Gran Turismo vs Forza

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Lifer
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We pretty much know what to expect in the GT series of games, more cars, more tracks, better graphics, more customization... but Forza looks to be quite the opponent, it offers many of the same features GT4 will, but also online play, damage/wear, and the Drivatars (AI bots that you can train to drive like you).. and it's gonna come out before GT4 is.

Personally I think I'm leaning towards Forza this year. Your thoughts? Comments? Or are you just buying both?? :)

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Forza
GT4

Forza Features:
Make every car yours: Collect models from more than 60 top car manufacturers, including Mazda, Nissan, Mercedes-Benz, Honda, Chevrolet, Ferrari, Porsche, BMW, and Dodge. Trick out sport compacts with real-world body kits, rims, spoilers, decals, side skirts, fender flares, and hood scoops. Add motorsport decals and team paint-schemes to supercars, GT racers, and exotics. Transform production cars into racetrack monsters.

Tune it up: Take your car to the garage and install alternative engines, suspension kits, bolt-on superchargers, brakes, rims, racing slicks, and more. Fine-tune gear ratios, fuel-mapping, forced-induction pressure, tire temperature and pressure, and ignition timing for the ultimate setup.

Experience the most technically advanced driving simulation on Xbox: Top automotive engineers teamed with experienced programmers to create an advanced physics engine for Forza Motorsport, designed to simulates authentic car performance. Cars incur damage and wear, which affects car performance. Advanced tire and suspension models respond to heat and pressure changes as well as weight transfer and aerodynamic load.

Drive in gorgeous track environments: From the famously challenging Nurburgring Nordschleife to the spectator-lined streets of Rio de Janeiro, race on meticulously designed tracks with an incredible sense of speed and realism.

Check out the revolutionary A.I. Drivatar technology: Train your own A.I. "Drivatars" to use the same racing techniques you do, so they can race for you in competitions or train new drivers on your team. Drivatar technology is the foundation of the human-like A.I. in Forza Motorsport.

Take online racing to the next level: From intense multiplayer wheel-to-wheel racing to challenging individual bests and beyond, Forza Motorsport?s Xbox Live gameplay will deliver innovations that reinvent the online racing experience.

Enjoy a graphical showcase on the most powerful console: Well-balanced reflections, lighting, and shadows tie together highly detailed cars and smooth-edged environments. Camera effects like blooming, lens flare, heat shimmer, light rays, depth of field, and haze create TV-quality presentation. Unique road textures, surface irregularities, persistent oil and skid marks, and scraped walls deliver an incredible sense of speed.

GT 4 Features


General

* New physics engine adding a higher level of realism in cars, which allows for cars to be handled easier.
* More than 5,000 polygons per vehicle capture exceptional detail, right down to the disc brakes behind the wheel.
* With an all-new AI engine, race opponents posses advanced artificial intelligence, which allows for behavior that captures human-like emotion.
* Refined replay mode with broadcast-quality graphics.
* Compatible with the Logitech Driving Force Pro Wheel ? To further enhance the automotive racing experience, in lieu of the DUALSHOCK2 analog controller, the Logitech Driving Force Pro can be used for the entire game. Available in black with brushed aluminum accents, the Gran Turismo branded GT Force Wheel provides a shifter for manual transmissions, 900 degrees of steering rotation and force-feedback.

Game Modes

* GT Career 'Simulation' Mode ? Via the GT Universe, players start from the bottom and race to earn money, unlock cars and courses, buy and sell cars and upgrade parts while competing in more than 200 various championship races. Upon entering the GT Universe, players have the option to visit the following Gran Turismo resort facilities:

o My Home ? the player's home and garage
o Dealership Town ? divided by continent, players can visit dealerships representing over 80 manufacturers from around the world.
o Tuner's Village ? players can visit famous tuning shops to upgrade their car(s).
o Race Event Pavilions ? players can visit and join various races.
o License Center ? players will have the opportunity to participate in various driving tests to earn licenses for access to various race formats.
o Music Theater ? players will have the opportunity to enjoy various music from around the world.
o Circuit Racing ? players can visit the "suburbs" and enter races at various circuit tracks.

* Mission Races ? To experience the drama of racing at a new level, a new race style will be structured as a mission-clearing based race event offering numerous variables for the player to capture the checkered flag.
* New "High Score" System ? The player who wins a race is not necessarily the one who captures the checkered flag, but graded on how well they drive and challenge themselves among the competition based on their car type, horsepower and modifications related to the race field.
* GT Director Mode / B-Spec: Players take the role of a race team manager and provide direction to their driver (A.I.) to compete in races while viewed and directed through the classic "broadcast-style" replay screen, on-board camera and race monitor screen. In B-Spec mode, the player will have the opportunity to adjust various car settings for proper race setup, choose the difficulty level, which is also known as the "Pace Command," followed with direction on when to overtake competition and take pit stops where a variety of car settings can be adjusted to further progress in the race ? from tires to the volume of fuel for refueling.
* GT Photo Mode ? Divided in two formats: 1) "Photo Drive" ? players have the opportunity to photograph their car during the race where they can take advantage of zoom, depth of field and motion blur. 2) "Photo Travel" ? Players can take their favorite car and travel around the globe to conduct photo sessions in exotic locations through a variety of angles. Once the photo is taken in the game, the player can save it to their memory card (8MB) (for PlayStation 2) and have the option to share with friends or print out a color copy via a USB printer. Up to 50 photos can be taken at one time. 15 locations in total that include: Gion District ? Kyoto, Japan; Nanzenji Temple ? Kyoto, Japan; Sagano ? Kyoto, Japan; Tsumago ? Nagano, Japan; Piazza San Marco ? Venice, Italy; Shibuya ? Tokyo, Japan; Tokyo International Forum ? Tokyo, Japan; Shiga Kogen ? Nagano, Japan; Brooklyn, New York; Times Square, New York City; Asian Fish Market; Fremont Street, Las Vegas; Louisberg Square, Boston; Grand Canyon, Arizona;
* GT Arcade Mode - Players compete against each other or the artificial intelligence with select cars on select courses. More cars and course are available in the GT Arcade Mode when they are unlocked in the GT Career Simulation Mode.

Automobiles
* More than 650 automobiles representing more than 80 manufacturers from around the world representing historically significant vehicles to popular cars of today and tomorrow.
* All vehicles are fully customizable from racing tires to gear ratio.
* New driver assist functions: In addition to anti-lock brakes, traction control systems and active stability control, Gran Turismo 4 will include active steering as well, further enhancing the safety features.
* Reflecting the latest car tuning trends, superchargers and NOS will be available.

Race Courses

* Up to 100 courses that encompass rally courses, closed-circuit courses and city courses covering both real-life and fantasy-based locales. Some courses can be played in reverse mode. Some courses include:
* Closed Circuit Courses

o Fuji Speedway '80 (Japan) ? The original Fuji Speedway, which was known as one of the fastest tracks in the world.
o Fuji Speedway '90 (Japan) ? The current Fuji Speedway.
o Tsukuba Circuit 2000 (Japan) ? Known as a sacred ground for testing various production and sports cars in Japan.
o Twin Ring Motegi - Full Course and Oval Track (Japan) - Both and International road course and the only 1.5 mile oval course in Japan built for Indy Car racing.
o Suzuka Circuit - Full Course (Japan) ? This track is also host to the Japanese Formula One Grand Prix.
o Laguna Seca Raceway (USA) ? Located near Monterey, California, this track returns from Gran Turismo 3 A-spec, this track returns with a higher level of realism. The time setting has changed from sunset to mid-day clear skies.
o Infineon Raceway (USA) ? Located in Sonoma County near San Francisco, Infineon Raceway is a unique road course that plays host to NASCAR, NHRA, LeMans and various other auto racing competition.
o Nurburgring Nordschleife (Germany) ? The world's most challenging and difficult course is approximately 13 miles long and contains 176 turns. This track is known for a proving ground for many sports cars from around the world.

* City Courses

o Tokyo R246 ? Returning from Gran Turismo 3 A-spec, this track returns with a higher level of realism.
o Seattle ? Returning from Gran Turismo 3 A-spec, this track returns with a higher level of realism. The time setting has changed from sunset to mid-day clear skies.
o New York City ? This track is in the center of Manhattan and includes Broadway, Times Square, Fifth Avenue and Central Park. Hong Kong ? Developed and created with full support from the Hong Kong Government Tourism Department.
o Las Vegas Drag Strip ? A quarter-mile drag race down the Las Vegas strip.
o George V Paris ? Race course through the streets of Paris including popular sites such as the Arc de Triomphe and Les Champs-Elysees.
o Opera Paris ? Additional course through the streets of Paris.
o Cote D'Azur ? Race course through the streets of Monaco. Special Stage Route 5
o Citta di Aria ? Race course through Italian city.

* Nature and Fantasy-based Courses: Grand Canyon, Swiss Alps, Ice Arena, Grand Valley, Trial Mountain, Midfield Raceway, Snow Lake, High Speed Ring, Costa di Amalfi (Race on the island of Capri in Italy), Motorsports Land, Tahiti Maze, Autumn Maze


Human Element

* In addition to expressing cars and the surrounding environments, Gran Turismo 4 will express people to a new level never seen before in racing videogames ? from the driver, to the pit crew in action, to the movement of the spectators.
 

igowerf

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Since I have a PS2 and no XBox, I'll have to say GT4, although Forza looks really good.
 

Malak

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Ok, I've played all the GTs. Loved them to death. They were lots of fun, very serious racing games. GT3 had beautiful graphics and is one of the few games I could stand to play for hours(had to, some races took hours). However, there is one thing that GT has always been missing that Forza is bringing. DAMAGE. I think, with this new element, we will see even more realism in Forza than in GT4, and I'm excited for it. I was watching Forza at PAX and saw this guy's bumper just barely hanging on, it got me excited.

I'm sure GT4 will be awesome, and I would tell anyone to get it if they like racing and have a PS2. And if they have an xbox, I'd tell them to get Forza. If they have both, get both. Personally, I have neither, so I won't be getting them. But Forza makes me want to get an xbox :)
 

AdamSnow

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I only have a PS2... so GT4 it is for me...

Would it be dumb to buy an X-BOX for only 1 or 2 games ? haha
 

Cristatus

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thanks for the screens. anywho, i just realized, we only have an xbox, and since GT isn't available for XBOX, i guess i'm gonna have to lean for Forza
 

imported_FishTaco

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How did Microsoft pull off damage and wear with licensed cars? I thought car manufacturers didn't like to show their cars all busted up.
 

Malak

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Originally posted by: FishTaco
How did Microsoft pull off damage and wear with licensed cars? I thought car manufacturers didn't like to show their cars all busted up.

Dunno, that's why GT has never had damage. But then, M$ has the cash to buy it.
 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: malak
Originally posted by: FishTaco
How did Microsoft pull off damage and wear with licensed cars? I thought car manufacturers didn't like to show their cars all busted up.

Dunno, that's why GT has never had damage. But then, M$ has the cash to buy it.

It looks like Forza will have less cars, so they probably didn't get all of them to give permission
 

duragezic

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Forza looks great. Although I don't own a console, my roommate has a Xbox and PS2. Although I doubt he would buy either one, I hope he would purchase Forza over GT4. :) Plus when I heard they removed online play, I was pretty disappointed. And I could care less about 650 cars, although 60 is a bit weak (c'mon how can you let the competitor have 10x as many cars?). And I'm betting on Forza having much better graphics. PS2 graphics are pretty outdated IMO.
 

Supermercado

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I don't own a PS2 so Forza it is for me. And I'm having a very difficult time waiting for it.

Also, Forza's going to have more than just 60 cars, isn't it? In the OP's text it says cars from more than 60 manufacturers. I can't imagine that we'll get just one car from each maker. Right?
 

Malak

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Originally posted by: duragezic
Forza looks great. Although I don't own a console, my roommate has a Xbox and PS2. Although I doubt he would buy either one, I hope he would purchase Forza over GT4. :) Plus when I heard they removed online play, I was pretty disappointed. And I could care less about 650 cars, although 60 is a bit weak (c'mon how can you let the competitor have 10x as many cars?). And I'm betting on Forza having much better graphics. PS2 graphics are pretty outdated IMO.

GT4 will look just as good if not better than Forza. Trust me.
 

Malak

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Originally posted by: SuperCommando
I don't own a PS2 so Forza it is for me. And I'm having a very difficult time waiting for it.

Also, Forza's going to have more than just 60 cars, isn't it? In the OP's text it says cars from more than 60 manufacturers. I can't imagine that we'll get just one car from each maker. Right?

Yeah it says manufacturers, not cars. But many of those manufacturers probably will be just one car, was same way in GT. Some of them, like major ones like ford or nissan, will have perhaps a dozen, but many won't have much. I would guess at least a couple hundred?
 

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Originally posted by: malak
Originally posted by: duragezic
Forza looks great. Although I don't own a console, my roommate has a Xbox and PS2. Although I doubt he would buy either one, I hope he would purchase Forza over GT4. :) Plus when I heard they removed online play, I was pretty disappointed. And I could care less about 650 cars, although 60 is a bit weak (c'mon how can you let the competitor have 10x as many cars?). And I'm betting on Forza having much better graphics. PS2 graphics are pretty outdated IMO.

GT4 will look just as good if not better than Forza. Trust me.

I dont doubt that GT4 will look really nice, but the ps2 lacks many hardware features that the xbox has, like Anti-Aliasing for example. Rumour has it the screenshots of Forza dont do it justice... you need to see it in motion.
 

Malak

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I have seen Forza in motion. I've also seen what the ps2 can handle. They will both be beautiful.
 
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Both. GT4 for the same quality we've always got since the original. Forza because of the damage (haven't seen the modeling yet) and increased competition in the genre.

But remember, GT5 will finally have a damage model on the PS3, it's been said. Let the simulation racewars begin! :D
 

Confused

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I'm looking forward to both games, however only have a PC and Xbox, so it will be Forza that I will be buying.

It's just a shame that the Xbox doesn't support decent steering wheels, as I have the Logitech Driving Force Pro steering wheel (the official PS2 GT4 one) which I'm using with my PC, would be nice to use it with the Xbox too :(
 

AdamSnow

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Originally posted by: blurredvision
Both. GT4 for the same quality we've always got since the original. Forza because of the damage (haven't seen the modeling yet) and increased competition in the genre.

But remember, GT5 will finally have a damage model on the PS3, it's been said. Let the simulation racewars begin! :D

They're talking about GT5 and PS3 when GT4 isnt even out yet ?

haha... wild :)
 
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Originally posted by: AdamSnow
Originally posted by: blurredvision
Both. GT4 for the same quality we've always got since the original. Forza because of the damage (haven't seen the modeling yet) and increased competition in the genre.

But remember, GT5 will finally have a damage model on the PS3, it's been said. Let the simulation racewars begin! :D

They're talking about GT5 and PS3 when GT4 isnt even out yet ?

haha... wild :)
Yes, I hate when they do this. But the only talk about GT5 that I've seen has been in interviews.
 

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I played the Forza demo with the 350Z on the Laguna Seca track, and it felt like the car turned a little too easily.