GPU Temperature

[Aberforth]

sorry if this annoys anyone.

If we are making a bad decision by purchasing a crappy product then we must find some way to protect our investment, not wait for it to blow up and RMA to get the same old faulty product in a new cover. It's like crashing a ferrari and applying for insurance.

I know end user is just supposed to use the product, but there is a reason why there are reviews, benchmarks, price comparisons etc so that users can make wise decisions before buying the product.

 

[Munky]

I think what n7 means is Nv designed the cooler to allow the card to idle at 80C, and hence it's their problem. I'm aware that high ambient temps will make the card run hotter, but a good cooling design would have increased the fan speed to compensate for that, but apparently Nv doesn't think it's necessary, and if I was in that situation and my card failed, I would hold Nv responsible as well.

 

[chizow]

Originally posted by: munky
I think what n7 means is Nv designed the cooler to allow the card to idle at 80C, and hence it's their problem. I'm aware that high ambient temps will make the card run hotter, but a good cooling design would have increased the fan speed to compensate for that, but apparently Nv doesn't think it's necessary, and if I was in that situation and my card failed, I would hold Nv responsible as well.

That's not true either, since he said even when fan throttles up, the temps don't change from 80C, which implies thats the limit of the cooling capabilities of the heatsink. It could get hotter, I'm sure, but then he's probably staring at one of those black/blue/flashing screens he so loves to complain about. I know, I know, its NV's fault they didn't include a stand-alone VapoChill unit with the card.

 

[ctk1981]

Years ago I had a compaq presario 4540 or something like that...came equipped with the k62-233mhz processor, no cooling whatsoever in those cases. I installed a 3dfx PCI vodoo3 2000 to play unreal at the time. Man did that make a huge difference....and man did it ever fry that card within a month! It got so hot the pci bracket had turned almost a purple color. The heatsink and GPU literally fell off the PCB when I removed it for an RMA. Nice thing was 3dfx was still in business and sent me a complete new card in retail packaging with no other questions asked.

Who's fault was it? Both I believe. Those cards ran hot to begin with....they should of had active cooling. My fault because it was installed into a case that didn't have proper air flow.

Having the side of the case open is actually worse if you have proper air flow, which should be slightly more exhuast air the incoming air. Sounds odd, but I've witnessed it on a few systems I've built. Removing the side panel for prolonged periods raised temps of the CPU. I'm in somewhat of a similar problem right now. The new 8800GTS I installed has raised the MB temps of the case, where as the previous setup of 7800GT sli with NV5 silencers had the case temp about 20 degrees cooler. I'm looking into options of mounting a fan in the spare bays, the case is a Lian Li V2000 which only has one incoming air fan that blows over HD's and nothing else....the V2000 is seperated into compartments if you havent seen it before. The scythe kama bay cooler with a better fan looks like my best option of getting some cold incoming air into the motherboard area.

Should NV designed a better cooler or method of controlling the fan? Yea I agree to that....but I am going to try and improve the situation some on my own, not a real big fan of sending things out for RMA, especially if I could have tried something to prevent it. At this point cooling the entire system outweights the cons of having to spend the money to correct the problem.

 

[FireChicken]

Maybe try This. My humble opinion... All stock coolers suck. If I had to I would, at the very least, remove the stock coolers and replace the stock thermal goop they use. Or even better move to water.

 

[n7]

Sorry to keep this thread going, but since most people just don't seem to get it, let me explain things.

First off, i was told:

Originally posted by: JAG87
but 80c idle is excessive, you are torturing that card.

Except who says that's the case?
JAG87 & chizow.

Based on what they've posted, apparently they feel they know more than nVidia.

They assume that running 80C is hurting the card.
I'd like to see this statement from nVidia...of course, there is no such statement.

Yet apparently they know it's too hot. :roll:

FWIW, i have experienced no instability or crashing on this "overheating" card.

As i have tried to explain, the way the drivers are set, the only time the fan actually kicks in is @ 80C.

Simply put, e.g., if the core temp is 65C, the fan only runs around 60% speed
Until the core reaches 80C, the fan does not increase speed.
And then it basically maintains the 80C temps, adjusting fan slower or faster to keep things running at a nice cool 80C.
As soon as i launch a game, the fan usually jumps to 80-100% right away, to attempt to keep temps around 80C.

In fact, just to verify what i'm trying to explain, i jumped into Bioshock @ 2560x1600 maxed.

Before in the game, temps were around 77C @ ~ 60% fan speed (since i have window open, it's a bit cooler).
As soon as i got into the game, temps went up to around 80-82C.
And after playing for about ten minutes, the fan speed had slowly crept up to ~ 81% to keep the card running at, you guessed it, 80-81C.

So here's why i keep at this:
Idle temps = 80C
Load temps = 80C

This is a goddamned driver setting...it's designed that way.

So by telling me that i'm hurting my card by idling at 80C, you're basically saying nVidia doesn't understand how to write drivers for their own cards, & is trying to fry their own cards.

So pardon me, but i'm going to put a bit more faith in nVidia than some random posters who think they know what's acceptable temps for a GPU.




I know you guys like to think you know everything, but think of it in simple terms.

I'm Joe Blow, & i buy the best video card out there.

I install it into my Dell, pop in the drivers, & start gaming.

I don't know what Rivatuner or nTune are, or have a clue how to check temps, & i don't care, since i'm busy gaming.

And all is well (even though, z0mg the h0rr0r, unknown to me, my card is "overheating" at 80C all day & night long).

End of story.

 

[chizow]

Originally posted by: n7

FWIW, i have experienced no instability or crashing on this "overheating" card.

Hahahaha. Right, that's plainly obvious judging from your need to post in every single NV driver/Vista thread, complaining about how crappy the drivers are and how you constantly experienced lock-ups, BSODs, flashing screens, driver restarts, etc etc ad nauseum.

As i have tried to explain, the way the drivers are set, the only time the fan actually kicks in is @ 80C.

Simply put, e.g., if the core temp is 65C, the fan only runs around 60% speed
Until the core reaches 80C, the fan does not increase speed.
And then it basically maintains the 80C temps, adjusting fan slower or faster to keep things running at a nice cool 80C.
As soon as i launch a game, the fan usually jumps to 80-100% right away, to attempt to keep temps around 80C.

In fact, just to verify what i'm trying to explain, i jumped into Bioshock @ 2560x1600 maxed.

Before in the game, temps were around 77C @ ~ 60% fan speed (since i have window open, it's a bit cooler).
As soon as i got into the game, temps went up to around 80-82C.
And after playing for about ten minutes, the fan speed had slowly crept up to ~ 81% to keep the card running at, you guessed it, 80-81C.

So here's why i keep at this:
Idle temps = 80C
Load temps = 80C

This is a goddamned driver setting...it's designed that way.

So by telling me that i'm hurting my card by idling at 80C, you're basically saying nVidia doesn't understand how to write drivers for their own cards, & is trying to fry their own cards.

Again, you're assuming 80C is well within working parameters, when in reality it could very well be the cooling limitations of the card or the maximum threshold for which the card will continue to function without overheating. The driver is simply designed to cool the card enough to continue to function while producing the least amount of noise. By running it at 80C, assuming the cooler can't cool it anymore or the card no longer functions normally much beyond 80C, you have absolutely no headroom or margin for error. The next step is the card failing to function, or overheating. That's simple enough to understand isn't it? Sure, NV could've just made the fan run at 100% all the time to prevent potential heat problems, but then people would complain about the fan being overly noisy all of the time.

So pardon me, but i'm going to put a bit more faith in nVidia than some random posters who think they know what's acceptable temps for a GPU.

lol. You do know how hot 80C is right? That's 176F. Its not random posters who think they know what's acceptable temps, its a chemistry/engineering/physics thing. Hell, just look at it historically. I simply can't remember any parts (CPU or GPU) that had normal operating temps @80C, and parts today are much more complex, running faster with more transistors packed in a smaller area. Hell, even one of the hottest and highest performing parts in recent memory, the Athlon A Thunderbird, threw up red flags @70C.

I know you guys like to think you know everything, but think of it in simple terms.

I'm Joe Blow, & i buy the best video card out there.

I install it into my Dell, pop in the drivers, & start gaming.

I don't know what Rivatuner or nTune are, or have a clue how to check temps, & i don't care, since i'm busy gaming.

And all is well (even though, z0mg the h0rr0r, unknown to me, my card is "overheating" at 80C all day & night long).

End of story.

The difference is Joe Blow, and even Dell for that matter, would have the common sense to put their newly purchased "best video card" in a case with decent cooling instead of just removing the side panel and blaming temps and problems on drivers. lmao.

 

[Tazrose]

Chizow

N7 is actually right beleive it not.

The G80 is a hot card. I had mine hitting over 90oC and thought shit man its gonna fry. The gpu shutdown threshold is 125oC. I set this to 105 just in case. It once even hit 101oC...

I searched Hi and low on the net and no one knew for sure what was the safe temp not to exceed. My cards (2x 8800gtc OC BFG Tech) were idling late 70's. So I upped the fan speeds to 100% constant and knocked off 10-12oC.

Still hit the late 80's. I have a huge Silverstone Temjin case with excellant airflow. So I email BFG for clarification. They tell me its completly safe @ 90oC and to keep using it! If it goes, they say, just RMA for a new one, sounding confident that it wont.

Give the man a break. Theres a lot of unfounded information on the G8800GTX. I ve been running mine for about 4 months now and they usually sit mid 80's under load and occasionally go over 90. No crashes, artifacts or BSOD....No slow down NOTHING...i just keep playing and then take a break every hour or so and let them drop to idle 65-75oC.

 

[NYHoustonman]

Originally posted by: FireChicken
Maybe try This. My humble opinion... All stock coolers suck. If I had to I would, at the very least, remove the stock coolers and replace the stock thermal goop they use. Or even better move to water.

Good to see there are more coolers being released for the 8800's, I've been waiting for one like the Silencers I had for my 9800 Pro, that would exhaust heat out the back... This looked like it could fit what I wanted until I read that it actually blows air to the FRONT of the case >.> .

 

[neothe0ne]

My 8600GT's threshold is also 125C, but that doesn't mean I'm not the least bit concerned that it idles at 50C and peaks 82C when gaming in a well-cooled case. Granted, I've never seen my card go above 83C, but still.

 

[Laminator]

I've used an 8800GTS for a while; idle temperatures were ~60 degrees and load temperatures were definitely above 80 degrees. I've never experienced anything wrong with the card.

According to an nVidia or eVGA representative (can't remember which), GeForce 7 was recommended to run in the mid-70's but in reality it would take temperatures of around 100 degrees to actually cause damage to the chip. He stated that as long as the chip remained under 90 degrees, it would be okay. This is GeForce 7.

If 80 degrees is an unsafe temperature for the 8800 series, then a crapload of people must be experiencing problems because most of the posts I see of people reporting their 8800 temperatures on stock coolers over at HardForums report load temperatures of over 80 degrees. Some of them go up to 90 degrees.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: chizow

Originally posted by: n7

FWIW, i have experienced no instability or crashing on this "overheating" card.

Hahahaha. Right, that's plainly obvious judging from your need to post in every single NV driver/Vista thread, complaining about how crappy the drivers are and how you constantly experienced lock-ups, BSODs, flashing screens, driver restarts, etc etc ad nauseum.

As i have tried to explain, the way the drivers are set, the only time the fan actually kicks in is @ 80C.

Simply put, e.g., if the core temp is 65C, the fan only runs around 60% speed
Until the core reaches 80C, the fan does not increase speed.
And then it basically maintains the 80C temps, adjusting fan slower or faster to keep things running at a nice cool 80C.
As soon as i launch a game, the fan usually jumps to 80-100% right away, to attempt to keep temps around 80C.

In fact, just to verify what i'm trying to explain, i jumped into Bioshock @ 2560x1600 maxed.

Before in the game, temps were around 77C @ ~ 60% fan speed (since i have window open, it's a bit cooler).
As soon as i got into the game, temps went up to around 80-82C.
And after playing for about ten minutes, the fan speed had slowly crept up to ~ 81% to keep the card running at, you guessed it, 80-81C.

So here's why i keep at this:
Idle temps = 80C
Load temps = 80C

This is a goddamned driver setting...it's designed that way.

So by telling me that i'm hurting my card by idling at 80C, you're basically saying nVidia doesn't understand how to write drivers for their own cards, & is trying to fry their own cards.

Again, you're assuming 80C is well within working parameters, when in reality it could very well be the cooling limitations of the card or the maximum threshold for which the card will continue to function without overheating. The driver is simply designed to cool the card enough to continue to function while producing the least amount of noise. By running it at 80C, assuming the cooler can't cool it anymore or the card no longer functions normally much beyond 80C, you have absolutely no headroom or margin for error. The next step is the card failing to function, or overheating. That's simple enough to understand isn't it? Sure, NV could've just made the fan run at 100% all the time to prevent potential heat problems, but then people would complain about the fan being overly noisy all of the time.

So pardon me, but i'm going to put a bit more faith in nVidia than some random posters who think they know what's acceptable temps for a GPU.

lol. You do know how hot 80C is right? That's 176F. Its not random posters who think they know what's acceptable temps, its a chemistry/engineering/physics thing. Hell, just look at it historically. I simply can't remember any parts (CPU or GPU) that had normal operating temps @80C, and parts today are much more complex, running faster with more transistors packed in a smaller area. Hell, even one of the hottest and highest performing parts in recent memory, the Athlon A Thunderbird, threw up red flags @70C.

I know you guys like to think you know everything, but think of it in simple terms.

I'm Joe Blow, & i buy the best video card out there.

I install it into my Dell, pop in the drivers, & start gaming.

I don't know what Rivatuner or nTune are, or have a clue how to check temps, & i don't care, since i'm busy gaming.

And all is well (even though, z0mg the h0rr0r, unknown to me, my card is "overheating" at 80C all day & night long).

End of story.

The difference is Joe Blow, and even Dell for that matter, would have the common sense to put their newly purchased "best video card" in a case with decent cooling instead of just removing the side panel and blaming temps and problems on drivers. lmao.

You can tell the difference between a crash due to drivers and a crash due to hardware problems. If he says the drivers are bad and cause his crashing, I tend to believe him.

FWIW: everyone said the HD2900xt was hot, but even at 780/975 I never see temps above 80c and the fan never gets past ~40%. It's only briefly on and off, never spools up to levels that would distract from my gaming. Idle is about 65c.

 

[bryanW1995]

80c isn't so bad. my fan doesn't get above 36 % until it reaches 88c, and that is the stock factory setting. fan doesn't reach 100 % until 100c. of course, it is a little bit louder than an 8800gtx fan at 100%...kinda like a jet engine at 20 feet is a little bit louder than wind blowing through the grass.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995
80c isn't so bad. my fan doesn't get above 36 % until it reaches 88c, and that is the stock factory setting. fan doesn't reach 100 % until 100c. of course, it is a little bit louder than an 8800gtx fan at 100%...kinda like a jet engine at 20 feet is a little bit louder than wind blowing through the grass.

I've never heard the 2900XT fan at 100%. When my PC started up while I had the X1900XT it would spool up to 100% briefly, the 2900 doesn't do that.

 

[n7]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

I've never heard the 2900XT fan at 100%. When my PC started up while I had the X1900XT it would spool up to 100% briefly, the 2900 doesn't do that.

Haha, trust me, you don't want to.

I still remember turning up the fan to 100% on my HD 2900 XT when i had it.

I pretty much was like...Holy Sh!t!

It's an absolutel hurricane force @ 100% (you should really try it for fun - get Rivatuner to test )


As for the 8800 temps, thanx guys for confirming what i'd already said.

chizow appears to have great trouble comprehending english, heck, actually it seems he only comprehends his own incorrect opinions really.

 

[chizow]

Originally posted by: cmdrdreddYou can tell the difference between a crash due to drivers and a crash due to hardware problems.

How so? The symptoms are identical, with the card failing to function resulting in either lock-ups, crashes to desktop, BSODs, restarts, flashing screens etc. etc. In many of those cases, monitoring temperatures does little good because the system no longer functions and you can't see temps when the system crashed. So what can you do to isolate the problem? Eliminate potential sources of problems, like heat, so you can better identify what you think might be the culprit (drivers). But I guess this is just too big a dose of common sense for some people. Bottom-line is that the video card is no longer functioning properly, the cause of which can be many things with the symptoms being the same.

If he says the drivers are bad and cause his crashing, I tend to believe him.

Of course you do, chances are you're right there bashing Nvidia drivers when many others are pleased with them and have been for a very long time.

Originally posted by: n7
As for the 8800 temps, thanx guys for confirming what i'd already said.

chizow appears to have great trouble comprehending english, heck, actually it seems he only comprehends his own incorrect opinions really.

Confirming what? That some people have no problems with their 8800s and its drivers despite all your moaning and groaning to the contrary? That some systems with different components and software can run at 80C without any problems while you're staring at a flashing screen/BSOD and scratching your head? Doesn't change the fact you'd rather point the finger when you run into problems instead of using some common sense (and no, removing the side of the case doesn't count) to try and remedy the problem.

 

[n7]

nvm will clarify after werk

 

[RussianSensation]

You guys have to remember that other than the difference in cases between everyone in this thread, there are differences in configurations.

Raptors for instance are known to run very hot relative to other hard drives (i.e. 45*C vs. 35*C for say samsung). Having more hard drive creates more internal heat. Then there are variations in ambient temperatures (I don't have AC and mine gets to +30*C sometimes!). The power supplies vary, as well as, the cpu heatsinks and overclocks. Comparing one's gpu temperatures relative to someone else is close to impossible given these factors.

As a point of reference with my Q6600 @ 3.4ghz, 2GB of ram, 2 HDDs, 120mm exhaust fan and 92 mm side fan I am getting 70*C idle and 80*C load on 8800GTS 320mb stock speeds. At 621/2000 overclock it loads at 87*C at 100% gpu speed.

Having said that, RivaTuner sets a threshold at 125*C leaving a lot of room for this design. GPU's and CPU's don't necessarily have the same thresholds. Plus the heavy power users like n7 upgrade often which means it really doesn't matter if the card runs at 80-100*C since in 1-2 years it'll be sold or replaced. About the only concerns with higher temperatures are:

1) instability
2) poor overclocking
3) exhausted hot air makes the computer room's temperature uncomfortable.

Also, most cards today have lifetime warranty (like XFX or EVGA). So if anyone here feels uncomfortable with the temperatures related to card's lifespan, just buy from those brands.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: n7

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

I've never heard the 2900XT fan at 100%. When my PC started up while I had the X1900XT it would spool up to 100% briefly, the 2900 doesn't do that.

Haha, trust me, you don't want to.

I still remember turning up the fan to 100% on my HD 2900 XT when i had it.

I pretty much was like...Holy Sh!t!

It's an absolutel hurricane force @ 100% (you should really try it for fun - get Rivatuner to test )


As for the 8800 temps, thanx guys for confirming what i'd already said.

chizow appears to have great trouble comprehending english, heck, actually it seems he only comprehends his own incorrect opinions really.

I have no need to let it go to 100%, the card never spools the fan up above 40% even after 10loops of 3dmark, 2hours of Real Time High Dynamic Range Lighting demos, AMD's DX10 demo whiteout running for 3 hours, and 2 hours of Bioshock. I can't hear the fan. I do use rivatuner to change my clock speeds and I did a temp monitor. Never saw above 82c in any test.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: chizow

Originally posted by: cmdrdreddYou can tell the difference between a crash due to drivers and a crash due to hardware problems.

How so? The symptoms are identical, with the card failing to function resulting in either lock-ups, crashes to desktop, BSODs, restarts, flashing screens etc. etc. In many of those cases, monitoring temperatures does little good because the system no longer functions and you can't see temps when the system crashed. So what can you do to isolate the problem? Eliminate potential sources of problems, like heat, so you can better identify what you think might be the culprit (drivers). But I guess this is just too big a dose of common sense for some people. Bottom-line is that the video card is no longer functioning properly, the cause of which can be many things with the symptoms being the same.

If he says the drivers are bad and cause his crashing, I tend to believe him.

Of course you do, chances are you're right there bashing Nvidia drivers when many others are pleased with them and have been for a very long time.

Originally posted by: n7
As for the 8800 temps, thanx guys for confirming what i'd already said.

chizow appears to have great trouble comprehending english, heck, actually it seems he only comprehends his own incorrect opinions really.

Confirming what? That some people have no problems with their 8800s and its drivers despite all your moaning and groaning to the contrary? That some systems with different components and software can run at 80C without any problems while you're staring at a flashing screen/BSOD and scratching your head? Doesn't change the fact you'd rather point the finger when you run into problems instead of using some common sense (and no, removing the side of the case doesn't count) to try and remedy the problem.

You can tell. If the game is working 100% fine, no artifacts, no slowdown, etc etc for hours on end then your hardware is functioning. If then the game suddenly crashes the next day for no reason and you are forced to restart. Drivers... It's not that hard to see the difference. Hardware failure would be ALL THE TIME. Driver issues usually pop up here and there. Only this game or that game, only ay this time or with that option.

 

[RussianSensation]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

You can tell. If the game is working 100% fine, no artifacts, no slowdown, etc etc for hours on end then your hardware is functioning. If then the game suddenly crashes the next day for no reason and you are forced to restart. Drivers... It's not that hard to see the difference. Hardware failure would be ALL THE TIME. Driver issues usually pop up here and there. Only this game or that game, only ay this time or with that option.

Well that completely contradicts the Problems I had with Radeon 8500 with catalyst 3.3 to 3.9 drivers. With all of those drivers the card would randomly reboot in excel, videogames, internet browsing. Completely unpredictable and random. It would give me memory dumps and blue screen of death (serious system error reboot). Those problems did not perceive with 3.2 or below or 4.0 or above. So according to your explanation, mine should have been a hardware problem...

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: RussianSensation

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

You can tell. If the game is working 100% fine, no artifacts, no slowdown, etc etc for hours on end then your hardware is functioning. If then the game suddenly crashes the next day for no reason and you are forced to restart. Drivers... It's not that hard to see the difference. Hardware failure would be ALL THE TIME. Driver issues usually pop up here and there. Only this game or that game, only ay this time or with that option.

Well that completely contradicts the Problems I had with Radeon 8500 with catalyst 3.3 to 3.9 drivers. With all of those drivers the card would randomly reboot in excel, videogames, internet browsing. Completely unpredictable and random. It would give me memory dumps and blue screen of death (serious system error reboot). Those problems did not perceive with 3.2 or below or 4.0 or above. So according to your explanation, mine should have been a hardware problem...

No because you could tell your card worked fine by using a different driverset right? If you couldn't tell the difference then you can't say "the drivers made me crash" could you? My point is illustrated.

Becides, the real issue here with N7 is this. The card idles at 80c for him. The drivers do not push the fan to high levels in order to extract that extra heat from the card and push it out the back of the case. Thus, Nvidia's drivers and Nvidia's team says that 80c is acceptable for temps. If it wasn't then the driver would load the fan to 100% and drive the temp down to say 65c. Since it doesn't, it can therefore be assumed that the card at 80c is not in any danger. Sure it seems high because even my HD2900XT only gets that high at load for a while, but the fact is that it is not dangerous to the hardware. My E6400 idles at 50c and before you say "OMG THAT"S NUTZ!!! O.O !!" think about it. My load temps are only 63c on both cores with Prime95. It's stable. That is still within the safe limits of what Intel says the chip can handle for heat. If it wasn't then it would throttle itself or shutdown which doesn't happen.

 

[n7]

Originally posted by: chizow
Confirming what? That some people have no problems with their 8800s and its drivers despite all your moaning and groaning to the contrary? That some systems with different components and software can run at 80C without any problems while you're staring at a flashing screen/BSOD and scratching your head? Doesn't change the fact you'd rather point the finger when you run into problems instead of using some common sense (and no, removing the side of the case doesn't count) to try and remedy the problem.

Can you please explain to me where i am moaning & groaning about problems?

In basically every post you've made in this thread, you've tried to put words in my mouth i never said.

I am not having instability problems or crashing problems or any problems with my card right now, so please, quit telling me i am

I had "driver stopped..." issues way back in July, & some lockups in UT2k4 related to that as well, but as soon as i got the 163.11 beta drivers, those issues went away.
All the drivers since then have worked just fine for me.

So the last time i was personally having issues with the drivers was a month & a half ago.

So please, cease the lies.

The card isn't overheating, as i've explained how the drivers only bump the fan up when it hits 80C, & as everyone else in this thread has confirmed, 80C isn't causing people temps issues.

So thus far, i've seen nothing but you:
1. Spewing your opinions all over as if it's fact
2. Saying i'm having issues with my card & complaining about it (wtf? ), & other nonsense.

I'm not trying to say i like having a card running that hot, but it's pretty obvious it's well within spec.

What i'd like to see from you is where i'm reporting issues that you could possibly imagine as temps issues (i'm sure your creative imagination will find a correlation somehow), since according to you, i'm whining about them in every thread

Sure, i don't always praise nV's drivers, since well, they're not great.
But they're improved a ton, & luckily, haven't negatively affected me much recently.