GPU market stale?

[exdeath]

Anything new and next generation ever going to come out?

Seems that the GTX580 has been out forever.

nVidia sitting on their arse now with ATI "gone" ?

 

[nenforcer]

ATI is now AMD and both competitors are sitting on existing stock for the holidays before releasing the next generation in 1Q 2012.

 

[OVerLoRDI]

Need new cards. Got an upgrade itch, my 6970s are excellent, but we are at the limit of 40nm. Im excited for 28nm and the performance it brings.

/useless post

 

[JSt0rm]

the gpu market will continue to be tired. Until a new console comes out and games need power again.

 

[ChippyUK]

The PC is yet again missing a killer game to bring forth sales and as such most games are designed for consoles with a far lower spec. Only thing on the PC gaming-wise is the MMORPG genre but that is generally designed for low-medium range of computers.

I've got a Fermi 470 and haven't felt even an itch to upgrade yet. All games run well at 1920x1200 so I'm not sure what you can be missing out on (unless you have a multi-monitor setup). I usually upgrade every 2 generations but I'm not even sure if it's worth it atm....

Also I have a bad feeling about the next generation of consoles almost completely wiping out PC gaming.

 

[Red Hawk]

No killer game? There have been plenty of strong PC releases recently just this past year. Portal 2, Total War: Shogun 2, Crysis 2, Deus Ex: Human Revolution, The Witcher 2, and Dragon Age 2 all put a significant focus on the PC version and pushing what PC graphics can do (I do not believe that having a console version and putting effort into it automatically makes the PC version a "console port"). We have Battlefield 3 coming up, Arkham City, Skyrim, and hopefully Rage will have cutting-edge graphics once they get their act together and release the high-res textures. Plenty of reasons to upgrade. The reason it's taking a while for the next GPU generation to be released is that both AMD and Nvidia are having problems moving to 28 nm processes that allows smaller die sizes proportional to amount of transistors, making them more efficient and less expensive. They could -- and did, in AMD's case with the 6900/6800 series -- put the chip designs for the smaller process in the current 40 nm process, but they have to keep prices up. Making a more powerful chip at the current process would be too expensive so they're focusing on moving to the next process to cut costs and improve performance across the board.

And people have been all doom and gloom about consoles replacing PCs for more than a decade; I see no more reason to believe it now than there was then.

 

[peonyu]

No killer game? There have been plenty of strong PC releases recently just this past year. Portal 2, Total War: Shogun 2, Crysis 2, Deus Ex: Human Revolution, The Witcher 2, and Dragon Age 2 all put a significant focus on the PC version and pushing what PC graphics can do (I do not believe that having a console version and putting effort into it automatically makes the PC version a "console port"). We have Battlefield 3 coming up, Arkham City, Skyrim, and hopefully Rage will have cutting-edge graphics once they get their act together and release the high-res textures. Plenty of reasons to upgrade. The reason it's taking a while for the next GPU generation to be released is that both AMD and Nvidia are having problems moving to 28 nm processes that allows smaller die sizes proportional to amount of transistors, making them more efficient and less expensive. They could -- and did, in AMD's case with the 6900/6800 series -- put the chip designs for the smaller process in the current 40 nm process, but they have to keep prices up. Making a more powerful chip at the current process would be too expensive so they're focusing on moving to the next process to cut costs and improve performance across the board.

And people have been all doom and gloom about consoles replacing PCs for more than a decade; I see no more reason to believe it now than there was then.

All of those games could look 10x better as PC exclusives, hence gpu stagnation since consoles are holding back the "need" to upgrade video cards. If you look at Rage on the consoles vs PC it doesn't look immensely better on a PC like it should..And those consoles are using 6 yr old technology that was new when the Radeon x1900 series was out.

 

[pandemonium]

BF3 looks immensely better on PC compared to PS3 (I'm not sure about Xbox). There's your token PC game to drive hardware requirements up.

But I definitely agree. These console ports are really shooting the PC discrete market in the foot. :/

ATI is now AMD...

Internally ATI is still referred to as ATI; so us old-timers can still call it ATI if we want to!

 

[Red Hawk]

All of those games could look 10x better as PC exclusives, hence gpu stagnation since consoles are holding back the "need" to upgrade video cards. If you look at Rage on the consoles vs PC it doesn't look immensely better on a PC like it should..And those consoles are using 6 yr old technology that was new when the Radeon x1900 series was out.

The Witcher 2 and Shogun 2 are PC exclusives, and I forgot to mention Hard Reset. The one area that consoles may be holding back PCs is environment scale and animations, which can't be changed between versions. Texture detail and lighting effects can be scaled up to push PCs to their limits as long as the developer puts the effort in to make those textures and code for those effects. The fact that a large amount of developers don't do that doesn't mean they are somehow held back by consoles; the developers are just lazy at PC development and are giving the PC version the same LOD as the consoles.

If consoles were to suddenly disappear and developers were suddenly stuck with PCs, that wouldn't mean we would see a jump in maximum IQ across the board. Putting more detail into a game takes more work, money and resources on any platform. Frankly, I'm tired of people whining that consoles are bad for PC gaming. Get over it.

Whatever the case, consoles are not holding PC graphics hardware back. As I said, it's the move to a better manufacturing process, which is separate from gaming entirely. Even if we had dozens of games on the level of Crysis 2, The Witcher 2 and Battlefield 3 we'd still be stuck with what we have.

 

[3DVagabond]

I think we're being held back because "true Dx11" implementation would look like crap on both consoles and PC's with Dx9/10 hardware.

 

[pantsaregood]

BF3 looks immensely better on PC compared to PS3 (I'm not sure about Xbox). There's your token PC game to drive hardware requirements up.

But I definitely agree. These console ports are really shooting the PC discrete market in the foot. :/



Internally ATI is still referred to as ATI; so us old-timers can still call it ATI if we want to!

The ATI brand name ceased to exist with the HD 6000 series.

 

[biostud]

if you bought a 58xx series card when they came to market, you'd definitely gotten a card that have a very long lifespan

 

[smakme7757]

I think my GTX580 will be good for a while yet. I used to buy SLI and Xfire configurations, but its just not needed at the moment. The fastest single GPU has more than enough grunt for 1080p.

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[LOL_Wut_Axel]

Anything new and next generation ever going to come out?

Seems that the GTX580 has been out forever.

nVidia sitting on their arse now with ATI "gone" ?

I don't get what you mean? Ever since the Radeon HD 4000 series AMD has been on the lead overall.

You're not the superior manufacturer simply because you have the fastest single-GPU graphics card, especially if that one card has terrible power consumption and comes late. NVIDIA as of now has huge problems when it comes to die sizes and they're been left behind by AMD by a considerable amount when it comes to performance/watt. AMD is doing better overall when it comes to bang-for-buck, too (see Radeon HD 5670, 6670, 6770, 6850, 6870, 6950).

And if it comes to overall speed, then take into account the HD 6990 is a bit faster than the GTX 590, plus more efficient and reliable. It's very loud, though.

We'll see new AMD cards either at the very end of this year or very early next year. AMD will probably leverage their manufacturing process lead over NVIDIA again, and will focus on bringing overall balance right up to the high-end. That's how it's been for the past three years or so, and it's worked well.

The funny thing: AMD's GPU and CPU department couldn't be farther apart. AMD is well behind Intel when it comes to CPUs.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

BF3 looks immensely better on PC compared to PS3 (I'm not sure about Xbox). There's your token PC game to drive hardware requirements up.

But I definitely agree. These console ports are really shooting the PC discrete market in the foot. :/



Internally ATI is still referred to as ATI; so us old-timers can still call it ATI if we want to!

ATI no longer exists. It's AMD now, so people should get used to it.

 

[OS]

there was a crysis 2 tessellation article and what i found interesting was how much rendering was completely wasted.

as pointed out, when the software engines are mostly targeted at low performance platforms, hardware several times faster looks like its not going to get used.

 

[Concillian]

been pretty stale since HD5xxx release.

GTX 4xx was DoA due to heat / power consumption issues
HD6xxx was rehash and adding larger 69xx parts to make up for lack of 32nm
GTX 5xx wasfixing 4xx problems and now both vendors are more or less on equal ground.

Previously they'd add versions that just used more power. Now that 250W+ monsters exist They've pretty much maxed out that avenue. The old "monsters" like 7900GTX use less power than an "entry level" card now like an HD6850, they've already used up the runway on upping power requirements now that pretty much anyone with a Dell can't even squeeze in a 5770 without needing a PSU upgrade.

It's gonna be pretty stale from here on out. New generation with 28nm will have a month or two of excitement, then it will be 2 more years of *yawn* -- ooh, a rehash -- *yawn*. Physics is a bitch like that.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

There seems to be a lot of unobservant folks around here. This happens every year people! The next releases will be in 2012 first quarter. In the mean time, companies will release updated cards for niche markets ie. low profile, low power, silent etc.

 

[Zap]

Just because there are 3x as many people in the CPU forum as here in the GPU forum doesn't mean GPUs are stale.