Government and computer manufacturers installing keyloggers onto all new computers?

[KDOG]

Can anyone find another source to verify or corraborate? The website its on may give some people pause as to the credibilty of the story, but it sure wouldn't surprise me.....

 

[jackschmittusa]

Absolute BS.

 

[heyheybooboo]

Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
Absolute BS.

I agree.

The problem is 12.47% (or, whatever) of the good ol' USA doesn't see it as such.

" A lie will go round the world while truth is pulling its boots on. "

 

[Cogman]

sigh. "Im an EE by trade" Yeah, right, then you would know that interfacing with a network card isn't as simple as running a cable from the keyboard to the nic :disgust:

 

[Modelworks]

It is a well known security measure in environments that use sensitive information. The devices are installed at the factory at the purchasers request . They can be enabled remotely with the proper key. It is usually done on corporate computers as a way to track a users use of the pc. If the user attempts to remove the device there is a factory installed switch that triggers when the seal to the case is broken that cannot be reset without the proper password, so they know it has been tampered with. It is just another device that can be installed, nothing new. People also install lowjacks in laptops but that doesn't mean they are trying to tack everywhere the user goes.

Nothing government about it. The private sector is behind it.

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: KDOG
Can anyone find another source to verify or corraborate? The website its on may give some people pause as to the credibilty of the story, but it sure wouldn't surprise me.....

http://www.dansdata.com/keyghost.htm

 

[PottedMeat]

Originally posted by: Cogman
sigh. "Im an EE by trade" Yeah, right, then you would know that interfacing with a network card isn't as simple as running a cable from the keyboard to the nic :disgust:

He even used the pictures from Dan's Data.

Oh it's word for word from snopes:

http://www.snopes.com/computer/internet/dellbug.asp


These conspiracy people should really try harder.

Besides why do it sloppy like that when they could work with NI chip vendors and integrate the functions they want.

 

[PELarson]

Originally posted by: KDOG
Can anyone find another source to verify or corraborate? The website its on may give some people pause as to the credibilty of the story, but it sure wouldn't surprise me.....

And in other news the U.S. Goverment has created a 100 yottabytes Data Warehouse which they expect to fill in less than 1 year but won't say with what data!

Hmmmmm.... maybe not so incredible.<snark>.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Modelworks
It is a well known security measure in environments that use sensitive information. The devices are installed at the factory at the purchasers request . They can be enabled remotely with the proper key. It is usually done on corporate computers as a way to track a users use of the pc. If the user attempts to remove the device there is a factory installed switch that triggers when the seal to the case is broken that cannot be reset without the proper password, so they know it has been tampered with. It is just another device that can be installed, nothing new. People also install lowjacks in laptops but that doesn't mean they are trying to tack everywhere the user goes.

Nothing government about it. The private sector is behind it.

you really are a mis-information machine aren`t you?
Spewing out falsehood like there is no tomorrow!!

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Modelworks
It is a well known security measure in environments that use sensitive information. The devices are installed at the factory at the purchasers request . They can be enabled remotely with the proper key. It is usually done on corporate computers as a way to track a users use of the pc. If the user attempts to remove the device there is a factory installed switch that triggers when the seal to the case is broken that cannot be reset without the proper password, so they know it has been tampered with. It is just another device that can be installed, nothing new. People also install lowjacks in laptops but that doesn't mean they are trying to tack everywhere the user goes.

Nothing government about it. The private sector is behind it.

you really are a mis-information machine aren`t you?
Spewing out falsehood like there is no tomorrow!!

What is false about what I said. If you had ever worked in secure or classified areas you would know that key loggers and other measures are common practice. Nothing covert or suspicious about it.

 

[KDOG]

Well I'm certainly happy to hear that its bunk. Besides if WAS true, citizens across the political spectrum could make it completely useless by deliberatley opening up Word, etc and typing all sorts of useless false crap to mess with the gummint....

 

[fallout man]

Originally posted by: KDOG
Well I'm certainly happy to hear that its bunk. Besides if WAS true, citizens across the political spectrum could make it completely useless by deliberatley opening up Word, etc and typing all sorts of useless false crap to mess with the gummint....

I've been trying to do that here from the start!

 

[First]

It's illegal and extremely, ridiculously easy to disable. So no, it would be stupid.

 

[SpunkyJones]

Originally posted by: First
It's illegal and extremely, ridiculously easy to disable. So no, it would be stupid.

So your saying the goverment is doing it?

 

[manowar821]

Have you guys so quickly forgotten about the DOHS setting up piggy-back sealed rooms in the data centers of large ISPs?

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Modelworks
It is a well known security measure in environments that use sensitive information. The devices are installed at the factory at the purchasers request . They can be enabled remotely with the proper key. It is usually done on corporate computers as a way to track a users use of the pc. If the user attempts to remove the device there is a factory installed switch that triggers when the seal to the case is broken that cannot be reset without the proper password, so they know it has been tampered with. It is just another device that can be installed, nothing new. People also install lowjacks in laptops but that doesn't mean they are trying to tack everywhere the user goes.

Nothing government about it. The private sector is behind it.

you really are a mis-information machine aren`t you?
Spewing out falsehood like there is no tomorrow!!

What is false about what I said. If you had ever worked in secure or classified areas you would know that key loggers and other measures are common practice. Nothing covert or suspicious about it.

I have worked in classified areas and you are totally out of your league with your assertions!

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Modelworks
It is a well known security measure in environments that use sensitive information. The devices are installed at the factory at the purchasers request . They can be enabled remotely with the proper key. It is usually done on corporate computers as a way to track a users use of the pc. If the user attempts to remove the device there is a factory installed switch that triggers when the seal to the case is broken that cannot be reset without the proper password, so they know it has been tampered with. It is just another device that can be installed, nothing new. People also install lowjacks in laptops but that doesn't mean they are trying to tack everywhere the user goes.

Nothing government about it. The private sector is behind it.

you really are a mis-information machine aren`t you?
Spewing out falsehood like there is no tomorrow!!

What is false about what I said. If you had ever worked in secure or classified areas you would know that key loggers and other measures are common practice. Nothing covert or suspicious about it.

I have worked in classified areas and you are totally out of your league with your assertions!

What assertions ? That the private sector pays for security devices to be put into their equipment. Of course they do. How do you think the companies that sell the devices stay in business ? donations ?

 

[Skitzer]

I know it's true because I had to disable mine yesterday ........ it kept causing You Tube to lock up my computer and Yahoo Messenger kept connecting me to Government sites!

 

[piasabird]

I build my own computers. However, laptops are not very user friendly and most people can not build their own. I would consider this somewhat suspect, and I find it mildly difficult to beleive homeland security requires this for every laptop sold in the USA. Just call me a doubting thomas.

On the other Hand . . . .
With all the integrated networking devices we see today, this could be done without people even knowing it. How do you know your integrated network device is not spying on you?

Very interesting article.

Just because you see it on the Internet it does not make it true.

This is from someone who runs one of those wierd websites that believes in every conspiracy known to man. It is very interesting.

 

[jackschmittusa]

piasabird

The article is made up. The guy even stole the pictures. That makes him a dirtbag IMHO. Scum of the Earth lying asshole.

I am getting pretty sick of radical right-wing jerks making shit up and the idiots that believe them are no better.

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: piasabird
I build my own computers. However, laptops are not very user friendly and most people can not build their own. I would consider this somewhat suspect, and I find it mildly difficult to beleive homeland security requires this for every laptop sold in the USA. Just call me a doubting thomas.

On the other Hand . . . .
With all the integrated networking devices we see today, this could be done without people even knowing it. How do you know your integrated network device is not spying on you?

Very interesting article.

Just because you see it on the Internet it does not make it true.

This is from someone who runs one of those wierd websites that believes in every conspiracy known to man. It is very interesting.

I don't know of any manufacturers that do it without the purchasers knowledge. I do know that laptop manufacturers make versions of laptops with keyloggers installed, but those go to corporations that have security policies in place. They also make laptops that have integrated modems for cell connections that when flagged as stolen activate a gps receiver that sends the location back to the owner.

There are also cards that can be installed in desktop pc that do the same thing, again for corporations that monitor employees.

Nobody is doing it covertly though like the article suggest.

HP started making it available this year in software form though for corporations.

That is the reason in high security areas there are no access to ports on the pc, you get a keyboard, mouse and monitor. To keep people from installing keyloggers or removing the ones that are already in place.


Lot of companies sell the hardware:
http://www.keelog.com/
http://www.keydevil.com/
http://keyllama.com/
http://www.brickhousesecurity....ardware-keylogger.html