Originally posted by: LumbergTech
we want to know what the hell happened, quit withholding videos etc..many american citizens died in these attacks and we want to know exactly what happened and how..
I completely agree. I don't really have a dog in the race either, I'm completely unaffiliated with the political parties who have a stake in the current conflict, I just want the truth and everything on the table. I'm an American, we deserve that and I'm going to be suspicious until they release those videos.
I see no reason why they'd be withheld at all.
It's like flipping the logic "why do you care if the gov't spys on you if you're not doing anything wrong?"
Why does the gov't care if they aren't doing anything wrong either?
Yeah I know, we're asking too much.
Originally posted by: Perry404
From my perspective the United States has hijacked the cause of Zionism for it's own devices. Zionism is merely to keep the state of Israel. The "I like Jews but hate Zionism" argument is a form of racism in disguise brought about often through misinformation. I assure you that the nation of Israel is no more evil than any other nation.
I just look at the facts of how many Palestinians they've killed, it doesnt appear to be "defense" as I would define it (no, my definition is not GWB's). I wholeheartedly disagree that anti-zionism = anti-Jew.
I simply believe that what we did post-WW2 was wrong. Why put Israel there? Germany did the crime, why should the Arabs pay with losing their land? Because the Brits had an empire there and we could push them around? Ah, so might IS right. What was done was wrong plain and simple. There are Jews who would agree with me on theological and moral grounds on this. Some believe there should be no Jewish nation.
Maybe Israel was created as dual purpose, as a Western proxy state, as you sort of allude to as "zionism being hijacked by the USA". I don't know. I think it probably works both ways, but theres no doubt the majority of Jews are zionists because my Jewish friends do not like me much knowing I refuse to support our current war for Israel.
Lets face it, we're fighting their "enemies" for them.
I do know if I look at the situation with a fair unbiased eye, the Arabs have every right to be pissed at Israel and the West.
We're wrong, they are right. I'd die for my lands too if China invaded the USA or even Canada. I'd want foreign powers to stay the hell out of our business.
Bush and guys who agree with him are lucky there's still true patriots around who will defend this country when it really IS under attack. They're going to have so many people demoralized after countless pointless wars that no one will recognize a true threat when it does come.
We've about hit the "crying wolf" point in the USA already.
What we can start doing, is the right thing by getting out of their lands, and pulling funds from Israel.
It's not right to charge the working American to give handouts to Israel and its not right to ask us to pay in blood to occupy Arab lands.
I'm a 100% European descent American, believe me I have no sympathies, nor am I even a Muslim. I'm a Methodist with strong beliefs. The truth is the truth though, as contrary as the truth might be to our nations actions have been in the past century. If I were to listen to the evangelical interpretation of scripture I should "support Israel". Uh huh. Thanks but no thanks falwell. I'll avoid WW3 for now if I can, but enjoy hell yourself for propogating death and destruction.
As an American, I'm highly distrustful of both sides in the middle eastern conflict and we should have stayed out of that region as much as possible. Pulling out immediately is in everybodys best interests. No more blood on American hands, we're going to go down in history as a bunch of spoiled brats.
It's not our oil! It's that simple.