im thinking work. hopefully i can get a nice paying job (55k+). but if it doesnt work out then i'll go to grad school. i have decent grades so hopefully i can get into a good one. uiuc is my top choice.
graduating CS/CE majors: work or grad school?
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I was in the same boat as you not too long ago. If you had asked me a year ago, I would have said that I would definitely go work, but then I realized that a graduate degree is something that I'm going to want sooner or later in life, and I figured now is the best time since I've already been in school for a while. This fall I'll be starting my Masters in aerospace engineering.
My opinion is that if you really think you'll enjoy doing technical work in your career, then go to grad school now. If you want to move into management, then go work for a few years and then get an MBA.
My opinion is that if you really think you'll enjoy doing technical work in your career, then go to grad school now. If you want to move into management, then go work for a few years and then get an MBA.
Originally posted by: mugsywwiii
You are delusional. Especially if you descibe your grades as "decent." Although I have a friend who graduated with a 3.4 who got a 55k job this year... while I'm still unemployed. Bastard.
my gpa is higher than that. 55k is too much? find someone else. a 20k income after taxes and living expenses just isnt worth it.
Originally posted by: mugsywwiii
You are delusional. Especially if you descibe your grades as "decent." Although I have a friend who graduated with a 3.4 who got a 55k job this year... while I'm still unemployed. Bastard.
i don't think he's delusional at all... i know that my dept has people getting paid that and more.
http://www.cs.washington.edu/education/ugrad/current/Jobsurvey/jobs2003.html
i know some of these people, so i know they're not bs'ing... companies like ms, google, amazon.... they're hiring and paying decent salaries.
My friend, who had a 3.8 undergrad in CS at UC Davis, didn't get into the graduate program at UC Davis. The problem is that the job market is so bad the graduate schools are getting saturated and it's extremely competitive, at least that's the situation I see right now. The only way you can get any job at all is if you have some serious connections. Do you know what you want to do exactly? If it's software engineering or programming, remember companies can outsource to India for that type of stuff, and you'd better believe they do. Vaguely stating that you think you can get a 55k+ job is totally delusional as someone stated, but is possible if you have the right connections.
My suggestion: apply to a LOT of grad schools.
My suggestion: apply to a LOT of grad schools.
mugs
Lifer
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Originally posted by: khlee
Originally posted by: mugsywwiii
You are delusional. Especially if you descibe your grades as "decent." Although I have a friend who graduated with a 3.4 who got a 55k job this year... while I'm still unemployed. Bastard.
my gpa is higher than that. 55k is too much? find someone else. a 20k income after taxes and living expenses just isnt worth it.
Yeah, mine was substantially higher than that... I have no idea how he pulled off getting that job.
As for your "find someone else" comment... let me sum up the computer science job market for you right now, since you have clearly been living under a rock for the last 3 years. In the past few years, thousands of people have been laid off or had their companies disappear from under them. Those people all have quite a bit of experience doing their jobs. You do not. So, anything below 55k is not enough for you? Have fun in grad school.
20k of disposable income... hah... hah... hah...
Originally posted by: mugsywwiii
Originally posted by: khlee
Originally posted by: mugsywwiii
You are delusional. Especially if you descibe your grades as "decent." Although I have a friend who graduated with a 3.4 who got a 55k job this year... while I'm still unemployed. Bastard.
my gpa is higher than that. 55k is too much? find someone else. a 20k income after taxes and living expenses just isnt worth it.
Yeah, mine was substantially higher than that... I have no idea how he pulled off getting that job.
As for your "find someone else" comment... let me sum up the computer science job market for you right now, since you have clearly been living under a rock for the last 3 years. In the past few years, thousands of people have been laid off or had their companies disappear from under them. Those people all have quite a bit of experience doing their jobs. You do not. So, anything below 55k is too little for you? Have fun in grad school.
20k of disposable income... hah... hah... hah...
that looks bad, but considering most programmers dont feel comfortable with recursion and most dont even speak english, id say that isnt saying much. most of my friends who are good programmers and know how to sell themselves landed some very nice jobs.
Originally posted by: khlee
Originally posted by: mugsywwiii
Originally posted by: khlee
Originally posted by: mugsywwiii
You are delusional. Especially if you descibe your grades as "decent." Although I have a friend who graduated with a 3.4 who got a 55k job this year... while I'm still unemployed. Bastard.
my gpa is higher than that. 55k is too much? find someone else. a 20k income after taxes and living expenses just isnt worth it.
Yeah, mine was substantially higher than that... I have no idea how he pulled off getting that job.
As for your "find someone else" comment... let me sum up the computer science job market for you right now, since you have clearly been living under a rock for the last 3 years. In the past few years, thousands of people have been laid off or had their companies disappear from under them. Those people all have quite a bit of experience doing their jobs. You do not. So, anything below 55k is too little for you? Have fun in grad school.
20k of disposable income... hah... hah... hah...
that looks bad, but considering most programmers dont feel comfortable with recursion and most dont even speak english, id say that isnt saying much. most of my friends who are good programmers and know how to sell themselves landed some very nice jobs.
Where and doing what?
i'm not sure if you missed it, but i posted a link to the exit survey of our graduating class:
http://www.cs.washington.edu/education/ugrad/current/Jobsurvey/jobs2003.html
to answer the original question, when i do graduate, i'm gonna go to grad school.
kryocera, intuit, saic.. etc. mostly based in san diego.
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mugs
Lifer
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Originally posted by: khlee
Originally posted by: mugsywwiii
Originally posted by: khlee
Originally posted by: mugsywwiii
You are delusional. Especially if you descibe your grades as "decent." Although I have a friend who graduated with a 3.4 who got a 55k job this year... while I'm still unemployed. Bastard.
my gpa is higher than that. 55k is too much? find someone else. a 20k income after taxes and living expenses just isnt worth it.
Yeah, mine was substantially higher than that... I have no idea how he pulled off getting that job.
As for your "find someone else" comment... let me sum up the computer science job market for you right now, since you have clearly been living under a rock for the last 3 years. In the past few years, thousands of people have been laid off or had their companies disappear from under them. Those people all have quite a bit of experience doing their jobs. You do not. So, anything below 55k is too little for you? Have fun in grad school.
20k of disposable income... hah... hah... hah...
that looks bad, but considering most programmers dont feel comfortable with recursion and most dont even speak english, id say that isnt saying much. most of my friends who are good programmers and know how to sell themselves landed some very nice jobs.
Wow... how does someone graduate when they don't understand recursion?
I wasn't trying to be mean or anything, but companies that are paying $55k to recent grads right now are few and far between. I'm sure some of your friends did land great jobs, but that is far from the norm right now. I'm an excellent programmer as well, but I've never even gotten a chance to "sell" myself (oh how I hate that phrase) - I haven't had a single interview, because all of the companies around here are looking for people with experience... They can do that, because there are plenty of unemployed Lucent people here. My friend that got the $55k job had the good fortune of living in the right geographical area.gopunk, very impressive! However, seeing's how UW is one of the best if not THE BEST CS school in the nation, I feel as though the survey isn't representative of the current job market.
no, 28 out of 140 bothered to fill out the survey....
and even if it was true... you don't think you can be in the top 20% of your class?
And I wonder why the other 112 didn't fill out the survey.... Could it possibly be because they're unemployed? *cough*
Unless you've interned at a nice company, got a 3.9+ GPA, or have sweet connections, or all the above, you aren't going to score $55k. Maybe in an area with real high living expenses, I don't know. People with 5 years experience may not score that salary. And any big company could hire 3 Indian programmers for that much.
Originally posted by: Muzzan
And I wonder why the other 112 didn't fill out the survey.... Could it possibly be because they're unemployed? *cough*
regardless, when 20% of them are getting jobs averaging around 60k+, i don't think it's accurate to tell him that he's "delusional".
kev1n.... i know, the stats vary from school to school... i guess i just thought delusional was a rather strong adjective.
seriously.. some of the cs majors out there.. blecch. i wouldnt hire them for $10/hour. maybe 5.
Originally posted by: khlee
Originally posted by: mugsywwiii
Originally posted by: khlee
Originally posted by: mugsywwiii
You are delusional. Especially if you descibe your grades as "decent." Although I have a friend who graduated with a 3.4 who got a 55k job this year... while I'm still unemployed. Bastard.
my gpa is higher than that. 55k is too much? find someone else. a 20k income after taxes and living expenses just isnt worth it.
Yeah, mine was substantially higher than that... I have no idea how he pulled off getting that job.
As for your "find someone else" comment... let me sum up the computer science job market for you right now, since you have clearly been living under a rock for the last 3 years. In the past few years, thousands of people have been laid off or had their companies disappear from under them. Those people all have quite a bit of experience doing their jobs. You do not. So, anything below 55k is too little for you? Have fun in grad school.
20k of disposable income... hah... hah... hah...
but considering most programmers dont feel comfortable with recursion and most dont even speak english.
Who told you that? Yeah, the WHOLE field of computer science depends upon recursion. And what's up with the English comment? Stereotype much?
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