in their home towns. I think Kobe's financial resources and celebrity mean he is at least getting a fair trial if not excessively good treatment due to his celebrity status.

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: friedpie

Originally posted by: gwlam12
WHY ARE SO MANY OF YOU ASSUMING HER STORY IS TRUE.

Why are so many assuming it isn't true?

innocent till proven guilty ring a bell? I dont believe either side yet, in part because I havent heard ALL of EITHER side.

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: Gaard
<<Come on, the woman had sex with 3 guys in 3 days>>

The girl told you this? If she didn't, how else could you know this?


With all the Lakers players talking up Kobe...saying how this is so out of character for him, how he always has a home with the team, etc...I'm waiting for just one Laker to say something like "Kobe is one hell of a player. I love him. But if the accusations are true, he's scum...fvcking scum, and should be locked up."

Look, why would the defense be saying she had sex with 3 guys in 3 days if they didn't have something to back it up. They aren't stupid. They know if they don't have any basis for these allegations, it will backfire on them as a smear campaign. I think if prosecution comes out there and alleges that her vaginal tearing was because Kobe bent her over a chair and rape her, then the defense has a right to bring up what they believe caused this tearing, such as having sex with 3 guys in 3 nights. Are we supposed to just automatically believe every woman who cries rape without evaluating her character? I think if she wants to send Kobe to jail for a long time based on her word versus his, she should be able to withstand the scrutiny necessary to evaluate whether her word is worth believing.

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: Gaard
<<Come on, the woman had sex with 3 guys in 3 days>>

The girl told you this? If she didn't, how else could you know this?


With all the Lakers players talking up Kobe...saying how this is so out of character for him, how he always has a home with the team, etc...I'm waiting for just one Laker to say something like "Kobe is one hell of a player. I love him. But if the accusations are true, he's scum...fvcking scum, and should be locked up."

Look, why would the defense be saying she had sex with 3 guys in 3 days if they didn't have something to back it up. They aren't stupid. They know if they don't have any basis for these allegations, it will backfire on them as a smear campaign. I think if prosecution comes out there and alleges that her vaginal tearing was because Kobe bent her over a chair and rape her, then the defense has a right to bring up what they believe caused this tearing, such as having sex with 3 guys in 3 nights. Are we supposed to just automatically believe every woman who cries rape without evaluating her character? I think if she wants to send Kobe to jail for a long time based on her word versus his, she should be able to withstand the scrutiny necessary to evaluate whether her word is worth believing.

So you know for a fact that she had sex with 3 guys in 3 days because the defense asked a question. Gotcha.



*note to self - Supertool is a supertool

 

[chazzheatherly]

The Newsweek bit about Kobe revealed that he has poor social skills - the best that idiot can manage is
to grab a white girl by the neck and demand sex - I hope he gets "sexxed up" real well by the Arian Brotherhood.
Hmm? 6'8? and only 200 pounds? They should have no problem with him. Hope Kobe is ready to become a "wide reciever".

 

[pickel]

She asked for , she got it, and now her friends have gotten her into one big ole mess. Yreah, girlfriends REALLY know how to make a situation that snowballs into something they didn't count on. Seen it a hundred times. Really feel sorry for her, stupid bit@h.

 

[DaiShan]

Originally posted by: Tripleshot

Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
quotes from the accuser's testimony"

"She said there was "mutual flirting" during the tour, Winter said."

" They chatted about tattoos and he asked her to show the tattoo she said she had on her ankle. She lifted her skirt and showed him."

"She said he asked her for a hug and she gave him one and then he began kissing her mouth, her neck -- actions she said she agreed to. She said the kissing lasted about 5 minutes. She said he then began to grope her breasts and butt. He began putting his hand under her panties"

"She said that while the intercourse was occurring he asked, "You're not going to tell anyone, right?" She said no. He asked her to look at him and again confirm that she would not tell anyone."

"She said Bryant asked her to go clean up in the bathroom. She said she was in the bathroom for about 5 minutes, fixing her hair"

for the entire statement read this
linky

now i'm no fan of kobe's, and i certainly don't think he acted in a gentlemanly manner, but you gotta wonder if the accuser is going to prevail.

i'm thinking he thought she was giving off certain signals, and wanted to have sex,
i'm thinking she was looking for a little thrill, and got more than she thought she was asking for..

just plain sad all around...the only "winners" in this are going to be the lawyers, who will use this to promote their own fame/recognition/careers,
both the accuser and the accused are damaged in many ways, no matter what the "truth"

and finally, wtf was Kobe thinking, he's married with a kid....worth a zillion dollars, and walking around with a bullseye painted on his back..
total lack of any common sense (much less decency)

How did you miss this (or dismiss this) from your own link?

She said she was trying to leave when Bryant "grabbed her around the neck," Winters said.

She said that he was trying to block her movement. She said she was afraid and he started to follow her as she moved toward the door. She said that he had both of his hands around her neck and was "controlling her movements."

She said he then bent her over a chair, pulled up black dress and pulled her panties down. She said that she told him that she needed to leave "and at one point, stated 'No,'" Winter said.

She said she began crying when the sexual intercourse started and didn't stop until it was over about 5 minutes later. She said the sex was painful.

She said she told Bryant "No" at least twice. When asked if she was yelling "No" she told Winters that she said "No" in a normal voice. She said he had ignored her.

Or this!!!

She said that while the intercourse was occurring he asked, "You're not going to tell anyone, right?" She said no. He asked her to look at him and again confirm that she would not tell anyone. She said she did that because she was afraid he would hurt her even more. She said when the incident was "about to end" she started prying his hands off her neck, and then he stopped.

This guy is pond scum. He deserves a long time in jail, and castration! :|

Let us all be glad that you are not in charge of creating our laws oh furor. I hope to GOD you are never on a jury, your complete lack of reverance for our legal system which is based on the premise of "innocent untill proven guilty" is revolting. There are two sides to every story, and you so adamantly dismiss Kobe's. Yes, he had sex with the girl, yes that was morally wrong, however if forcibly raped her remains to be seen. Open your eyes and attempt to get beyond your obvious disdain for celebrity, it just makes you look silly.

 

[DaiShan]

Originally posted by: Tripleshot

Originally posted by: TheBDB

Originally posted by: Tripleshot
I hope he gets life in prison.

The evidence is very damning. He put his hands around her neck and raped her. And then asked her not to tell. This bastard has set any respect for him upside down. If he is still a Laker in the next 48 hours, I will not even watch a Laker game again. :|

The evidence is very damning???? So far there is no evidence! Someone stating something is not proof. Have you seen any pictures? Are you this gullible about other things?

Gullible? What rock did you crawl out from under? Read the damn article, dude. You want to play smartguy here, tell us she is full of crap and the prosecution has no case. See how much support you get. You think there are pictures available? You sound gullible. Are you an apoligist for this rapist now? What be your cause, Bubba?

Your obvious rage makes this far too easy, after all emotion blinds reason... Ok now lets get back to the point that hearsay != evidence. After a rape in which the victim was strangled there will be obvious signs of struggle, such as hand marks on her neck, bruises on her body etc. Now this information has not yet surfaced, yet you are so sure that kobe is guilty, how? I won't say she is full of crap the same way you should not say kobe is guilty, you do not have all of the evidence so chill out.

 

[DaiShan]

Originally posted by: TheBDB

Originally posted by: Tripleshot

Originally posted by: TheBDB

Originally posted by: Tripleshot
I hope he gets life in prison.

The evidence is very damning. He put his hands around her neck and raped her. And then asked her not to tell. This bastard has set any respect for him upside down. If he is still a Laker in the next 48 hours, I will not even watch a Laker game again. :|

The evidence is very damning???? So far there is no evidence! Someone stating something is not proof. Have you seen any pictures? Are you this gullible about other things?

Gullible? What rock did you crawl out from under? Read the damn article, dude. You want to play smartguy here, tell us she is full of crap and the prosecution has no case. See how much support you get. You think there are pictures available? You sound gullible. Are you an apoligist for this rapist now? What be your cause, Bubba?

I'm not gullible because I have made no decision about the guilt or innocence of Kobe based on one news article. There is a reason we have trials....so ALL the evidence can be shown. And I would never apologize for a PROVEN rapist, in fact I think the death penalty should be extended to include them.

100% agreement. I would like to personally beat the fvck out of all rapists, however kobe is not a proven rapist.

 

[DaiShan]

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: gwlam12
WHY ARE SO MANY OF YOU ASSUMING HER STORY IS TRUE.

we havent even gotten to hear him defend himself yet.

And we havent even heard the whole story or seen all the evidence. This was a preliminary trial, where if the defense thought there was not enough evidence, they could have motioned for dismissal, obviously there IS enough evidence for trial.

Lets wait till the actual trial, which wont before another year as Kobe's going to drag it out, and waive his right to a speedy trial.

Though the testimony was graphic, the most explosive statement came from Bryant?s own defense attorney when she suggested under cross examination that the woman?s injuries would also be ?consistent with a person who has had sex with three different men in three days.?

If the defense said that during the trial with nothing to back it up, Kobe would be convicted. And so far, the defense has nothing to back up such a claim, nor would the witness they asked have the authority to comment one way or the other.

This was a hearing, in which even hearsay is admissable as evidence. During the actual trial there will be a much higher standard that "evidence" will be judged against.

 

[DaiShan]

Originally posted by: friedpie

Originally posted by: gwlam12
WHY ARE SO MANY OF YOU ASSUMING HER STORY IS TRUE.

Why are so many assuming it isn't true?

Because that is the basis of our adversarial system. The accused is assumed innocent untill proven guilty, ergo we must assume that her story is NOT true unless (untill?) it is proven beyond a reasonable doubt that it is.

 

[josphII]

Originally posted by: chazzheatherly
The Newsweek bit about Kobe revealed that he has poor social skills - the best that idiot can manage is
to grab a white girl by the neck and demand sex - I hope he gets "sexxed up" real well by the Arian Brotherhood.
Hmm? 6'8? and only 200 pounds? They should have no problem with him. Hope Kobe is ready to become a "wide reciever".

take anything you read about someones personal character from newsweek, or any other source, with a grain of salt. whoever wrote that article prolly has about as much first hand knowledge of kobe's character as you or i do.

 

[prontospyder]

Originally posted by: dahunan
Another man's semen reportedly found on Bryant's accuser

BY GREG GITTRICH AND CORKY SIEMASZKO
New York Daily News

NEW YORK - (KRT) - Kobe Bryant's defense team believes it has proof that the woman who accused him of rape had sex with at least one other man shortly before the alleged attack, the New York Daily News learned on Friday.

The revelation came a day after Bryant's lead defense lawyer, Pamela Mackey, caused an uproar at a court hearing by asking whether the woman's vaginal tearing was the result of "sex with three different men in three days."

Retired Eagle County District Court Judge William Jones said Mackey asked the question because she has physical evidence suggesting the tearing could have happened during an earlier sexual encounter.

"There was more than one man's semen found in her panties," Jones said. "That's what's behind all of this."

Jones said he learned of this from Mackey's co-counsel, Hal Haddon.

"I have known him for 40 years," Jones said. "He was doing some work for me and he mentioned it to me. It will come out in due course."

more at url
http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/sports/6985883.htm

Confirmed. Bryant's Lawyers Say They Have Evidence

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: prontospyder

Originally posted by: dahunan
Another man's semen reportedly found on Bryant's accuser

BY GREG GITTRICH AND CORKY SIEMASZKO
New York Daily News

NEW YORK - (KRT) - Kobe Bryant's defense team believes it has proof that the woman who accused him of rape had sex with at least one other man shortly before the alleged attack, the New York Daily News learned on Friday.

The revelation came a day after Bryant's lead defense lawyer, Pamela Mackey, caused an uproar at a court hearing by asking whether the woman's vaginal tearing was the result of "sex with three different men in three days."

Retired Eagle County District Court Judge William Jones said Mackey asked the question because she has physical evidence suggesting the tearing could have happened during an earlier sexual encounter.

"There was more than one man's semen found in her panties," Jones said. "That's what's behind all of this."

Jones said he learned of this from Mackey's co-counsel, Hal Haddon.

"I have known him for 40 years," Jones said. "He was doing some work for me and he mentioned it to me. It will come out in due course."

more at url
http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/sports/6985883.htm

Confirmed. Bryant's Lawyers Say They Have Evidence

TripleShot already HANGED Bryant and burned him at the stake.. TOO LATE

 

[Gaard]

From the link...
EAGLE, Colo. - Kobe Bryant's attorneys dropped another bombshell Wednesday, saying tests on the accuser's underpants revealed "compelling evidence" that the NBA superstar is innocent of rape and accused prosecutors of ignoring it.

The defense said the tests found "other substances" from a "source" other than the Los Angeles Lakers guard.

Can someone explain to me how finding 'other substances' is compelling evidence that Kobe is innocent? If the accuser had consensual sex with 10 different guys an hour before she met Kobe, is that evidence of Kobe's innocence? Is there a line of promiscuousity (sp?) that's drawn somewhere?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Gaard
From the link...
EAGLE, Colo. - Kobe Bryant's attorneys dropped another bombshell Wednesday, saying tests on the accuser's underpants revealed "compelling evidence" that the NBA superstar is innocent of rape and accused prosecutors of ignoring it.

The defense said the tests found "other substances" from a "source" other than the Los Angeles Lakers guard.

Can someone explain to me how finding 'other substances' is compelling evidence that Kobe is innocent? If the accuser had consensual sex with 10 different guys an hour before she met Kobe, is that evidence of Kobe's innocence? Is there a line of promiscuousity (sp?) that's drawn somewhere?

I thought that was a little overstated too, but how else do you expect a defense attorney to present it? It does lead to some level of "reasonable doubt" though....if it is allowed into the real trial. What it will be used for is to explain the tears or the amount of "damage" since little tears would definitely be exacerbated even during consensual sex...possibly.

/me waits for trial.

CkG

 

[gwlam12]

Originally posted by: Gaard
From the link...
EAGLE, Colo. - Kobe Bryant's attorneys dropped another bombshell Wednesday, saying tests on the accuser's underpants revealed "compelling evidence" that the NBA superstar is innocent of rape and accused prosecutors of ignoring it.

The defense said the tests found "other substances" from a "source" other than the Los Angeles Lakers guard.

Can someone explain to me how finding 'other substances' is compelling evidence that Kobe is innocent? If the accuser had consensual sex with 10 different guys an hour before she met Kobe, is that evidence of Kobe's innocence? Is there a line of promiscuousity (sp?) that's drawn somewhere?

kobe is still innocent. he's innocent till proven guilty.

there's blood and semen on panties worn by an accuser that were different than the ones worn during her encounter with kobe. so now we're waiting for an explanation on what thats all about.

the prosecution's case is weak so far.

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: gwlam12

Originally posted by: Gaard
From the link...
EAGLE, Colo. - Kobe Bryant's attorneys dropped another bombshell Wednesday, saying tests on the accuser's underpants revealed "compelling evidence" that the NBA superstar is innocent of rape and accused prosecutors of ignoring it.

The defense said the tests found "other substances" from a "source" other than the Los Angeles Lakers guard.

Can someone explain to me how finding 'other substances' is compelling evidence that Kobe is innocent? If the accuser had consensual sex with 10 different guys an hour before she met Kobe, is that evidence of Kobe's innocence? Is there a line of promiscuousity (sp?) that's drawn somewhere?

kobe is still innocent. he's innocent till proven guilty.

there's blood and semen on panties worn by an accuser that were different than the ones worn during her encounter with kobe. so now we're waiting for an explanation on what thats all about.

the prosecution's case is weak so far.

I agree. Kobe is innocent until proven guilty. But this whole 'she's a slut so she must be lying' argument is rather sickening, don't you think? Regardless of whether she's 'loose' or not, rape is rape. A promiscuous little tart is no more deserving of being raped as my mother. (Please, no jokes you guys ) Plus if someone is a promiscuous little tart, they aren't automatically a liar.
I know I'm no lawyer, but I don't agree with the 'attack' mentality of the defense. Remember, it's up to the prosecution to proove it's case. Wouldn't it be more prudent to defend against the charges instead of attacking the accusers character?

Cad-
<< What it will be used for is to explain the tears or the amount of "damage" since little tears would definitely be exacerbated even during consensual sex...possibly.>>

If it's used to explain the tearing, don't you think saying "She had sex 3 times in 3 days" is just as convincing as saying "She had sex with 3 different guys in 3 days"?