Government VS pharmacies over plan B and religion

[JSt0rm]

Kinda like a democracy, where the majority have rule over the minority.

man you really dont get it. home schooled?

 

[Texashiker]

wouldn't it be discrimination to sell it to person X but not person Y?

There was a case recently where a pharmacist refused to sale the morning after or plan B pill to a male.

The pharmacist thought the guy was going to give it to his girlfriend without her knowledge (put it in a drink), or give it to the lady after raping her.

After a quick google search I found the article

http://www.fox19.com/story/16460368/pharmacy-refuses-to-sell-plan-b-to-man

man you really dont get it. home schooled?

You're the one to be talking, you live in la la land.

 

[AznAnarchy99]

There was a case recently where a pharmacist refused to sale the morning after or plan B pill to a male.

The pharmacist thought the guy was going to give it to his girlfriend without her knowledge (put it in a drink), or give it to the lady after raping her.

After a quick google search I found the article

http://www.fox19.com/story/16460368/pharmacy-refuses-to-sell-plan-b-to-man

Wow what a retarded reason. Why not ban the sale of condoms to the guy? He'll probably use that to rape a woman and avoid leaving dna evidence behind.

 

[abaez]

There was a case recently where a pharmacist refused to sale the morning after or plan B pill to a male.

The pharmacist thought the guy was going to give it to his girlfriend without her knowledge (put it in a drink), or give it to the lady after raping her.

After a quick google search I found the article

http://www.fox19.com/story/16460368/pharmacy-refuses-to-sell-plan-b-to-man

What does this have to do with anything? The pharmacist was obviously in the wrong and went against company policy as the article states. Same as they are in the wrong when not wanting to sell to someone on religious grounds.

 

[Fern]

The main problem I see with pharmacists being able to opt out of selling these drugs is that in some parts of the country it would make Plan B completely unavailable to women.

Unless every pharmacy in your state doesn't carry it... Which is a real possibility both due to pharmacists' religious objections, and public pressure.

You have a very bizarre (and factually inaccurate) view of "some parts" of this country.

Fern

 

[Fern]

I don't think pharmacist should be required to carry anything. It's their business, let them carry what they want. I don't where you even need a religious objection.

But it seems to me those with a religious objective should use a little common sense. If a customer come in wanting that pill how about just saying "sorry, we're all out" instead of launching into your religious objections?

Fern

 

[Texashiker]

What does this have to do with anything?

I was answering a question posted by Darwin333

 

[Throckmorton]

You have a very bizarre (and factually inaccurate) view of "some parts" of this country.

Fern

Having lived in some very different parts of America, I think my assessment is pretty accurate.

In many small towns there is only one pharmacy. If that pharmacy is staffed or run by a person with a religious objection... what do you do?

This isn't like some sore throat lozenges or Viagra. This pill could be the difference between having your rapist's baby, or having to abort it, or not.

 

[zinfamous]

if your religion conflicts with your job of serving the public, then you should do the ethical thing and choose one or the other.

I'm tired of this "My view in one world conflicts with my one view in a another! I can't let the government force me to conflict with one!!"

No, you're right. It shouldn't come to that--if you were an honest and ethical person in the first place.

 

[zinfamous]

Agreed.

Can't have it both ways. If a Pharmacist's religious views affect the bottom line of a business, the business should have the right to not hire or fire the employee on those grounds.

I can't go to work tomorrow and say my religion forbids me from touching a computer ever again and then expect to keep my job. Why should a pharmacist?

it's really quite simple.

amazing how certain groups can get away with claims of discrimination where there are none.

 

[xBiffx]

Having lived in some very different parts of America, I think my assessment is pretty accurate.

In many small towns there is only one pharmacy. If that pharmacy is staffed or run by a person with a religious objection... what do you do?

This isn't like some sore throat lozenges or Viagra. This pill could be the difference between having your rapist's baby, or having to abort it, or not.

Talk about blowing things way out of proportion. If you have been raped, you should be seeking a hospital and then law enforcement, not the pharmacist. The hospital will dispense this for you in that case, small town pharmacist not required. Talk about chicken little.

 

[TheVrolok]

Pharmacies should not be forced to carry particular drugs, however, if the pharmacy does have the drug on hand the pharmacist should not be allowed to pick and choose who he gives the drugs to.

There have been instances of pharmacists refusing to fill birth control prescriptions for teenagers, for example.

This. Dispensing properly proscribed medications or medications available OTC are an expected part of the job. Religious objections should not enter into it.

Agree with these, if the pharmacy wishes not to carry it, fine. Once the pharmacy does carry it, however, religious objections of the individual dispensing should not enter into the process. Don't want to risk dispensing it? Do not work at that pharmacy.

 

[her209]

Imagine if you were a Muslim working in the food service industry and you refused to serve a customer a dish that contained pork in it because you're religion forbids you from eating it. Or if you were a Hindu refusing to serve dishes with beef.

 

[Fern]

Having lived in some very different parts of America, I think my assessment is pretty accurate.

In many small towns there is only one pharmacy. If that pharmacy is staffed or run by a person with a religious objection... what do you do?

This isn't like some sore throat lozenges or Viagra. This pill could be the difference between having your rapist's baby, or having to abort it, or not.

I live in a small town, population 12,000.

We have at least a half-dozen pharmacies.

Then there's always Walmart.

If you live in a town so small it has only 1 pharmacy you're already used to driving to get things.

I looked up the pill, says take it within 5 days.

I don't see a problem.

Fern

 

[Throckmorton]

Talk about blowing things way out of proportion. If you have been raped, you should be seeking a hospital and then law enforcement, not the pharmacist. The hospital will dispense this for you in that case, small town pharmacist not required. Talk about chicken little.

And what if the hospital is Catholic? Can the police give you the morning after pill?

There's nothing chicken little about this. It's just reality. My friend was raped and she went to a pharmacy for Plan B. Often a rape victim is afraid or ashamed to go to the police or a hospital. That's especially true in small towns, which is exactly where these religious exemptions would be more common.

 

[piasabird]

Just say "I am sorry, ware out of that right now, I can get it for you next week!"

 

[Fern]

Imagine if you were a Muslim working in the food service industry and you refused to serve a customer a dish that contained pork in it because you're religion forbids you from eating it. Or if you were a Hindu refusing to serve dishes with beef.

If you refused to serve pork, or even all meats, what kind of dumb@ss would seek a job at a restaurant that served those?

My position is that a pharmacist who owns his or her business should be allowed to choose what products they carry. A pharmacist who is an employee should dispense the products that the owner chooses to sell. If the employee doesn't like it, they should get another job.

I think your analogy is more akin to forcing a Muslim restaurant owner to carry pork on his/her menu, and I don't agree with that either.

Fern

 

[ch33zw1z]

It shouldn't be forced. But it the pharmacy does carry it, religious objections cannot interfere with dispensing.

 

[Fern]

And what if the hospital is Catholic? Can the police give you the morning after pill?

There's nothing chicken little about this. It's just reality. My friend was raped and she went to a pharmacy for Plan B. Often a rape victim is afraid or ashamed to go to the police or a hospital. That's especially true in small towns, which is exactly where these religious exemptions would be more common.

Let's stipulate your story is true: Woman raped, town has only 1 pharmacy and they don't carry this pill.

A rare and isolated instance of inconvenience means we force people all across the nation to dishonor their religious convictions?

I say inconvenience because unless she was in Antarctica there was another pharmacy well within reach.

I've driven completely across the whole frickin country in 5 days.

Fern

 

[xBiffx]

And what if the hospital is Catholic? Can the police give you the morning after pill?

There's nothing chicken little about this. It's just reality. My friend was raped and she went to a pharmacy for Plan B. Often a rape victim is afraid or ashamed to go to the police or a hospital. That's especially true in small towns, which is exactly where these religious exemptions would be more common.

Again, the pharmacist isn't going to protect you from being ashamed. People in that small town will find out one way or the other. You have done nothing but provide very limited circumstances and excuses for a pharmacist not providing a medication. I guess in your world bad shit happens so perfectly that we need to provide for the exception to every rule.

 

[Throckmorton]

Again, the pharmacist isn't going to protect you from being ashamed. People in that small town will find out one way or the other. You have done nothing but provide very limited circumstances and excuses for a pharmacist not providing a medication. I guess in your world bad shit happens so perfectly that we need to provide for the exception to every rule.

I'm trying to convey that this isn't some trivial drug like Robitussin or a sore throat lozenge.

 

[xBiffx]

I'm trying to convey that this isn't some trivial drug like Robitussin or a sore throat lozenge.

I think that is well understood and no one is saying otherwise. You failed at making a real argument for pharmacist not having a say in what they dispense.

 

[her209]

If you refused to serve pork, or even all meats, what kind of dumb@ss would seek a job at a restaurant that served those?

My position is that a pharmacist who owns his or her business should be allowed to choose what products they carry. A pharmacist who is an employee should dispense the products that the owner chooses to sell. If the employee doesn't like it, they should get another job.

I think your analogy is more akin to forcing a Muslim restaurant owner to carry pork on his/her menu, and I don't agree with that either.

Fern

Here, I found this article from 2010:

http://www.thenewstribune.com/2010/11/05/1410620/board-oks-drug-referrals.html

The existing rule allows an individual pharmacist to pass a patient to a co-worker, as long as the pharmacy fills the prescription.

Sooooo... a pharmacist shouldn't be allowed to refuse to fill the prescription since the pharmacy carries the drug and should seek employment elsewhere right?

 

[Throckmorton]

Wait, why even have a pharmacist dispense the drug? Put it on the shelves.

 

[lothar]

Here, I found this article from 2010:

http://www.thenewstribune.com/2010/11/05/1410620/board-oks-drug-referrals.html



Sooooo... a pharmacist shouldn't be allowed to refuse to fill the prescription since the pharmacy carries the drug and should seek employment elsewhere right?

At issue is a rule the board set in 2007 with Gregoire’s support. It requires pharmacies to dispense all legal drugs.
That prompted a lawsuit from the owners of Ralph’s Thriftway in Olympia, which out of moral opposition doesn’t stock Plan B, the morning-after contraceptive.

You missed this little gem in your article.
Why should any business be coerced and forced to carry a particular product?