Goverment turning spy agencies on leakers

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Kadarin

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Yep. Whoever leaked this information was a hero, but if the Obama administration finds them, they'll get the full Bradley Manning treatment or worse.
 

colonelciller

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The God Father does not tolerate disobedience.

The point of crucifying leakers is that others will be terrified to follow in their footsteps. So far Obama's crucifixion policy is doing well in scaring the shit out of people. Anyone who leaks stuff like this has got to be insane or ignorant...

still, kudos to them.
 

ivwshane

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Yep. Whoever leaked this information was a hero, but if the Obama administration finds them, they'll get the full Bradley Manning treatment or worse.

Wait, is manning a hero to the right or someone that needs to hang for treason?

Does the right want leaks investigated or not? It's hard to follow their flip flopping.
 

DCal430

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I wonder if anyone here will contribute to the defense of leaker. I doubt it.
 

colonelciller

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Wait, is manning a hero to the right or someone that needs to hang for treason?

Does the right want leaks investigated or not? It's hard to follow their flip flopping.

again, the attempt to inflame by creating a "democrat vs republican" poo-throwing contest is not helping.

It is possible to have meaningful discussion without getting bogged down in that "us vs. them" brainwashing.
 
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The person who leaked this out is an American patriot but don't be surprised if Obama treats him like Bradley Manning. This guy is a hero for what he did because the government was violating the 4th Amendment.
 

Fern

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Wait, is manning a hero to the right or someone that needs to hang for treason?

Does the right want leaks investigated or not? It's hard to follow their flip flopping.

Manning is not a whistle blower. He just did a massive data dump out of spite or some emotional problem. Had he combed through the data and selectively leaked certain info it could be a different matter. Indiscriminate leaking that jeopardizes people's lives for no good reason is not admirable in any way and it should not be protected etc.

Manning is a unique case IMO.

I'm a conservative and, in general, support investigating leaks. But there must be some reason, like a national security risk, to investigate a leak.

1. Leaking SEAL Team's info? That didn't happen even though SEAL Team 6 seems to have claimed it put them at risk. Why wasn't this investigated?

2. The AP "leak". How the h3ll does this risk national security? They published the story one day before the WH was going to publish anyway. If the WH was going to publish it what's the deal here?

3. Rosen's leak, I'd like to see an explanation of the exact concern here.

4. Re: PRISM, heck for years everyone's known that terrorist are very much aware that cellphones and emails etc are monitored (AQ lives in caves and uses runners to pass handwritten notes etc.). I'd like an explanation of how this alerts them 'even more'.

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Edit: Forgot to add that I've seen at least 2 former NSA officials who are now whistle blowers and from their remarks it sounds like we're still not getting the full story. The said Obama's claim that we weren't keeping/storing Americans' info is BS. We do, and have been for a long time, including unencrypted emails which means anybody in the govt/NSA can read those things. Also said that govt doesn't do this without the company's knowledge, in fact the govt pays the companies for this info. So, somebody's lying:

Some of the companies denied that the NSA and FBI had "direct access" to their central servers, as the Post reported.

On Friday, for example, Facebook founder and Chief Executive Mark Zuckerberg said his company "is not and has never been part of any program to give the U.S. or any other government direct access to our servers.

The former NSA explained some tech stuff over my head about why the companies' cooperation is necessary; since I didn't understand it I can't recount it here.

We'll see. If there's more to this it'll likely come out.

Fern
 
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ivwshane

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Manning is not a whistle blower. He just did a massive data dump out of spite or some emotional problem. Had he combed through the data and selectively leaked certain info it could be a different matter. Indiscriminate leaking that jeopardizes people's lives for no good reason is not admirable in any way and it should not be protected etc.

Manning is a unique case IMO.

I'm a conservative and, in general, support investigating leaks. But there must be some reason, like a national security risk, to investigate a leak.

1. Leaking SEAL Team's info? That didn't happen even though SEAL Team 6 seems to have claimed it put them at risk. Why wasn't this investigated?

2. The AP "leak". How the h3ll does this risk national security? They published the story one day before the WH was going to publish anyway. If the WH was going to publish it what's the deal here?

3. Rosen's leak, I'd like to see an explanation of the exact concern here.

4. Re: PRISM, heck for years everyone's known that terrorist are very much aware that cellphones and emails etc are monitored (AQ lives in caves and uses runners to pass handwritten notes etc.). I'd like an explanation of how this alerts them 'even more'.

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Edit: Forgot to add that I've seen at least 2 former NSA officials who are now whistle blowers and from their remarks it sounds like we're still not getting the full story. The said Obama's claim that we weren't keeping/storing Americans' info is BS. We do, and have been for a long time, including unencrypted emails which means anybody in the govt/NSA can read those things. Also said that govt doesn't do this without the company's knowledge, in fact the govt pays the companies for this info. So, somebody's lying:



The former NSA explained some tech stuff over my head about why the companies' cooperation is necessary; since I didn't understand it I can't recount it here.

We'll see. If there's more to this it'll likely come out.

Fern


Goal post successfully moved. Manning is not a hero because it didn't contain any info you had a problem with.

http://mobile.slate.com/blogs/futur..._wikileaks_documents_on_iraq_afghanistan.html


Just once I wish you guys would be consistent. Just fucking once!
 
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