To be mated with 3.06GHz Pentium 4
BTW, wasnt GB supposed to support Dual DDR333 and have native Serial ATA support??
BTW, wasnt GB supposed to support Dual DDR333 and have native Serial ATA support??
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Granite Bay is ready for launch
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Spicedaddy
Platinum Member
Serial ATA will be in Intel's next ICH, which should come with Springdale. I think GB will only officially support PC2100 (1:1 ratio), but some boards may still have the 3:4 ratio for PC2700. Of course, you can overclock to get higher mem speeds too... 🙂
JackBurton
Lifer
Good God, this is going to freakin' ROCK! Firewire, USB 2.0, SATA, dual channel DDR, 3.06GHz P4? Damn, could you ask for anything more? AWESOME! Pair this with a nice new NV30 and you've got a PC that is off the charts!! 😀
That wouldn't make any sense. Dual DDR266 matches the bandwith of the 533mhz P4 bus perfectly. Dual 333 would be like pairing DDR333 with an Athlon with a 266 bus. No advantage.
I sure could. How about a PC that can render DVD video from raw mpeg in less than twice the length of the film. How about real time? Wait, better yet how about just a few minutes. These chips would have to run at 100ghz to do that. This may seem impressive to some but I'm not impressed with today's chips at all. I can't even encode to DVD from analogue in real time let alone better. more like half real time. This isn't even HDTV either. HA! Computers are still foggy old dinosaurs.
Wait, wait, or how about this. How about instead of my PC just replacing my console and stereo it also replaces my TV and VCR? How about a standard api for remotes? An RF reciever in every motherboard. Standard buttons which are recognized by windows such as play stop next last , channels, volume, record, etc. Since it would be a windows standard, all new apps would work with it. TV tuning software, radio tuning software, DVD playing software, Digital VCR software, winamp. The standard could also be programmable for each app like microsoft's mice. Then and only then can my PC replace my TV and VCR. Convergance. This is what I want. I also want it to be quieter. As quiet as my TV or VCR or game console or stereo which it's replacing. I want it to be more of an appliance than it is. Dual ddr is impressive I guess but don't you think they could be doing something better with their R&D?
accesories? Oh you mean like sound on a PC once was? Right...or a GUI. Yeah, intel designs the standards for case form factors and has some interesting prospects for modular PCs but doesn't really have any innovative designs whatsoever. They are one of the largest IT companies and if they aren't going to throw some innovation in there who will? I guess that's why the PC market is completely stagnent right now. Basically, when it comes right down to it, a PC today can't do anything that a K6-2 400 couldn't.
KpocAlypse
Golden Member
How bought a Pic and a "might" Date?
Spicedaddy
Platinum Member
Stop using software encoders and go buy a hardware mpg/mpg2 encoder.
draggoon01
Senior member
Pink0, i know what you mean. i wish video could be handled as mp3's are today: transferred, edited, or encoded in minutes. but once hdd capacity and cpu speeds reach that point, the standard resolution will go up also, so it'll be another round of waiting. maybe in... 10 years. but then again, after that final point is reached i don't see a need for better computers (aside from professional apps). hopefully a killer or even useful app will emerge as has happened in the past.
Yeah, the bottleneck in the rendering isn't the hard drive though. I've got enough temp space for that. It's all on the processor. It's maxed at 100% all the time and takes HOURS. A hardware encoder is not an option for me. It's too hard for them to deal with the ever changing divx landscape although it would be great for DVD if cheaper. My point was, though, that PC makers are basically following along blindly in the vision of what a PC should be from 1994. "multimedia pc" music, pictures, videos and games. Faster processor! more ram! Faster videocard! That's all well and good but why did the innovation stop there? Take it to the next step please...
draggoon01
Senior member
hdd capacity was meant more in terms of transferring times, and well, just ease of storage. before broadband when we were downloading mp3, hdd was around 4 gigs which could store a thousand songs (avg 4meg song). likewise i want to be able to store a thousand divx movies (avg 1.4gig 2cd jobbie) and be able to transfer them with ease. but terabyte hdd seems so, so far off. and hdd growth will probably go even slower since most users don't need more than 30 gigs.
yeah, aside from ever evolving games, what was the last useful thing latest tech provided that slower/older computers couldn't? internet? everything else isn't new, it's just done faster (office apps, etc).
although if hyperthreading really let's you run two intensive apps without stuttering, that will be nice
Yeah, the hard drive doesn't seem to be accessing much at all. I don't think it's a bottleneck and raid is always available. Please understand, I wasn't saying that I'm pissed off because it's not fast enough. I understand these things take time. I'm pointint out that it's not that big of a deal. I'm saying that processors haven't advanced far enough to handle such a simple task. It's not even HDTV FFS! So why make a big deal out of it? Why not focus on other innovations (or lack thereof) which COULD be implemented TODAY but aren't?
That article linked to was AMAZING! Did you see the picture? I understand that it's satire about redoing something that already exists only worse but I think that the point they made about better things for the future is the funniest bit! They really even haven't done that yet! Some of my favorite parts:
Glad you enjoyed that link as much as I did. 😀
The thing you have to realize is that consumer PC processors are not aimed at highend video production (and probably never will be) and everything else is evolving along with those processors. You can do realtime HD now with (expensive) specialized hardware boards. By the time you can do that with software on a general purpose CPU in realtime, there will doubtlessly be some amazing new video standard that will be out of reach of consumers. When DVDs first came out, studio MPEG-2 hardware encoders alone were $100K+ and they're still tens of thousands of dollars (and even they do multi-pass encoding), early burners were $15K and now they're $250. Just as DVD production has reached consumer price levels, the next generation blue-laser, high definition discs and players are coming over the horizon. Processing power will never reach that ideal point until we're all living in the Matrix.
Some of us are still amazed that we've moved beyond monochrome displays.
The thing you have to realize is that consumer PC processors are not aimed at highend video production (and probably never will be) and everything else is evolving along with those processors. You can do realtime HD now with (expensive) specialized hardware boards. By the time you can do that with software on a general purpose CPU in realtime, there will doubtlessly be some amazing new video standard that will be out of reach of consumers. When DVDs first came out, studio MPEG-2 hardware encoders alone were $100K+ and they're still tens of thousands of dollars (and even they do multi-pass encoding), early burners were $15K and now they're $250. Just as DVD production has reached consumer price levels, the next generation blue-laser, high definition discs and players are coming over the horizon. Processing power will never reach that ideal point until we're all living in the Matrix.
Some of us are still amazed that we've moved beyond monochrome displays.
Jeff7
Lifer
Ready for launch - does that mean that people will be able to actually buy it shortly after launch? Or is this one thing where a company announces a product, but that it won't actually be available for a few months? And did I just stumble across the difference between "announce" and "launch," if there is any? Am I asking too many questions? Should I stop sometime soon? What exactly is soon? Can you define what "what" means?
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manko, I understand what you're saying about there always beeing a better standard. DVD is the absolute baseline for video on the PC. You may be able to go to higher resolutions later but DVD will be acceptable for quite some time to come. There's nothing below it so being able to do this in real time will mean that the PC has finally come of age where consumers (not workstations) can do DV on their computers.
thomsbrain
Lifer
i've never tried to encode a DVD but my P4 can encode divx faster than real time, and the newer hyper-threading one will be even faster. the computer of your dreams already exists, you just need a nice All-in-Wonder and an Audigy. You'll have DVR, remotes, TV, TV outputs, blah blah.
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