Government FTW. NYS paying 155 workers to guard 6 juveniles.

[Hacp]

State records show that 155 public employees are assigned to the boys section at Tryon. They oversee a total of six young men, lodged in a place that few people believe should exist anymore, and that is scheduled to be shut down by the end of the year.

So as of Tuesday, with six young people living there, here are some of the jobs still budgeted at Tryon: 11 cooks, 1 food manager, 6 keyboard specialists, 5 nurses, 1 motor mechanic, 7 teachers, 1 teaching assistant, 4 vocational instructors, 3 recreation specialists, 81 youth division aides and 2 calculations clerks.
Also, one “principal accounting clerk.”

Two governors ago, the state promised public employee unions that it would give one year’s notice before shutting down juvenile detention centers or adult prisons.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/09/nyregion/09about.html?ref=nyregion
Don't you just love government efficiency? I feel giddy seeing all that taxpayer money being put to good use.

Also, I'm glad all those hardworking union members are trying their hardest to watch over these 6 kids. Backbreaking work I tell you.

 

[palehorse]

LOL! wth do those idiots do all day, every day?! wow... so f'n ridiculous.

 

[Genx87]

Think of the kids!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anyways this "creates" jobs lmao

 

[MotF Bane]

And yet when one offers the solution of "cut spending", the answer comes back "where". This is your answer.

 

[Vette73]

Yet another BS thread from Hacp who would have thought. Here is the REST OF THE STORY...

The state signed a contract that they give employees 1 year notice. Many people have been moved out of the facility, to close it down, but since contract makes them staff it for 1 year they have to be paid for the year even if no one was there.
So this is not the norm, just what happens when they get ready to shut it down and live up to all agreed to contracts.

But why let a little thing like facts get in the way of Faux Rage

 

[HumblePie]

Yet another BS thread from Hacp who would have thought. Here is the REST OF THE STORY...

The state signed a contract that they give employees 1 year notice. Many people have been moved out of the facility, to close it down, but since contract makes them staff it for 1 year they have to be paid for the year even if no one was there.
So this is not the norm, just what happens when they get ready to shut it down and live up to all agreed to contracts.

But why let a little thing like facts get in the way of Faux Rage

LOL Hacp was pwned. Why is there 6? because there was more but they were moved out of there already. Those are all that remain and the contract is still in effect for the remaining workers. Yah, the contract could have been done up better, but shit like this happens. Hell, there were several people in the ATOT forum a few years back talking about the closures of some of the car industry plants. With them being union workers on a contract, they still had to show up and get paid for several months to do nothing. Their sections had shut down and they had no work to do but still had to be paid for being there for the contract.

Yah, some contracts like that are dumb, but it happens equally in the private as well as government sector. No different than you signing up for a 2 year contract for services for satellite TV for example. 8 months in you decide you don't want it and don't use it anymore but that does not mean you are done with the contract and have to stop paying the bill. Same thing here. People got hired for a contract that is going away but until it does, the contract must be fulfilled.

 

[Genx87]

LOL Hacp was pwned. Why is there 6? because there was more but they were moved out of there already. Those are all that remain and the contract is still in effect for the remaining workers. Yah, the contract could have been done up better, but shit like this happens. Hell, there were several people in the ATOT forum a few years back talking about the closures of some of the car industry plants. With them being union workers on a contract, they still had to show up and get paid for several months to do nothing. Their sections had shut down and they had no work to do but still had to be paid for being there for the contract.

Yah, some contracts like that are dumb, but it happens equally in the private as well as government sector. No different than you signing up for a 2 year contract for services for satellite TV for example. 8 months in you decide you don't want it and don't use it anymore but that does not mean you are done with the contract and have to stop paying the bill. Same thing here. People got hired for a contract that is going away but until it does, the contract must be fulfilled.

So the govt signs a 1 year contract and closes the facility. You were saying about efficiency??????

 

[JockoJohnson]

So there is faux outrage over the faux outrage in this thread. I agree about them honoring the contract and that this happens in private industry as well. However, I can choose to not buy the product of a company so stupid as to setup inefficient contracts. I can't choose to not pay taxes to these fucking morons in the government.

 

[CPA]

Hey, don't include the accounting clerk. Accountants are always the ones to lock the doors.

 

[nobodyknows]

So there is faux outrage over the faux outrage in this thread. I agree about them honoring the contract and that this happens in private industry as well. However, I can choose to not buy the product of a company so stupid as to setup inefficient contracts. I can't choose to not pay taxes to these fucking morons in the government.

You can vote, but instead you go with the faux outrage about the faux outrage over the faux outrage.

 

[her209]

 

[Hacp]

Yet another BS thread from Hacp who would have thought. Here is the REST OF THE STORY...

The state signed a contract that they give employees 1 year notice. Many people have been moved out of the facility, to close it down, but since contract makes them staff it for 1 year they have to be paid for the year even if no one was there.
So this is not the norm, just what happens when they get ready to shut it down and live up to all agreed to contracts.

But why let a little thing like facts get in the way of Faux Rage

Thats exactly why there is waste. Unions and government collude to cheat the hard working taxpayer. This is either a government problem, or a union problem, or BOTH.

 

[rudder]

Yet another BS thread from Hacp who would have thought. Here is the REST OF THE STORY...

The state signed a contract that they give employees 1 year notice. Many people have been moved out of the facility, to close it down, but since contract makes them staff it for 1 year they have to be paid for the year even if no one was there.
So this is not the norm, just what happens when they get ready to shut it down and live up to all agreed to contracts.

But why let a little thing like facts get in the way of Faux Rage

Is this thread not about inept Government? Why the government of New York would agree to such a contract with a union is beyond me. According to the article it is not just this one site that has a whacked out employee to inmate ratio. But hey it's only taxpayer money right?

 

[Tristicus]

Yeah HACP got pwned alright LoLOLOLol

 

[heyheybooboo]

Yet another BS thread from Hacp who would have thought. Here is the REST OF THE STORY...

The state signed a contract that they give employees 1 year notice. Many people have been moved out of the facility, to close it down, but since contract makes them staff it for 1 year they have to be paid for the year even if no one was there.
So this is not the norm, just what happens when they get ready to shut it down and live up to all agreed to contracts.

But why let a little thing like facts get in the way of Faux Rage

They didn't feel the need to follow the link to The Lost Boys of Tryon --- all they could derive from the OP's article is that this place was once "...for troubled kids ..."

They could have learned that Tryon once housed 325 boys (didn't say how many girls) and that is was turned into the rough equivalent of a maximum-security prison for juvies (thanks to George Pataki getting 'tough on crime') before the federal DoJ threatened to take it over a few years ago.

Or they could have found out that nearly all of the 'troubled kids' were abused, mentally ill (having spent time in psychiatric hospitals in the past), and the "...vast majority of the boys at Tryon are on psychotropic meds..."

Apparently, Tryon is so bad that Mayor Bloomberg doesn't want to send any more 'troubled kids' up there any more and NYC is establishing their own facilities (which appear to be reducing the rate of recidivism by more than 50%) ---- Tryon is supposed to close before the end of the year.

That doesn't excuse the staffing for the next 7 months before they close, but does help someone understand the stupidity behind over-medicating mentally-ill and abused children, and warehousing them like hard-core criminals in maximum-security prisons.

Ask 'Tough on Crime' George Pataki how that worked 15 years after-the-fact ...




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[soulcougher73]

ROFL. Faux Outrage is the best.

 

[JockoJohnson]

You can vote, but instead you go with the faux outrage about the faux outrage over the faux outrage.

Of course I could vote. But one informed vote cannot possibly counter hundreds of uninformed votes.

 

[JSt0rm]

Of course I could vote. But one informed vote cannot possibly counter hundreds of uninformed votes.

yes. Its best to just not vote...

 

[Throckmorton]

Let me get this straight. When the government wants to cut a weapons boondoggle, you Republicans complain that they're destroying jobs and de-stimulating. When too many people are working at a juvenile detention center, you complain about government waste.

Do you only favor boondoggles when they funnel money to private industry?

 

[Hacp]

They didn't feel the need to follow the link to The Lost Boys of Tryon --- all they could derive from the OP's article is that this place was once "...for troubled kids ..."

They could have learned that Tryon once housed 325 boys (didn't say how many girls) and that is was turned into the rough equivalent of a maximum-security prison for juvies (thanks to George Pataki getting 'tough on crime') before the federal DoJ threatened to take it over a few years ago.

Or they could have found out that nearly all of the 'troubled kids' were abused, mentally ill (having spent time in psychiatric hospitals in the past), and the "...vast majority of the boys at Tryon are on psychotropic meds..."

Apparently, Tryon is so bad that Mayor Bloomberg doesn't want to send any more 'troubled kids' up there any more and NYC is establishing their own facilities (which appear to be reducing the rate of recidivism by more than 50%) ---- Tryon is supposed to close before the end of the year.

That doesn't excuse the staffing for the next 7 months before they close, but does help someone understand the stupidity behind over-medicating mentally-ill and abused children, and warehousing them like hard-core criminals in maximum-security prisons.

Ask 'Tough on Crime' George Pataki how that worked 15 years after-the-fact ...




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Again, government inefficiency at its best. You can't close down a failing plant without paying a whole year's extra salary to union members.

 

[Jaskalas]

So there is faux outrage over the faux outrage in this thread. I agree about them honoring the contract and that this happens in private industry as well. However, I can choose to not buy the product of a company so stupid as to setup inefficient contracts. I can't choose to not pay taxes to these fucking morons in the government.

We have a winner! :thumbsup::thumbsup:

 

[Steeplerot]

 

[dali71]

I thought that gif was funnier when it was used against you in an older thread: http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2078138

 

[DucatiMonster696]

And yet when one offers the solution of "cut spending", the answer comes back "where". This is your answer.

Actually the answer comes back from the democrats that a person proposing such cuts is: a racist, a fascist, anti-middle class, tea-bagger etc.

 

[werepossum]

They didn't feel the need to follow the link to The Lost Boys of Tryon --- all they could derive from the OP's article is that this place was once "...for troubled kids ..."

They could have learned that Tryon once housed 325 boys (didn't say how many girls) and that is was turned into the rough equivalent of a maximum-security prison for juvies (thanks to George Pataki getting 'tough on crime') before the federal DoJ threatened to take it over a few years ago.

Or they could have found out that nearly all of the 'troubled kids' were abused, mentally ill (having spent time in psychiatric hospitals in the past), and the "...vast majority of the boys at Tryon are on psychotropic meds..."

Apparently, Tryon is so bad that Mayor Bloomberg doesn't want to send any more 'troubled kids' up there any more and NYC is establishing their own facilities (which appear to be reducing the rate of recidivism by more than 50%) ---- Tryon is supposed to close before the end of the year.

That doesn't excuse the staffing for the next 7 months before they close, but does help someone understand the stupidity behind over-medicating mentally-ill and abused children, and warehousing them like hard-core criminals in maximum-security prisons.

Ask 'Tough on Crime' George Pataki how that worked 15 years after-the-fact ...




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There's an old joke that has two liberal therapists walking through a park when they come upon a young woman who has been gang raped, beaten unconscious, and left for dead. They shake their heads and as they walk on by say "Whomever did this really needs help."

I like your version of it too though.