Gov't insurance would allow coverage for abortion

[Patranus]

Health care legislation before Congress would allow a new government-sponsored insurance plan to cover abortions, a decision that would affect millions of women and recast federal policy on the divisive issue.

Federal funds for abortions are now restricted to cases involving rape, incest or danger to the health of the mother.

http://www.breitbart.com/artic...9SLQBG0&show_article=1

I really couldn't care less what people do on their own times but I do have a problem paying for someones poor life choice especially when it is not medically nessessary.

Hell, why not pay for any other elective surgery like breast implants?

 

[spidey07]

Fine by me.

 

[ElFenix]

if we're going to be paying for it anyway we might as well pay for it when it costs less than later.


yes, i'm a cold bastard.

 

[cubeless]

for the first time i have to say "this is not news"...

 

[umbrella39]

/care

 

[BarrySotero]

A fetus, an embryo, a senior citizen etc - Obama likes to kill stuff. Forget the birth certificate - we need proof he has a heart - or maybe a soul?

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: BarrySotero
A fetus, an embryo, a senior citizen etc - Obama likes to kill stuff. Forget the birth certificate - we need proof he has a heart - or maybe a soul?

/ebt

 

[OCGuy]

I dont see a problem with this. You should get one "oops", and then the 2nd comes with a free sterilization.

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: BarrySotero
A fetus, an embryo, a senior citizen etc - Obama likes to kill stuff. Forget the birth certificate - we need proof he has a heart - or maybe a soul?

abortion and euthenasia are cheaper than welfare and quality care.

The question I have is will the government provide quality healthcare to a child born with down syndrome or severe birth defect?

When will screening be required to check the health and genetic pre-dispositions of the unborn and if the results reveal something critical will and abortion be forced because thats the care that is paid for?

Don't troll these questions...I think they are legitmate considering the government will have limited resources and will need to find ways to deal with that.

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: OCguy
I dont see a problem with this. You should get one "oops", and then the 2nd comes with a free sterilization.

Sterilization was/is a favorite way of thinking of the Nazi's.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: OCguy
I dont see a problem with this. You should get one "oops", and then the 2nd comes with a free sterilization.

Sterilization was/is a favorite way of thinking of the Nazi's.

Oh Mike Godwin, how could you be so prophetic?

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: OCguy
I dont see a problem with this. You should get one "oops", and then the 2nd comes with a free sterilization.

Sterilization was/is a favorite way of thinking of the Nazi's.

Oh Mike Godwin, how could you be so prophetic?

Godwin's law doesn't apply to things that the Nazi's actually did that were atrocious, like forced sterilization, genocide, etc.

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: OCguy
I dont see a problem with this. You should get one "oops", and then the 2nd comes with a free sterilization.

Sterilization was/is a favorite way of thinking of the Nazi's.

Oh Mike Godwin, how could you be so prophetic?

Godwin's law doesn't apply to things that the Nazi's actually did that were atrocious, like forced sterilization, genocide, etc.

Maybe he doesn't believe the Holocaust happened.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: OCguy
I dont see a problem with this. You should get one "oops", and then the 2nd comes with a free sterilization.

Sterilization was/is a favorite way of thinking of the Nazi's.

Oh Mike Godwin, how could you be so prophetic?

Godwin's law doesn't apply to things that the Nazi's actually did that were atrocious, like forced sterilization, genocide, etc.

I dont see anyone advocating forced anything. If you want to be irresponsible and get pregnant when you dont want a child, I'm not going to keep paying for the abortions as a taxpayer. Just like UHC doesnt pay for liver transplants for an alcoholic.


See, what the UHC proponents dont understand, is that the government is going to have much more say in your private life once they are footing the bill for your healthcare.

 

[Pens1566]

Procedure is legal, why not?

 

[Patranus]

Originally posted by: Pens1566
Procedure is legal, why not?

Breast enlargement is also legal, who not cover that?

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: OCguy
I dont see a problem with this. You should get one "oops", and then the 2nd comes with a free sterilization.

Sterilization was/is a favorite way of thinking of the Nazi's.

Oh Mike Godwin, how could you be so prophetic?

Godwin's law doesn't apply to things that the Nazi's actually did that were atrocious, like forced sterilization, genocide, etc.

I dont see anyone advocating forced anything. If you want to be irresponsible and get pregnant when you dont want a child, I'm not going to keep paying for the abortions as a taxpayer. Just like UHC doesnt pay for liver transplants for an alcoholic.


See, what the UHC proponents dont understand, is that the government is going to have much more say in your private life once they are footing the bill for your healthcare.

Well then I'm confused. Approved procedures would be mostly 'free' anyway, so why is the sterilization on top of the abortion notable if the patient wanted it? In fact, a patient could get their tubes tied without the abortion I'm certain.

If you're trying to make some sort of statement about government control over your life, and you're doing it through the idea of sterilization after abortion, you're doing a really really bad job of making your point, because the example you are using is something that will never happen. Since I'm certain you already know this, why do it?

 

[Pens1566]

Originally posted by: Patranus

Originally posted by: Pens1566
Procedure is legal, why not?

Breast enlargement is also legal, who not cover that?

And also never medically necessary. I'd be surprised if any plan covered it. Nice strawman though zen ...

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally posted by: PatranusI really couldn't care less what people do on their own times but I do have a problem paying for someones poor life choice especially when it is not medically nessessary.

Hell, why not pay for any other elective surgery like breast implants?

Actually, paying for poor women to have abortions will result in a huge net SAVINGS of money. This is because when people have children they cannot afford, the government has to spend gobs of money on education for those children, health care for those children, child welfare services, and potentially criminal justice costs in the future.

So, if your concern is about saving government funds, you should not only support abortion coverage but also encouragement to poor women to have abortions.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally posted by: BarrySotero
A fetus, an embryo, a senior citizen etc - Obama likes to kill stuff. Forget the birth certificate - we need proof he has a heart - or maybe a soul?

But fetuses and embryos are not people because they do not have human personalities nor human level consciousness. Contrary to popular belief, this isn't a magic God-being that "breathes" a "soul" into the embryo at conception; it just doesn't exist.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally posted by: PatranusBreast enlargement is also legal, who not cover
that?

The big difference is that if women don't have breast enlargement surgery, it won't cost society hundreds of thousands of dollars as a result.

 

[BoberFett]

If we're going to get UHC, let's go all out and cover sterilization. I'd vote for that. Too many brats in this country anyway.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

*snip*

You get one screw-up if it is going to cause an elective procedure. For the next one, you either dont get the procedure, or the taxpayers make sure there is no chance for a third.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: Pens1566

Originally posted by: Patranus

Originally posted by: Pens1566
Procedure is legal, why not?

Breast enlargement is also legal, who not cover that?

And also never medically necessary. I'd be surprised if any plan covered it. Nice strawman though zen ...

When are elective abortions medically necessary? If the mother's health is in danger, then it isnt considered "elective."

 

[Pens1566]

Originally posted by: OCguy

Originally posted by: Pens1566

Originally posted by: Patranus

Originally posted by: Pens1566
Procedure is legal, why not?

Breast enlargement is also legal, who not cover that?

And also never medically necessary. I'd be surprised if any plan covered it. Nice strawman though zen ...

When are elective abortions medically necessary? If the mother's health is in danger, then it isnt considered "elective."

Who said anything about elective abortions being medically necessary? One procedure is always elective, the other not so much.