Governor Rick Perry begging the federal government for aid to fight wildfires

cirrrocco

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LOL.. pretty awesome. They should make a nice video and play it on national television
 

ElFenix

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no where in the article does it say that perry is asking for the cuts.
 

Linflas

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So OP do you think FEMA and Federal Disaster aid should be doled out based on political favor or based on actual disaster mitigation?
 

CallMeJoe

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If only Governor Perry had followed through with his threat to secede, he wouldn't have to worry about federal assistance.
 

Jaskalas

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If only Governor Perry had followed through with his threat to secede, he wouldn't have to worry about federal assistance.

Those tax dollars would be nicely spent putting out fires in Texas instead of bailouts for failed companies, aid to foreign countries, the continuation and expansion of wars, permanent unemployment benefits.

Yes, Texas would be better off without the burden and hostility of Washington DC.
 

woolfe9999

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So OP do you think FEMA and Federal Disaster aid should be doled out based on political favor or based on actual disaster mitigation?

Begs the question of whether there is any real evidence that political favor is involved, other than Perry's say so. I notice that he complains that Alabama has received disaster relief but not Texas, yet Alabama's governor is a staunch republican who IIRC also opposed Obamacare. So much for Mr. Perry's theory.
 

Thump553

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FEMA is and should be nonpolitical, but where a state is intentionally avoiding it's responsibilities why should the rest of the country foot the bill for their neglect aka "conservatism." Irresponsibility is irresponsibility.

The tea party is overdue for the moment when the little girl says "The emperor is wearing no clothes."
 

Jaskalas

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Begs the question of whether there is any real evidence that political favor is involved, other than Perry's say so. I notice that he complains that Alabama has received disaster relief but not Texas, yet Alabama's governor is a staunch republican who IIRC also opposed Obamacare. So much for Mr. Perry's theory.

You should see the number of Black people in Tuscaloosa and Birmingham. I'm sure if Dallas or Houston were on fire the President would care, but I'm taking a guess the fire victims involve rural areas where a lot of richer whiter folk escaped the inner city.

You could call the selective process of federal aid racist.
 

zinfamous

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You should see the number of Black people in Tuscaloosa and Birmingham. I'm sure if Dallas or Houston were on fire the President would care, but I'm taking a guess the fire victims involve rural areas where a lot of richer whiter folk escaped the inner city.

You could call the selective process of federal aid racist.

wat?
 

woolfe9999

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You should see the number of Black people in Tuscaloosa and Birmingham. I'm sure if Dallas or Houston were on fire the President would care, but I'm taking a guess the fire victims involve rural areas where a lot of richer whiter folk escaped the inner city.

You could call the selective process of federal aid racist.

Absolutely pathetic.
 

woolfe9999

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He's making the idiotic argument Obama's policy is based on anti-white racism.

Yes, and without a shred of evidence to back it up. Last I heard there were 3 million black people in wildfire ridden Texas. I do find it fascinating that he believes a black person will always prioritize the needs of other black people before anyone else. Apparently, that is how he perceives black people. Remember, Obama is a Black Man before he is POTUS or anything else, right?
 

PokerGuy

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Where is the evidence to support Perry actually cutting the budget for that agency? Also, states are forced to make tough choices if they are spending too much. Sometimes that means in times of real big events (like the tornados in bama), it needs assistance. Imagine that.
 

CycloWizard

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He and his fellow Texans paid for fire insurance from the federal government. The federal government has apparently thrown them under the bus. If the federal government was a health insurance provider and Texas was a poor person, you would immediately see and take his side.
 

zinfamous

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Yes, and without a shred of evidence to back it up. Last I heard there were 3 million black people in wildfire ridden Texas. I do find it fascinating that he believes a black person will always prioritize the needs of other black people before anyone else. Apparently, that is how he perceives black people. Remember, Obama is a Black Man before he is POTUS or anything else, right?

my only assumption is that Jakalas is throwing out the anti-"Bush hates black people--look at Katrina" "theory." Images of the 9th ward falling to chaos while Bush gets all cozy with senator Lott and promises to help save his gulf-side vacation mansion is a pretty sharp pill for many.

stupid for Dems or anyone to really make a whole lot out of that, but also something that the Bushies couldn't really ignore. Hurt pride, maybe, I don't know. silly assumption that what's good for the goose...
 

woolfe9999

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my only assumption is that Jakalas is throwing out the anti-"Bush hates black people--look at Katrina" "theory." Images of the 9th ward falling to chaos while Bush gets all cozy with senator Lott and promises to help save his gulf-side vacation mansion is a pretty sharp pill for many.

stupid for Dems or anyone to really make a whole lot out of that, but also something that the Bushies couldn't really ignore. Hurt pride, maybe, I don't know. silly assumption that what's good for the goose...

I might think slightly better of him if that is where this comes from. However, doubling down on fallacious reason does nothing to further intelligent discussion.
 

Thump553

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He and his fellow Texans paid for fire insurance from the federal government. The federal government has apparently thrown them under the bus. If the federal government was a health insurance provider and Texas was a poor person, you would immediately see and take his side.

Please describe exactly what insurance you are talking about or alternatively please stop lying. A serious discussion requires actual facts, not made up ones.
 

manimal

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You should see the number of Black people in Tuscaloosa and Birmingham. I'm sure if Dallas or Houston were on fire the President would care, but I'm taking a guess the fire victims involve rural areas where a lot of richer whiter folk escaped the inner city.

You could call the selective process of federal aid racist.

were you dropped on your head as a child repeatedly?
 

CycloWizard

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Please describe exactly what insurance you are talking about or alternatively please stop lying. A serious discussion requires actual facts, not made up ones.
NWCG
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NWCG provides a forum in which issues, both short and long term, involving standards and program implementation can be coordinated, discussed, and resolved. Serves as a clearinghouse and provides a forum for discussion of short and long-term wildland fire management issues and initiates actions to improve coordination and integration of state, tribal, and federal wildland fire programs while recognizing individual agency missions.
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FEMA’s mission is to support our citizens and first responders to ensure that as a nation we work together to build, sustain, and improve our capability to prepare for, protect against, respond to, recover from, and mitigate all hazards.
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NIFC Policies

Wildland fire recognizes no ownership or jurisdictional boundaries on the landscape; nor do the complex issues of fire management. As a result, perhaps nowhere is the practice of interagency and interdepartmental cooperation so prevalent and effective as in the nation's wildland fire community.

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As partners, we work together on fire management issues covering the spectrum from safety and planning, to science, preparedness, operations, strategy development, logistics, intelligence, emergency response, and more. We also collaborate on interagency strategies to manage wildfires, not only for single incidents but as a matter of policy.
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(1) reduce the Nation's losses caused by fire through better fire
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Wildfire suppression is built on a three-tiered system of support - the local area, one of the 11 geographic areas, and finally, the national level. When a fire is reported, the local agency and its firefighting partners respond. If the fire continues to grow, the agency can ask for help from its geographic area. When a geographic area has exhausted all its resources, it can turn to NICC at the National Interagency Fire Center (NIFC) for help in locating what is needed, from air tankers to radios to firefighting crews to incident management teams.
I'm sure there are plenty of other government agencies, but hopefully this tidbit of education will get the ball rolling in your search for truth(iness).
 
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zinfamous

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I might think slightly better of him if that is where this comes from. However, doubling down on fallacious reason does nothing to further intelligent discussion.

I agree, though I'd like to assume he was pointing it out in a cynical manner. There is no shortage of lefties that truly believe Bush hates black people.

though, I've seen some doozies come from this guy's posts...
 

PokerGuy

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Yes, and without a shred of evidence to back it up.

Hey, when Bush took too long to help out those in LA, it was because of racism (at least according to the left wing fringe). Why is it now unfair to assume the same for the lack of support for TX?
 

Thump553

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None of those are insurance nor has the State of Texas paid anything for them. Try again.

The issue here is should the federal government step in and pay wildfire fighting expenses when the state deliberately and intentionally is cutting it's funding for the same. I find it especially ironic that purported haters of big government come squealing for big government benefits.