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Government, what is in a job ? (About advocating jobs)

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I found this statement in the Nancy Pelosi is crazy thread.
And i feel i must explain something :

The problem is for economy to fuction is we must produce. Instead we are choking off production for a non producer and doing it on borrowed money. Why should an unemployed person get the product of a producing person? Why would a clerk load up groceries for a non producer? She won't for long once people figure out unemployment is the way to go. Don't work and still get your plumbing fixed, wait...why is that plumber still working? Oh he's not.

I think people do not see the benefits.
I notice a lot of people are only able to recognise short therm investments. A flaw that caused the recent global economic crisis. A crisis that happened because of the desire of short term returns.
People must see all these changes Obama and his team are trying to make as long term investments.

And as such you cannot change the whole world in 1 day. Nobody can. But what can be done is to lay the foundation to a more comfortable future. And i think Mr Obama and his group is trying to do that. But it is very hard to do so because of the political climate. I see it in every country, there will always be people who are heavily against any form of altruism and want it all for themselves. I say to those people : "You should be ashamed of your selfs. You are a sorry excuse for a human." "You are weak and whatever happened to you in the past is no justification for your current selfish way of thinking"

The whole idea is that one long term invests into the society. Now if all people invest into the society through the means of taxes, it is easier to get things done. Because if everybody pays, the amount that needs to be payed decreases with the amount of people paying for the desired goal. The idea is that you must not see it as black and white but that there is a grey area as well. A smooth transition so to speak and not a hard contrast.

The thought behind all this :
When people do not have work, they still have to pay bills and must be given the chance to find a job, even if that means encouraging them because they feel despaired or they do not know how. There is nothing wrong with having a government where the primary goal is to help people advance and in doing so help the country advance and in doing so, spreading the idea and helping the global situation advance to a more peaceful and clean future .

Here is the idea : The government unemployment program must function as a safety net. Not as a justification to stay unemployed. The government employment program must function as an re-educating program.

Step 1a:
The way you do this as a government, is to create work centers where the government works together with employment agencies. In these centers all information about available jobs is combined. These employment agencies provide means for companies, factories, groceries shops, farmers to advocate the availability of a job. With the internet, this is a lot easier.
Step 1b:
Afcourse, the employer always has the end decision to employ or not employ a person who needs work. And the employee always has the decision to refuse the job for a limited amount of reasonable logical reasons. The employer will provide a safe and secure working environment. The employee will provide the reasonable and logically best work possible and will always be on time.
Step 1c:
The employee and the employer always have to provide the government work center with the reason why the contract was canceled. This to create a database of possible problems and misbehaviour on the part of the employee or the employer. Such cases can then be transferred to another government agency to deal and restore quality and function. For example an employer that abuses his employees or creates dangerous work environments.
Or an employee that might have a psychological disability that person is not aware off.
In effect the whole situation is to invest in people to make them as best performing as possible. But the idea is that they must be willing to do so. It is the consensus that must be changed to create this way of thinking in the mind of people.
Step 2a:
In these centers re-education programs are provided to people.
If people are smart but never had the chance to go to proper college or education we must provide them a second chance.
Step 2b:
If there is no one with the proper education, the people must be selected and educated that as such they can perform the job within the required quality the employer expects.
Step 3a:
The unemployment check facility only has a limited lifetime. This means that for example one needs to find a job within for example 9 months. But since their is a government work center that combines companies, employment agencies, schools, colleges and possible employees, the chance of finding a job greatly increases. Even if it is just a temporary one for a few months. But even in this case, tax money is already returning into the system
Step 3b:
The only viable exception where the person is partially payed by his/hers new employer and partially payed by the government unemployment program :
1 That a person is re-educated while signing an agreement that the government check will change into a loan if a proper job is not found because of misbehaviour on the side of the employee.
2 That a person finds a job at a company, and works there for 3 days and gets an education 2 days in the week. (1 day work, 1 day education, 1 day work, 1 day education, 1 day work.)

For a large part of society, this will work ands what the government is then left with is a small group of people who are having psychological problems who should be helped, with the idea of returning to society. After this there will be a very small group where there is just no hope for. If all the healthy and sane people pay a little taxes, this small problem group can be given a home , food and be helped/studied by doctors in the psychological field and medical field to solve those issues. To create a society where people with an individual nature all have a common goal. That is to be altruistic and see every new day as a teacher.

I think this is a Chinese phrase :

" Sometimes the day is your friend. Sometimes the day is your teacher. "

These little steps greatly improve the self esteem of people in general.
With these steps the government provides people with hope and a solution to problems. At the same time, the consensus of the people changes slowly. Most of all these requirements already are present. But not combined. Because of the fundamental free market idea that everything must be free and be open to competition, there is never any optimization except for the share holders. This issue must be battled. Because it is no longer the case that people who work hard get rich. It is the case that people who scam better get rich. I think Ayn Rand must have been a troubled person for advocating greed instead of altruism(also to Alan Greenspan and a lot of rich and influential people during a timespan of the last 60 years or so). She ran from a country where the political system was based on greed and not on altruism. Because altruism comes from within the people and greed is forced upon the people. Sounds familiar to me when looking at the former USSR from which she ran from. Funny by the way that a large part of the people that proudly hate communism, are such fundamental believers in a concept that came from that very same communism. ^_^
There is a thing i always find wonderful and truly amazing : The decision to create silicon valley in service of improving the military of the USA. I think we need a similar change but then in the field of energy. I think this is already happening, but i sure would like to see other civilized countries adopt this model as well but then with creating a clean environment as the consensus. Frederick Terman and the Stanford university where the driving force behind silicon valley. We now need a similar driving force for the solving of the pollution of the earth and the future energy problems. This will create the necessary jobs needed and the level of knowledge must rise in general.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Terman

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Another great example is Heike Kamerlingh Onnes, he created a craftsman school where young people could learn how to make advanced technological machinery which then would be used to further advanced research. There are many many more people like these 2 examples who combined different solutions to solve different problems all at once./EDIT:

Afcourse, this all must benefit the people in general and always the military. Because there will out there always be people who do not want to work hard together for a common goal but want it all for themselves.


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The whole idea of the concept must be to increase the self esteem of the people. To keep the people busy, while increasing the awareness of the surroundings and the effects decision making has and not getting frustrated or feeling useless. And to create an environment that essentially pays for it self. A closed circle environment. If there is profit which will happen if everybody play their part, this must be used as a savings account for difficult times such as when a natural disaster occurs. And natural disasters have this mean tendency to always occur sooner or later.
 
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Are you 14 years old?

I can tell you're a progressive to the core. The basis of progressivism is that society can be micro-managed for the better. Micro-managed to suit the ideals of the progressive. There is not one new and unique idea put forth in your whole post. Why do you think a progressive utopia does not yet exist? Because you hadn't shared your thoughts yet?
 
Are you 14 years old?

I can tell you're a progressive to the core. The basis of progressivism is that society can be micro-managed for the better. Micro-managed to suit the ideals of the progressive. There is not one new and unique idea put forth in your whole post. Why do you think a progressive utopia does not yet exist? Because you hadn't shared your thoughts yet?

As you would have read when you actually did read my post, i have proposed nothing new. Just existing idea's combined in a different way.

I expected such responses already and here is mine :
Some of those idea's work very well. I have seen them working right here in the country where i live. People can get welfare checks but only for a limited amount of time. The only reason one does not have to work is when someone has a serious disability that renders them incapable of working. I know all this because the company i worked for layed me off for the wrong reasons right before declaring bankruptcy. As such i ended up in such a government work center and learning of how it works. And it works very well in helping people to find a job. Nationality or ethnics are not an issue.

But to be honest, it was my own searching for jobs outside the government work center that gave me my present job. And although i fully admit i can be a bit eccentric occasionally, I work hard and have no problem in spending personal time solving problems at work or increasing my knowledge and becoming more valuable at work.

I saw some room for improvements and that is what i have written down here. So you see. It works because i am advocating something that has been in use for years but needs according to myself some minor modifications to increase the chance of finding people jobs and get them to work.

I see with you the same problem i always see with some people. You only look from your lonely perspective.


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Forgot one thing :
You could say i am progressive.
You could also say i am conservative.
You could say i am a liberal.
You could also say i am in favour of socialism.
You could say i am in favour of democracy although i do understand that sometimes short reigns of dictatorships are needed only to be later replaced once again by democracy.
But i do not like objectivism, communism or politics based on false religions or dogma's where one rules above all.

I am fond of a free market but not fond of a free market with out control.
Hospitals, health care, energy, transport, communication and some forms of the bank business should be under strict control( not meaning censorship but quality control) to make sure the society keeps working properly since these are the heart and veins of a society.

As i once heard in a movie and have always been waiting to use :
"I am complicated."
 
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Are you 14 years old?

I can tell you're a progressive to the core. The basis of progressivism is that society can be micro-managed for the better. Micro-managed to suit the ideals of the progressive. There is not one new and unique idea put forth in your whole post. Why do you think a progressive utopia does not yet exist? Because you hadn't shared your thoughts yet?

You talking about progressivism is like Stalin talking about Democracy. And, your 'argument' is too simplistically wrong to bother with, ironic given your saying that about his post.

Is democracy useless and wrong because there isn't a utopia with it? The lack of 'utopia' is not proof that progressivism, which you do not come close to understanding, is wrong.

How is that Libertarian Utopia coming? That Conservative Utopia? You should be ashamed not to wipe out that worthless post, and moreso to have attacked him with it.
 
You talking about progressivism is like Stalin talking about Democracy. And, your 'argument' is too simplistically wrong to bother with, ironic given your saying that about his post.

Is democracy useless and wrong because there isn't a utopia with it? The lack of 'utopia' is not proof that progressivism, which you do not come close to understanding, is wrong.

How is that Libertarian Utopia coming? That Conservative Utopia? You should be ashamed not to wipe out that worthless post, and moreso to have attacked him with it.

Oh, do not worry about boomerang.

It is all intended to make people think. But there is one issue. People must be willing to use their brain. And you and i know, that the brain is not much different then the muscles : Use it or loose it.

When someone is unhealthy fat because of no exercise and even taking the car for a 1 mile trip to the groceries shop, sitting on the couch all day watching crap from Bill O'reilly.
The muscles deteriorate as does the brain...
I see a disturbing trend. 😱

Oh by the way, for those who have something against a normal amount of skin fat this is healthy and it is a great song too :
()🙂
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCWEG7VUtEw
 
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