[GPU.RU]Playing the first half of 2013 against modern cards

3DVagabond

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The overall scoring looks pretty competitive. The 770 and 760 don't really add much. They just slot in to the pack as opposed to offering anything better than what we already had. Improves perf/$, which is a good thing. Lowering the prices of the 680 and 670 would have done the same thing, though.

Why would they include the Ares, a specialty card when no others are included, and 780's in SLI, when everything else is nothing but single cards? To stop from showing the 7990 as the the fastest card available?
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You take the Ares and 780SLI out and the 7990 kills the other cards.
 

Nomanor

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Why so butthurt?

I, for one, liked to see how 780 SLI stacks up against other single GPU cards.
 

BrightCandle

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I am going to continue to wait for the next generation on a new process. That should offer at least 50% more performance, because changing blocks for +30% at the price point of the 780 is kind of crazy and expensive.

But its all sort of shaped up as expected really, other than of course the dual radeon results are potentially garbage with dropped frames and such.
 

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Why so butthurt?

I, for one, liked to see how 780 SLI stacks up against other single GPU cards.

Why so butthurt? You avg. about 10 posts a year and that's the best you could come up with? You've got another 6 weeks or so, before you're due to post again. Think real hard and make the next one more worthwhile.

Besides, are you actually saying that you didn't know that SLI 780's would beat any single card on the market?
 

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I am going to continue to wait for the next generation on a new process. That should offer at least 50% more performance, because changing blocks for +30% at the price point of the 780 is kind of crazy and expensive.

But its all sort of shaped up as expected really, other than of course the dual radeon results are potentially garbage with dropped frames and such.

I'm actually surprised the 7990 is as far ahead of the 690 as it is. I always thought they were much closer than that. It's also interesting to see how much the 770 and 760 are actually offering in increased performance. Consider they are supposed to be new and improved and Tahiti and the 680/670 are well over a year old now. No perceivable improvement at all, really.
 

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To me the real winner is 780, providing good performance at a competitive price compared to Titan.
 

Zanovar

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Out of curiosity does any anandtech forum member own an asus ares 2?does anyone?:p.
 
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I'm actually surprised the 7990 is as far ahead of the 690 as it is. I always thought they were much closer than that. It's also interesting to see how much the 770 and 760 are actually offering in increased performance. Consider they are supposed to be new and improved and Tahiti and the 680/670 are well over a year old now. No perceivable improvement at all, really.

The advantage seems to be only at the 1600p resolution. I'm not sure exactly why either, as even the 780's don't do as well at 1600p, and they don't have the bandwidth issue.
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SithSolo1

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Ugh, looks I'm going to need GTX 780 power for Star Citizen at 1200p. Better start saving pennies.
 

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It seems that AMD needs to do something regarding 780.I believe it is making Titan almost redundant(considering only gaming and single monitor setups here).
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AMD needs to do nothing about the 780, there are very few people out there who will spend $650 on a video card. I'd almost bet the 780 does more for sales of the 7970 GHz or GTX 770 because it's such a poor buy in comparison.
 

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The advantage seems to be only at the 1600p resolution. I'm not sure exactly why either, as even the 780's don't do as well at 1600p, and they don't have the bandwidth issue.
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I noticed that. It seems to be a bit of a trend lately that multi gpu doesn't scale as well at lower res. I suppose that's better than not scaling at higher res. where it's more needed.
 

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To me the real winner is 780, providing good performance at a competitive price compared to Titan.

Not much of a bullet point, considering Titan is already vastly overpriced.

It looks like the 780 only gets you around 5-8 frames extra in some games for paying over $300 more. That kind of increase doesn't buy you much, maybe you'll be able to dial AA from 2x to 4x.
 

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Not much of a bullet point, considering Titan is already vastly overpriced.

It looks like the 780 only gets you around 5-8 frames extra in some games for paying over $300 more. That kind of increase doesn't buy you much, maybe you'll be able to dial AA from 2x to 4x.

Your forget a Titan is a Titan. Its the prestige along with the performance. Plus they overclock reasonably well on the stock BIOS, I've got mine around 1110MHz/6008MHz. I'll upgrade when there is another single GPU $1K card that can give me a sizeable performance boost, that looks like a long way off.
 

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AMD needs to do nothing about the 780, there are very few people out there who will spend $650 on a video card. I'd almost bet the 780 does more for sales of the 7970 GHz or GTX 770 because it's such a poor buy in comparison.

Well if 780 was not selling well NV would have lowered the price.I would not be surprised if 780 is helping 770's sales, faster cards gives you a better brand recognition.So AMD needs to respond.
 
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Nope, because 780s SLI still scales well at 1080p. Its probably the bandwidth issue, 256 bit bus just doesn't like high res and 7970 and 780/titan pulls away at 1600p. Its well known these cards are already bandwidth starved at 1080p, OC on vram scales very well for "mid-range" keplers.
 

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considering the current state of Crossfire (hopefully it will change with the new driver in a few days), I wouldn't really consider the dual AMD cards here to be comparable to anything else... maybe it's useful for the Ares vs 7990 comparison or something... but the single GPUs and SLI configurations perform differently with a much smoother output...
 

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Nope, because 780s SLI still scales well at 1080p. Its probably the bandwidth issue, 256 bit bus just doesn't like high res and 7970 and 780/titan pulls away at 1600p. Its well known these cards are already bandwidth starved at 1080p, OC on vram scales very well for "mid-range" keplers.

Since each GPU gets its own memory interface and renders its own frame, this should not and does not affect scaling.

I've looked through the results and in Metro Last Light, Grid 2, Remember Me and CoH 2 there are scaling issues. In the other games, everything is fine (85-90% scaling). So it seems that this is not a general issue.
 

SiliconWars

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It's not a scaling issue in CoH 2, that game just doesn't have the option for multi gpu and never will have.
 

boxleitnerb

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And yet the 7990 is faster than the 7970 GE. To an extent, AMD and Nvidia can force compatibility with AFR. In this title, Nvidia has disabled SLI intentionally though.
 
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Since each GPU gets its own memory interface and renders its own frame, this should not and does not affect scaling.

I've looked through the results and in Metro Last Light, Grid 2, Remember Me and CoH 2 there are scaling issues. In the other games, everything is fine (85-90% scaling). So it seems that this is not a general issue.

You didn't understand my point. The midrange keplers with 256bus struggle at 1600p due to lack of bandwidth, its already starved at 1080p. Look at the GE vs 770/680, at 1080p, the 770 is actually faster than 7970 GE, but its opposite at 1600p. Tahiti just scales better at higher res, and this is amplified in the 7990 vs 690 scenario. This doesn't occur for GK110 based skus, because it has ample bandwidth to cope and it performs well at 1080p and 1600p.

CoH2 doesn't have CF/SLI support because they used massed dynamic terrain deformation using compute, they could not do GPU <-> GPU compute load transfers. Relic has stated as such and no CF/SLI gains are possible with their implementation. So unless there's some magic driver fix that bypass the way the developers designed their engine..