Government shutdown looms over ObamaCare

Ryan

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For Republicans, it's looking like any budget or resolutions will have to include provisions that will defund the Affordable Care Act. Obviously this is a non-starter for Democrats and Obama - any such action could not pass the Senate, let alone the president's desk.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/312727-shutdown-looms-over-obamacare

ObamaCare is at the center of a rapidly escalating fight that threatens to shut the government down this fall.

Senate Republicans, including two members of the leadership, are coalescing around a proposal to block any government funding resolution that includes money for the implementation of the 2010 Affordable Care Act.

But such a move is a nonstarter for President Obama and congressional Democrats. Republicans have tried this maneuver in Obama’s first term, only to back off later to the chagrin of Tea Party leaders.
This time, GOP lawmakers are emboldened by problems plaguing the administration’s ObamaCare implementation. But that zeal could put Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) and Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) in a tough spot. Both leaders have downplayed previous talk of shuttering the government.
In the House, 64 Republicans have signed onto a letter pressing Boehner not to bring any legislation funding ObamaCare to the floor.
Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah), the leader of the Senate effort, predicts the vast majority of the Senate Republican Conference will back his plan, giving him enough votes to sustain a filibuster of a stopgap spending measure.

“This is the last stop before ObamaCare fully kicks in on Jan. 1 of next year for us to refuse to fund it,” Lee said Monday on “Fox and Friends.”
“If Republicans in both houses simply refuse to vote for any continuing resolution that contains further funding for further enforcement of ObamaCare, we can stop it. We can stop the individual mandate from going into effect,” he said.
“We have 64 of my colleagues on this letter and we’re asking the leadership not to bring anything to the floor that has funding for ObamaCare in it,” said Rep. Mark Meadows (R-N.C.), who is spearheading the House effort.

Congress in recent years has regularly passed stopgap spending measures known as “continuing resolutions” to keep the federal government running beyond the end of the fiscal year. This has been necessary because lawmakers now routinely fail to finish their appropriations work by the Sept. 30 deadline.

This year, the expiration of laws appropriating government funding coincides with the start of open enrollment for healthcare exchanges set up by the Affordable Care Act.

Several influential members of the Republican conference are backing the controversial tactic, including Senate Republican Whip John Cornyn (Texas) and Sen. John Thune (S.D.), the second- and third-ranking members of the GOP leadership, respectively.

Sen. Marco Rubio (Fla.), who is widely considered a front-runner for the Republican presidential nomination in 2016, has also signed on.

Earlier this month, he spoke out in favor of holding hostage the government operation funds to freeze the rollout of the controversial healthcare law at a breakfast sponsored by Concerned Veterans for America. Those remarks were viewed as an attempt to appease the GOP base after he helped shepherd a controversial immigration bill through the Senate.

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) criticized his colleagues’ strategy in a Friday interview with conservative talk show host Michael Medved.

“Some of my Republican colleagues are already saying we won’t raise the debt limit unless there’s repeal of ObamaCare. I’d love to repeal ObamaCare, but I promise you that’s not going to happen on the debt limit,” McCain told Medved, according to The Washington Post.

“So some would like to set up another one of these shutdown-the-government threats. And most Americans are really tired of those kinds of shenanigans here in Washington,” he said.

Republicans have been riding a wave of political momentum on the healthcare issue since the beginning of the month, when the Obama administration announced it would delay the requirement for employers with 50 or more workers to provide health coverage.

Emboldened House Republicans voted last week to delay the employer mandate as well as the law’s requirement that individuals buy coverage. The bills split Democrats as nearly two dozen voted for both measures.
Some Republicans, including McCain, however, fear the party may be in danger of overreaching.

“I’ve been concerned that there could be a government shutdown and I was wondering who’s going to take the blame for it, and now we know. Republicans have stepped up to the plate,” said Scott Lilly, who was serving as a Democratic aide on the House Appropriations Committee when a spending fight caused a government shutdown in 1995.

Republicans took most of the public blame over the last shutdown, creating momentum for former President Bill Clinton’s 1996 reelection.
A senior GOP aide noted that 127 Republicans signed a similar letter to Boehner last year urging him not to advance legislation funding healthcare reform.

But conservatives argue the implementation of the law will be an economic disaster and aggressive tactics are needed to avert it.

“You want to delay implementation? Don’t fund it,” Rubio said at the July 11 breakfast. “If we have a six-month continuing resolution, we should defund the implementation of ObamaCare by those six months … I will not vote for a continuing resolution unless it defunds ObamaCare.”

An aide to Lee said Republicans won’t be blamed for a shutdown because they will offer legislation to fund all other government operations except for those necessary to establish the new healthcare law.

“This is going to be the litmus test of whether you do or do not support ObamaCare,” said Brian Phillips, Lee’s spokesman.

Lee’s proposal could become an issue in Republican primary races next year.
“Any Republican who votes to give Obama a single penny to implement ObamaCare is part of the problem and should be defeated. Any Republican who votes to fund ObamaCare should have a primary challenger,” said Matt Hoskins, executive director of the Senate Conservatives Fund, a fundraising group that supports conservative Republican challengers.

McConnell, seeking to become majority leader in 2015, wants to spare his party from getting blamed for a shutdown. But he also has to worry about his 2014 primary race. Matt Bevin, a businessman living in Louisville, is expected to announce his bid this week.

“[It’s] gonna be fun to watch,” a senior Democratic aide said. “For now, we’ll just stand back and let them debate this amongst themselves.”

Another senior Democratic aide said: “ObamaCare is working and is here to stay — unlike some members of the Republican caucus if they keep dragging the country from manufactured crisis to manufactured crisis.”
 

thraashman

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And?

Why is it that the GOP is the only party expected to compromise?

So you'd be fine if the Democrats required compromise was a national gay marriage act that superseded state law or a national standardization of abortion laws that set them equal to the most liberal of state abortion laws act that superseded state law?

Because in the end the GOP isn't negotiating a "you get your way if we get our way" they're negotiating with "we get our way OR THE COUNTRY FUCKING FAILS".
 

Thump553

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The GOP has already "accomplished" some forty or so useless votes to abolish the Affordable Care Act. Are you expecting those skunks to change their stripes? God forbid the average US citizen not on Medicare and not provided health insurance by a corporate employer be able to get decent and maybe even affordable health insurance.

Makes you wonder who those clowns think they are working for?

I am totally for a defunding of the Affordable Health Care Act-so long as the tax deduction for corporate provided health care and Medicare are both eliminated at the same time. Treat all citizens equal if you want to screw some of us. Make all of us (including Congress and their gold plated plan) pay for their actual health care costs and you'll see real reform fast. Remember how fast the GOP Congress moved on fixing the sequester caused airline delays when it affected their personal recess travel plans?
 

glenn1

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Republicans can simply stand back and allow Obamacare to implode on its own without this defunding stunt, no need to give Obama and Democrats an excuse for its failure.
 

PokerGuy

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Sounds like a win win to me. obummercare gets defunded, or the government shuts down for a while.
 

fskimospy

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Republicans can simply stand back and allow Obamacare to implode on its own without this defunding stunt, no need to give Obama and Democrats an excuse for its failure.

That's a risky move for them. To me it seems quite likely that Obamacare will be successful, and if that turns out to be the case the Republicans are screwed.

There was a similar freakout from the right when Medicare was passed back in the day, now it's one of the most popular government programs in existence. The party that described it as creeping communism now is regularly forced to pledge their fealty and love for Medicare. Furthermore, if Obamacare succeeds then all of the hysterical reactions from the right will look even sillier in retrospect.

Sadly, their best electoral bet is probably to try and sabotage it at every turn. They can't let it succeed if they want to win more elections. Sure that's a pretty reprehensible strategy to follow, but I'm confident that's what they will do.
 

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As much as I wish they would, the Republicans aren't going to let the govt shutdown.

That is, they'll cave or come up with some bipartisan compromise in which everyone gets screwed.
 

sunzt

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Deja vu all over again. None of these hold up the budget/debt ceiling confrontations have gone well for the GOP so why do they expect something different now?

Only losers will be GOP at the end of this one.
 

Jaskalas

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Republicans can simply stand back and allow Obamacare to implode on its own without this defunding stunt, no need to give Obama and Democrats an excuse for its failure.

I agree, and can explain their motives by a delusion. The need to act. They have the power to fight this way, and so they feel they need to. Not looking at the big picture.
 

Fern

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The ACA has some significant concessions compared to the national single payer system Obama wanted.

That's because the Obama couldn't get more than about 24 Dem senators to support a SPS. Had nothing to do with concessions to Repubs.

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I'd be satisfied if the Repubs just managed to get a delay for individuals like employers got.

Fern
 

etrigan420

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They should just vote to repeal it...again.

You know what they say, "the 40th time's the charm!"
 

Balt

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They're wasting their time, and they'll look gutless/incompetent when they cave.

Obama isn't going to get repeal or defund his "crowning achievement", and most people understand this, even if they hate it.
 

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werepossum

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Deja vu all over again. None of these hold up the budget/debt ceiling confrontations have gone well for the GOP so why do they expect something different now?

Only losers will be GOP at the end of this one.
Agreed. The Pubbies cannot win this one any more than they could have won the last two, and it's a stupid stunt to try.
 

Jhhnn

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Oh, well there you have it, as long as Paul Krugman says it's so then it has to be truth. "Conservatives should be terrified about this legislation" hah, show me one poll of Americans in support of the ACA and you may have something...

If Righties are so certain that the ACA will fail, why don't they just let it?

That's what Dems did over the whole Terry Schiavo fracas, for example- just stand back, watch the opposition charge right into a faceplant...

And your reference to public opinion is more than a little dishonest. I remember when public sentiment was high for the invasion of Iraq, too... when anybody not on board with the Patriot act was a Terrrarist Sympathizer, and when the flimflam of the "Ownership Society" was the greatest boon to the country, evar!
 

werepossum

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Perhaps because they believe if/when it fails, the result is going to be exceptionally painful for the entire country?
If Obamacare fails it will indeed be very painful for the whole country. If Obamacare succeeds it will indeed be very painful for the Republican Party. So the one thing the Pubbies know for sure about Obamacare is that it is going to bring the pain. They have just not figured out that shutting down the government is a PR win for the Dems and thus also painful.
 

hans030390

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And?

Why is it that the GOP is the only party expected to compromise?

Because they're the only ones unwilling to compromise...?

Anyone who thought the implementation and first years of ACA would be smooth, easy, and cheap is naive and delusional. But a rough start is only made worse when people start throwing tantrums and doing everything they can to make the implementation fail.

Wouldn't it be nice if people, you know, worked together? Too bad both sides fuel the opposite behavior.
 
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K1052

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I'm skeptical they'll actually do it. Enough people in the Republican party don't want to turn a defeat into a rout.
 

rudder

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Republicans can simply stand back and allow Obamacare to implode on its own without this defunding stunt, no need to give Obama and Democrats an excuse for its failure.


That's a risky move for them. To me it seems quite likely that Obamacare will be successful, and if that turns out to be the case the Republicans are screwed.

There was a similar freakout from the right when Medicare was passed back in the day, now it's one of the most popular government programs in existence. The party that described it as creeping communism now is regularly forced to pledge their fealty and love for Medicare. Furthermore, if Obamacare succeeds then all of the hysterical reactions from the right will look even sillier in retrospect.

Sadly, their best electoral bet is probably to try and sabotage it at every turn. They can't let it succeed if they want to win more elections. Sure that's a pretty reprehensible strategy to follow, but I'm confident that's what they will do.


Glenn, I was going to say that is what the Republicans should do. But as you see with the attitudes here... no matter the reason for obamacare's failure the republicans will get the blame. The democratic party has the art of propaganda mastered and it does not hurt to have most of the MSM media on your side.

Medicare... yes it is very popular... unless you are a doctor or you are the guy that has to figure out how to pay for it all. The republicans have to support it lest they lose a large number of votes. That is how the game is played. How many ads from this last election cycle showed a republican tossing a grandmother in a wheelchair off of a cliff (or ideas similar to that effect). So Medicare stays untouched... doctors get less money in medicare reimbursements and the Fed keeps buying bonds.

As we see with Detroit... liberals know how to run shit... until the money runs out.